AFL players probed over fight

[Palmer Stoat]

By your kind I meant Collingwood supporters.

And I dont recall making any accusations whatsoever in this thread, and you have the gall to call me a dullard


Perhaps you've confused me with someone else in your frenzied and desperate defence of a dog act.

So you didn't accuse me of being a 'hypocrite'? Are you sure?

Yes, dullard.

 

[The Dice Man]

So you didn't accuse me of being a 'hypocrite'? Are you sure?

Oh Im very sure. It was an observation, not an accusation.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Oh Im very sure. It was an observation, not an accusation.

Dice Man, meet Split Hair.

 

[statsman74]

Didn't Collingwood punish Morrison before he pleaed guilty in court?

If they are charged with a serious offence what would you expect your club to do?

Depending on the extent of the charges, if they are charged and found guilty, then I would expect a punishment from the club varying from suspension to termination.

But again, to restate my point, they are guilty of nothing yet.

I see another posted said they had admitted to something. What? That they were involved? What are the circumstances? Are there mitigating circumstances?

No-one can answer these questions yet.

 

[eros]

I know it goes against any semblance of big footy culture, but is it at all possiblt to have a discussion about this? After all, there would not be a club in the league that hasn't dealt with this in some form or another. Each AFL franchise is just one huge glass house with a number of chunky stones around it waiting to be thrown...

Collingwood fans, given that it appears the payers involved have 'fessed up to their involvement, what do you think should happen between now and when they appear in court?

 

[statsman74]

I know it goes against any semblance of big footy culture, but is it at all possiblt to have a discussion about this? After all, there would not be a club in the league that hasn't dealt with this in some form or another. Each AFL franchise is just one huge glass house with a number of chunky stones around it waiting to be thrown...

Collingwood fans, given that it appears the payers involved have 'fessed up to their involvement, what do you think should happen between now and when they appear in court?

I dont know what they have admitted to yet, but I would expect that they arent guilty of anything more than breaking team curfew until the court date comes and goes.

So until then, they should be punished for breaking team curfew.

If in court they are found guilty of the other issues (whatever the exact charges are), then punishments varying from suspension to termination depending on the severity of what they are found guilty of.

 

[Qsaint]

What's been said on SEN?

just on sen then...both are expected to face court and will be facing jail terms if convicted...up to 5 years max go roos!

ANd wait for the ambulance chasers to fleece them as well

 

[Palmer Stoat]

I know it goes against any semblance of big footy culture, but is it at all possiblt to have a discussion about this? After all, there would not be a club in the league that hasn't dealt with this in some form or another. Each AFL franchise is just one huge glass house with a number of chunky stones around it waiting to be thrown...

Collingwood fans, given that it appears the payers involved have 'fessed up to their involvement, what do you think should happen between now and when they appear in court?

How can you expect anyone to answer this? Who exactly was involved? Who did what? What, if any, provocation was there?

It's premature to speculate on the sentence until we know what happened, and who was responsible.

I hope that Collingwood will wait for the police to complete their investigation, and then make a decision. That's what I'd expect to happen to anyone, whether they played footy for Collingwood or not.

 

[Mutant]

Dear Mick,

In honour of the part you played in our club history, we have decided to allow access to what has been proven to be the best legal team in the country.

Regards

Dalton.

PS. The ox may be slow but your gangsta's are obviously slower our boys don't get caught.

 

[Embers]

Have they been arrested or just questioned and let go?, If someone had to post bail/they have been arrested then surely they wouldnt be allowed to leave the state and hence not be able to play against Adelaide this week.

 

[statsman74]

According to news.com.au....

"It is unclear what role, if any, the pair had in the injuries suffered by the victim."

Also, from MSN.com.au.......

"Collingwood chief executive Greg Swan told reporters the club was "not thrilled" by the events and would not rule out sacking the pair if they were found guilty of their involvement in the incident."

Clearly, the club appears as if it will act accordingly IF AND WHEN they are found guilty. Not before.

 

[Zeke]

Have they been arrested or just questioned and let go?, If someone had to post bail/they have been arrested then surely they wouldnt be allowed to leave the state and hence not be able to play against Adelaide this week.

They have voluntarily provided statements to the police regarding the 'incident'.

No charges have been laid and the club has fined them $5K each for breaking curfew.

That's about it, at this stage.

 

[Qsaint]

Have they been arrested or just questioned and let go?, If someone had to post bail/they have been arrested then surely they wouldnt be allowed to leave the state and hence not be able to play against Adelaide this week.

