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codola said:
You have also claimed that you do not know what clubs spend on players, but in your latest reply you now remember way back to 1994 and know what players from other clubs were on - Too many beers when working at CUB has pickled your memory perhaps???
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I wouldnt have the foggiest what clubs spend on players today and I only know what some Ainslie boys told me all those years ago and there is no such thing as to many beers!!
 
A Bit High said:
I wouldnt have the foggiest what clubs spend on players today and I only know what some Ainslie boys told me all those years ago and there is no such thing as to many beers!!
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ABH at last you have said something that I agree with!!
Tuggers will be torn a new one against Belconnen this week, Eastlake over Ainslie in a close one, and Im afraid the Tigers might struggle up in Sydney. Anyone know if they have brought in any new blood for this game?
 
A Bit High said:
I wouldnt have the foggiest what clubs spend on players today and I only know what some Ainslie boys told me all those years ago and there is no such thing as to many beers!!
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Hang on ABH. I have seen you at many nightclubs in the past with too many beers and its not a good site !!!! And for you not too know what players recieve as a match payment is bullshit otherwise you wouldnt refer to it - and dont say you havnt . Just look at past threads.

Results this weekend will be Magpies by 10 goals in the wet over Tuggers who cant wait for the season to end. Ainslie aint that good - Demons by 10 points and the Swans will hammer a lackluster Tigers group who couldnt give a rats-ass now there season is doomed.
 

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Hang on ABH. I have seen you at many nightclubs in the past with too many beers and its not a good site !!!! And for you not too know what players recieve as a match payment is bullshit otherwise you wouldnt refer to it - and dont say you havnt . Just look at past threads.

Results this weekend will be Magpies by 10 goals in the wet over Tuggers who cant wait for the season to end. Ainslie aint that good - Demons by 10 points and the Swans will hammer a lackluster Tigers group who couldnt give a rats-ass now there season is doomed.
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I think you have 1 out of 2 there FIM; Ainslie ARE the real deal (it kills me to say that but I think its true); as for the Tiges, we know we have under performed this year in the seniors and there are no excuses. We just didn't play our best often enough but we know our best is good enough to beat any side in the comp. The last 2 rounds of the season will see the Tigers come out with some pride and make it difficult for those above us to gain momentum going into the finals. With any luck Tuggers can do the same and give Eastlake a touch up in the last round like they did in the first!:D

As for ABH... well, he's not the greatest looking bloke at the best of times (not that I'm an oil painting) but I actually think he looks better after a few too many!:D:D
 
Codola, FIM - Lets cut to the chase. Is the constant negativity towards me a Qbn thing or is it personal, as it seems your both quick to try and cut me down for everything that I post.

Now, you haven't the courage to PM me who you are so maybe you will answer the above question honestly from the safety of the keyboard:)

And FIM I have stated in the past that I believe some players get more than they probably deserve (fair play to them) and this is an assumption of mine because I can say without hesitation that I do not know what players get paid and thats all I am going to say on this subject!

I have also stated that my attitude has changed since the birth of my son :thumbsu: so things that I may have said in past posts may not necessarily be my opinion today. Its amazing how they change your views on things.
 
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You are wrong !!! the only club the Tigers spend more than is Tuggers. Rest assured the Tigers have loyal and dedicated group of players who committ themselves to the club year in year out. Yep, there are a number of well paid credentialed players - as with any club - but your comments are way off the mark.
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you cant be serious that you think QBN only have a bigger budget then tugg and less then other clubs in town? if you believe that you are a crazy. Just off the top of my head i will do some crude maths
Assistant coach full time $55k
Coach/playing $45k
Powell $45k
Jacques D $27k
Kav $27k
Jacques R $25k
Quade $18k
equal $242k in player payments. that is probably 60k above all of Belc player payments for whole list and we haven't even talked about Daniher, williams, dickinson, whatman, or anyone else. Its also approx $20k above eastlake whole player payment of list.
 
Qick Question to all and its something I have thought about all year and am keen for your thoughts.

Is AFL Canberra footy quicker today than it was 10 years ago??

I have watched some tapes from past GF's and my view is that the Belco's and Qbn's of a decade ago played a similar brand of footy to those teams of today. It was hard, fast and simple footy. After all it is still a simple game.

So why do we try and complicate things today??

We have 3 way rotations, blokes needing a rest every 8 or so minutes, sometimes we interchange 2 and 3 blokes at a time. We have a cast of many in coaches boxes. The runner is on the ground more than ever making changes within a minute of a 1/4. We rest our better players after one session on the ball?? Why??

Why do we not leave our better players on the field for as long as possible?? Put them in the forward line to rest and maybe chip in for a goal or 2?? No we take them off the ground for a rest after 8 or so minutes.

Common senerio is an on-baller will be on the ball for about 8 minutes, come to the bench for 8 minutes then finish the last 8 minutes at HFF for arguments sake. Before continueing the merry-go round the next 1/4. All this it seems is known to all involved prior to the start of a match, even if the player is having a blinder.

Whatever happened to the rover or ruck rover resting in the forward or backline when tired and then going back onto the ball when recovered or his partner is tired??

Now I know the usual suspects will say that times have changed so change with them, that Im just a dinasaur, to old for todays football but seriously do we do this because we see the AFL guys doing it??

How often in the AFL do we see a guy kicking a goal and then sprint off to the bench?? WTF is that all about?? If you kick a goal your adrenalin level is so high you cant wait to have another crack at the footy. I hope this doesn't creep into our game.

Now we have 60 - 80+ interchanges per game at AFL level and yes the AFL has got alot quicker but has our standard improved that much that we need to go down the same path??

I believe we have over complicated things to much in Canberra. We have given the players way to many things to consider when playing. Let them do what they do best instead of clock watching knowing that its soon to be their time on the pine.

Its the KISS theory for me. Keep It Simple Stupid!!

Our game in Canberra has not got that much quicker than a decade ago if at all!!

Your thoughts??
 
wonky said:
you cant be serious that you think QBN only have a bigger budget then tugg and less then other clubs in town? if you believe that you are a crazy. Just off the top of my head i will do some crude maths
Assistant coach full time $55k
Coach/playing $45k
Powell $45k
Jacques D $27k
Kav $27k
Jacques R $25k
Quade $18k
equal $242k in player payments. that is probably 60k above all of Belc player payments for whole list and we haven't even talked about Daniher, williams, dickinson, whatman, or anyone else. Its also approx $20k above eastlake whole player payment of list.
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Speculation and assumptions and a waste of time because do you seriously think anyone will come on here and claim that you are correct or publically state what their club pays outside of Tuggers. So why fish where you no you wont catch anything??
 
Regarding ABH's comments about the modern game, and I admit that I'm no expert, and still a new student to the game, I have to agree with the rotations comments. From the sideline I'm often watching (and photographing) one of the many good on-ballers in our comp simply tearing the opposition in half, only to find that their few minutes is up and it's time for a rest.

I often wonder how much energy is wasted in remembering who's rotating with who and where, rather than getting on with it, and maybe putting your hand up when you truly do need a break.

Just my observation from behind the lens.

Cheers
 
ABH The game today is no quicker then ten years ago and dosnt need to be more stratigic for me the problem lays with the vics and there attitude toward the game What i mean is simply we have current coaches who adapt ,follow certain succesful teams in what they deem the preimer leauge they get to point were if they dont reach the succes of others then they go back and disect what has been working amonst the elite and then try to force on there team in hope of the glory day in september.With bigger money comes added pressure of results the vic teams get somewhat guided by the health proffesion and in keeping with that determine that those in the thick of battle can only survive on short bursts and generally that is the seven or eight minutes you mention.What they fail to allow for is the comments you make on adrenalin and the mindset of the player who is rested in the pocket and not on the pine.In my day and i was a rover we would rotate through the pockets it worked fine for us.There is a side in the divs that do that very procees today they are undeafeted and average winning margain is 86 points with mid fielders responsable for multiple goals.Before any one seys its only divs im just using that to back up my thoughts that todays coaches ,doctors.trainers and a like over think over analise and under interrept todays players,Every body wants to win but every body wants to play too.Keep the medico,s out rest in the pockets and win more games Thats my thoughts for what its worth.
 