No charges yet

 

[Qsaint]

They have voluntarily provided statements to the police regarding the 'incident'.

.

That makes it alright then


Every one makes voluntarily statements we don't use torture do we?

 

[Embers]

No charges yet

You would assume charges would be laid over the next few days.

 

[OB1]

just on sen then...both are expected to face court and will be facing jail terms if convicted...up to 5 years max go roos!

Highly doubtful.

Without knowing the specifics I'm not saying they deserve jail time but for far too long footy players (& celebs in general) have been let off lightly by the courts.

 

[Eagle87]

Depending on the extent of the charges, if they are charged and found guilty, then I would expect a punishment from the club varying from suspension to termination.

But again, to restate my point, they are guilty of nothing yet.

I see another posted said they had admitted to something. What? That they were involved? What are the circumstances? Are there mitigating circumstances?

No-one can answer these questions yet.

Going back to my earlier posts, I agree that they are not guilty of anything before the law as yet. However, AFL clubs have issues with brand and "role models" that take certain actions way beyond the mere legal status.

Ben Cousins was punished BEFORE he was guilty before the courts (and even then his guilt was of a minor traffic offence). He was punished because he was stupid and because what he did looked bad. Gardiner similarly was punished before his guilt was proved before a court and even then he was guilty of DUI - most of us would NOT be suspended from employment or risk job loss for that offence!

The reasons for their punishment was in large part that is was a "bad look" for the Eagles.

If the police and the DPP are convinced that there is sufficent evidence to charge them with say assault - a much more serious offence under the law than regulation traffic offences - then surely they must, at least, be stood down until the matters are resolved?

While they are innocent until proven guilty under the law, surely the brand and role model issues would prevent the Pies from playing them?

 

[Gets!]

Will they play on Saturday?

Thats all that worries me.

 

[campbell]

Will they play on Saturday?

Thats all that worries me.

Of course they will.
Watch the spin doctors at the AFL and club go into action.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

I know it goes against any semblance of big footy culture, but is it at all possiblt to have a discussion about this? After all, there would not be a club in the league that hasn't dealt with this in some form or another. Each AFL franchise is just one huge glass house with a number of chunky stones around it waiting to be thrown...

Collingwood fans, given that it appears the payers involved have 'fessed up to their involvement, what do you think should happen between now and when they appear in court?

It is difficult position for the club to act on anything other then the breaking of the curfew, even if the police lay charges against the pair. Recall that the Player's Association pretty much forced the Lion's to forego the $15,0000 suspended fine for Jason Akermanis just a couple of months ago. I imagine that all clubs are now wary of jumping the gun and taking action on something this serious, I know it may well stink of the club protecting the player, but clubs also risk a great deal if they take action and then a player is found not guilty.

For mine the club has to maintain a stance of presuming innocence and not taking action against the players are until the legal process runs its course and I would expect the same from any club. However the club needs to very clear that until the players make public statements regarding their opinion on the exact nature of their "involvement" that the club is taking a "no comment" position not to support or protect the players, but to respect the role of the legal and judicial process.

Once the players indicate what they claim their level of involvement is, then the club will need to determine their public position, but again have to be very careful of taking any action that could affect a player's remuneration or public earning capacity.

So while a softly, softly approach may seem weak and preferential it is, in the end, the correct course of action.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[eros]

How can you expect anyone to answer this? Who exactly was involved? Who did what? What, if any, provocation was there?

It's premature to speculate on the sentence until we know what happened, and who was responsible.

I hope that Collingwood will wait for the police to complete their investigation, and then make a decision. That's what I'd expect to happen to anyone, whether they played footy for Collingwood or not.

Jeez, don't be so defensive!

Statsman74 and Stumpy Peter took deep breaths and did a pretty good job.

 

[Mutant]

Will they play on Saturday?

Thats all that worries me.

You'd be hoping they are! right? No chance of replacements coming in and having an impact. These two will do little damage to the Crows

 

[MarkT]

While they are innocent until proven guilty under the law, surely the brand and role model issues would prevent the Pies from playing them?

The role model issue is a bit more difficult and the AFL might even get involved but the branding issue should be a minor issue IMO. To whatever extent it tarnishes the brand it is temporary and affordable. The primary purpose for administrators and boards at football clubs is winning premierships.

 

[Embers]

Its Collingwood, of course they will play

If it was a Eagles player theyd of been hanged by now.

 

[Qsaint]

You would assume charges would be laid over the next few days.

Apparently there is security tape and police are still looking for other witnesses to tie up any loose ends. Given its high profile you would expect them to be cautious