A Bit High said:
Qick Question to all and its something I have thought about all year and am keen for your thoughts.

Is AFL Canberra footy quicker today than it was 10 years ago??

I have watched some tapes from past GF's and my view is that the Belco's and Qbn's of a decade ago played a similar brand of footy to those teams of today. It was hard, fast and simple footy. After all it is still a simple game.

So why do we try and complicate things today??

We have 3 way rotations, blokes needing a rest every 8 or so minutes, sometimes we interchange 2 and 3 blokes at a time. We have a cast of many in coaches boxes. The runner is on the ground more than ever making changes within a minute of a 1/4. We rest our better players after one session on the ball?? Why??

Why do we not leave our better players on the field for as long as possible?? Put them in the forward line to rest and maybe chip in for a goal or 2?? No we take them off the ground for a rest after 8 or so minutes.

Common senerio is an on-baller will be on the ball for about 8 minutes, come to the bench for 8 minutes then finish the last 8 minutes at HFF for arguments sake. Before continueing the merry-go round the next 1/4. All this it seems is known to all involved prior to the start of a match, even if the player is having a blinder.

Whatever happened to the rover or ruck rover resting in the forward or backline when tired and then going back onto the ball when recovered or his partner is tired??

Now I know the usual suspects will say that times have changed so change with them, that Im just a dinasaur, to old for todays football but seriously do we do this because we see the AFL guys doing it??

How often in the AFL do we see a guy kicking a goal and then sprint off to the bench?? WTF is that all about?? If you kick a goal your adrenalin level is so high you cant wait to have another crack at the footy. I hope this doesn't creep into our game.

Now we have 60 - 80+ interchanges per game at AFL level and yes the AFL has got alot quicker but has our standard improved that much that we need to go down the same path??

I believe we have over complicated things to much in Canberra. We have given the players way to many things to consider when playing. Let them do what they do best instead of clock watching knowing that its soon to be their time on the pine.

Its the KISS theory for me. Keep It Simple Stupid!!

Our game in Canberra has not got that much quicker than a decade ago if at all!!

Your thoughts??
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Bloody hell ABH. Thats a fantastic summery of local footy and the problems associated with trying to keep up with the big boys down south. Agree totally. Its a simple game made difficult by over zealous coaches. Maybe some are trying to get to the big time and using the local league to do so. Not working lads. You are destined for the scrap heap.
 
Can anyone please tell me why AFL Canberra Clubs cannot put all the scores (quarter by quarter) for all grades into the Canberra Times. Today is a typical example. The Eastlake / Ainslie score for 1st grade only plus it is the final score. No 1/4 BY 1/4 info. No other grades mentioned. Obviously whoever is responsible doesnt think much of their lower grades - or is it a Cbr Times issue.

The only Club that seems to be able to get it right (hate to say it) is Qnbo. Even the District Clubs can do it but not our senior grade clubs. Yet another thing the League needs to correct for next year. Why not start now !!
 

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A Bit High said:
Qick Question to all and its something I have thought about all year and am keen for your thoughts.

Is AFL Canberra footy quicker today than it was 10 years ago??

I have watched some tapes from past GF's and my view is that the Belco's and Qbn's of a decade ago played a similar brand of footy to those teams of today. It was hard, fast and simple footy. After all it is still a simple game.

So why do we try and complicate things today??

We have 3 way rotations, blokes needing a rest every 8 or so minutes, sometimes we interchange 2 and 3 blokes at a time. We have a cast of many in coaches boxes. The runner is on the ground more than ever making changes within a minute of a 1/4. We rest our better players after one session on the ball?? Why??

Why do we not leave our better players on the field for as long as possible?? Put them in the forward line to rest and maybe chip in for a goal or 2?? No we take them off the ground for a rest after 8 or so minutes.

Common senerio is an on-baller will be on the ball for about 8 minutes, come to the bench for 8 minutes then finish the last 8 minutes at HFF for arguments sake. Before continueing the merry-go round the next 1/4. All this it seems is known to all involved prior to the start of a match, even if the player is having a blinder.

Whatever happened to the rover or ruck rover resting in the forward or backline when tired and then going back onto the ball when recovered or his partner is tired??

Now I know the usual suspects will say that times have changed so change with them, that Im just a dinasaur, to old for todays football but seriously do we do this because we see the AFL guys doing it??

How often in the AFL do we see a guy kicking a goal and then sprint off to the bench?? WTF is that all about?? If you kick a goal your adrenalin level is so high you cant wait to have another crack at the footy. I hope this doesn't creep into our game.

Now we have 60 - 80+ interchanges per game at AFL level and yes the AFL has got alot quicker but has our standard improved that much that we need to go down the same path??

I believe we have over complicated things to much in Canberra. We have given the players way to many things to consider when playing. Let them do what they do best instead of clock watching knowing that its soon to be their time on the pine.

Its the KISS theory for me. Keep It Simple Stupid!!

Our game in Canberra has not got that much quicker than a decade ago if at all!!

Your thoughts??
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Well said ABH. Couldnt agree more and the sooner clubs pull their coaches into gear and stop it, the better the comp will be.
 
Foot In Mouth said:
Can anyone please tell me why AFL Canberra Clubs cannot put all the scores (quarter by quarter) for all grades into the Canberra Times. Today is a typical example. The Eastlake / Ainslie score for 1st grade only plus it is the final score. No 1/4 BY 1/4 info. No other grades mentioned. Obviously whoever is responsible doesnt think much of their lower grades - or is it a Cbr Times issue.

The only Club that seems to be able to get it right (hate to say it) is Qnbo. Even the District Clubs can do it but not our senior grade clubs. Yet another thing the League needs to correct for next year. Why not start now !!
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Its because we have to buy into this sporting pulse website to submit details. we have to plug the scores into it, and it is supposed to send to papers that matter. e.g. Canberra Times, Herald Sun etc. the only issue is that we submit at 5pm on a sat and they dont register. Also i know that the C.T. own interface had issues last year that are still un resolved, registering the information that Sporting pulse provides. its really poor
 
wonky said:
Its because we have to buy into this sporting pulse website to submit details. we have to plug the scores into it, and it is supposed to send to papers that matter. e.g. Canberra Times, Herald Sun etc. the only issue is that we submit at 5pm on a sat and they dont register. Also i know that the C.T. own interface had issues last year that are still un resolved, registering the information that Sporting pulse provides. its really poor
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Im suprised one of the clubs with huge infurstructare hasn,t set up a site and give sporting pulse a run for its money.There is a fortune to be made in publishing correct and up to date information .Clubs spend a great deal of money on everything but information .If you fax the canberra times your results they will print it ,seems the only way of making shore they get it.
 
A Bit High said:
Qick Question to all and its something I have thought about all year and am keen for your thoughts.

Is AFL Canberra footy quicker today than it was 10 years ago??

I have watched some tapes from past GF's and my view is that the Belco's and Qbn's of a decade ago played a similar brand of footy to those teams of today. It was hard, fast and simple footy. After all it is still a simple game.

So why do we try and complicate things today??

We have 3 way rotations, blokes needing a rest every 8 or so minutes, sometimes we interchange 2 and 3 blokes at a time. We have a cast of many in coaches boxes. The runner is on the ground more than ever making changes within a minute of a 1/4. We rest our better players after one session on the ball?? Why??

Why do we not leave our better players on the field for as long as possible?? Put them in the forward line to rest and maybe chip in for a goal or 2?? No we take them off the ground for a rest after 8 or so minutes.

Common senerio is an on-baller will be on the ball for about 8 minutes, come to the bench for 8 minutes then finish the last 8 minutes at HFF for arguments sake. Before continueing the merry-go round the next 1/4. All this it seems is known to all involved prior to the start of a match, even if the player is having a blinder.

Whatever happened to the rover or ruck rover resting in the forward or backline when tired and then going back onto the ball when recovered or his partner is tired??

Now I know the usual suspects will say that times have changed so change with them, that Im just a dinasaur, to old for todays football but seriously do we do this because we see the AFL guys doing it??

How often in the AFL do we see a guy kicking a goal and then sprint off to the bench?? WTF is that all about?? If you kick a goal your adrenalin level is so high you cant wait to have another crack at the footy. I hope this doesn't creep into our game.

Now we have 60 - 80+ interchanges per game at AFL level and yes the AFL has got alot quicker but has our standard improved that much that we need to go down the same path??

I believe we have over complicated things to much in Canberra. We have given the players way to many things to consider when playing. Let them do what they do best instead of clock watching knowing that its soon to be their time on the pine.

Its the KISS theory for me. Keep It Simple Stupid!!

Our game in Canberra has not got that much quicker than a decade ago if at all!!

Your thoughts??
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Your best one yet ABH. I have thought as much for a few years now on rotations in AFL Canberra but have not raised it because I thought it was my age.

Two funny things about it.

1. I notice even the reserves do it now as well??? Come off get a rub while the game is being lost then back on.

2. Why does a star player start on the pine after 1/4.1/2 /3/4 time?? I have seen cases where the star player spent the last 5 of the 2nd quarter on the pine,had 20 off at half time then has another 10 on the pine at the start of the third quarter!! No wonder they are stuffed or not fit,they only play half a game.Why rotate a star player for a star player.Why not star player for average or up and coming player.

The other reason we can't play AFL National style is that when we try to play keepings off and not kicking to contests our skills aren't up to it and we turn it over.
Like to a lot of things the more times you handle it the more chance you have of losing it!!

The footy at the Country Championships was like the footy pre rotations and keepings off. Plenty of running and kicking to contests. Not just the ACT games either but it was the best footy I have seen for a while.
 
southcab said:
Im suprised one of the clubs with huge infurstructare hasn,t set up a site and give sporting pulse a run for its money.There is a fortune to be made in publishing correct and up to date information .Clubs spend a great deal of money on everything but information .If you fax the canberra times your results they will print it ,seems the only way of making shore they get it.[/quote]

Exactly, Queanbeyan email all results. It is the only way to have all results published.
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I heard some QBN boys might be coming back to Ainslie... Not sure how true it is though... And Pete McGrath as well.
 
I dont no anything about qbn boys going back to tricolours i would be very suprised if it happened though.:eek:
What i would bet on is a certain player from the sydney comp with the intials SW is no 1 on the AINSLIE most wanted list . Time will tell (let the games begin).:thumbsu:
 
I heard some QBN boys might be coming back to Ainslie... Not sure how true it is though... And Pete McGrath as well.
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Looks like Ainslie are trying to rule the comp with there money again :mad:
They have the tribunal on there side - can someone tell him how a player can be found GUILTY of head-butting and get a reprimand??? :mad::mad:

Southcab - are you able to expand at all?????
 
southcab said:
See the tri colours have signed rourke untill the end of 2010 Wonder if they can convince neely to stay aswell.
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Not sure coaching contracts mean to much out Ainslie way.....Cloke, Knowles for example.

As for Neely he is loyal to his family but not to his football clubs. He goes where the money is, hence only signing 1 year contracts
 
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