Game Day AFL Round 3 - Collingwood vs St Kilda Matchday Discussion.

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2016 AFL PREMIERSHIP SEASON
ROUND 3
COLLINGWOOD vs ST KILDA
SATURDAY 9TH APRIL
1.45PM
M.C.G.

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Four seconds, that's all that separated Collingwood from a disappointing start to the 2016 AFL premiership season. Last Friday night at the M.C.G. Brodie Grundy snapped the winning goal to put the Magpies in front with only four seconds left on the clock. If he had missed, dropped the ball or any other eventuality had ensued Collingwood would be near the bottom of the AFL ladder with an 0-2 win/loss record. As it is, the goal went through, the Magpie army went off it's collective nut (that may be an understatement) and Collingwood have a 1-1 record after playing two of the top five placed teams from last season.

That goal, and that win, places the Magpies in a decent position moving forward. This Saturday, the Pies will return to the M.C.G. for a rare Saturday afternoon game against St Kilda. The Saints have started the season on a poor note, losing two games to Port Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs by considerable margins. They sit on the bottom of the AFL ladder and need a win to give their fans some hope for the rest of the year. St Kilda is using this home game at the M.C.G, another rarity, to celebrate their one and only AFL/VFL premiership, the 1966 triumph by one point, over Collingwood of course. They are well within their rights to do that but it really shouldn't have a bearing on the final result.

COLLINGWOOD PREVIEW

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The stunning come from behind win over Richmond really has made a huge difference to this Collingwood outfit going forward. What was really impressive though was the performance of four players in particular. Adam Treloar performed remarkably well considering the pressure that was on him pre game. He chose Collingwood over Richmond during the trade period and he backed it up, with a 32 possession game that included a game high 8 inside 50 deliveries. Treloar was vital in the last few minutes delivering the final inside 50 that eventually led to the Grundy match winning goal. But of course the man that stood out was Alex Fasolo, in a career best performance where the live wire forward booted 6 goals straight, including 2 of the final 3 goals, and 3 goal assists. For Fasolo it was vindication of his request to stay forward more rather than being used as part of the midfield rotation.

Ben Reid returned for only his 10th game in the last 3 seasons and he was immense across half back. The all Australian defender looked back to his best, taking intercept marks and delivering the ball with amazing accuracy over long distances. The fourth player was Jackson Ramsay, who like Reid used the ball well coming out of the backline, while also taking intercept marks. Of course at training during the week came that shattering news that Ramsay had injured his knee in an innocuous tackle early in a session, and he will now miss the rest of the season with an ACL injury.

The Magpies have endured through a tough opening two games of the season and now the draw opens up for them. Over the next 6 weeks the Magpies play what will probably turn out to be the bottom five sides in the competition (with a trip to Perth to play the Eagles also). It starts on Saturday against the bottom placed side. The Magpies came out of that win over the Tigers in a relatively healthy state, there were no new injuries in either the seniors or the VFL on the weekend. Talking of the VFL there are numerous players pushing their case for selection in the seniors with strong recent performances in what have been practice matches for the Magpies reserves team. Matthew Goodyear, Jesse White, Jeremy Howe, Alan Toovey, Tyson Goldsack, Jonathan Marsh and Rupert Wills will all consider themselves a chance of playing on Saturday in the seniors. Also in contention to return is ruckman Jarrod Witts who missed the game last week due to split webbing in his hand. That depth allows coach Nathan Buckley to select a 22 that matches up well based on the opposition. There were 3 players ommitted for this game with Gault, Macaffer and Frost the unlucky ones. Coming in for them, and Ramsay, are Jeremy Howe (club debut), Matthew Goodyear (AFL debut), Tyson Goldsack and Brayden Maynard. This is a game Collingwood will expect to win but they will have to perform better than they have over the first two rounds to be assured of a victory here.


ST KILDA PREVIEW

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St Kilda are a team in transition, trying to climb their way back up the ladder after four seasons of failing to make the finals. Before that recent period the Saints had enjoyed their best finals appearance run in the club's history, as they made it to September 7 out of 8 years leading up to 2011. Two years ago they bottomed out (literally) and last season they finished 14th which may be a sign that the only way is up from here. Their first two games of this new season have been hard to judge. They started the season with what seemed like a decent effort against the highly touted Port Adelaide, and were able to score 100 points in that game despite losing by 33 points. The Saints would have been less enthusiastic about their most recent game though, the 57 point loss on Saturday night to the Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium. It was a disappointing night for the Saints despite Nick Riewoldt celebrating his 300th game milestone. The Saints were never in the game as the rampaging Dogs dominated in all areas. They will have to improve upon that performance or face a third loss in a row to start the season.

If there's one area of the ground that this St Kilda team can match it with most it has to be their midfield. In 2015 the statistical output of the Saints midfield wasn't that impressive with a ranking of 14th for clearances. Straight away though, in only two games, there's been a remarkable difference in this area. The Saints after two rounds have won more clearances than any other team, and while the sample size is small it's a great sign. This central core should be a good clearance team too with the likes of Montagna, Newnes, Savage, Armitage, Steven and Weller all able to win the hard ball. One area that has also improved so far this year is the ruck. Last season the Saints were down in the bottom few for average hitouts (along with the Pies). Tom Hickey has had an impressive start to 2016 though and with 56 hitouts in round 1 versus Port Adelaide he showed he can dominate the less than elite ruckman of the AFL.

It's hard to distinguish which area of the ground is worse for the Saints, their defense or their forward line. Both has a massive reliance on one experienced key position player, with the indomitable Nick Riewoldt in the forward line and the ever reliable Sam Fisher down back. To be fair the backline probably has more experience and talent than the forward line does at the moment, with Dempster, Gilbert, Geary and Roberton at least having plenty of games under their belt. They do struggle to stop the opposition from scoring though with St Kilda rated the worst one on one defensive side in 2015 and allowing scores of 133 and 93 in the first two rounds of 2016. Of course being able to score 100 points in round one was a very positive sign with Lonie, Bruce and Weller joining Riewoldt as those who managed to kick multiple goals. That didn't eventuate in the second game though so it will be interesting to see how both defense and attack works for St Kilda on Saturday.

Pressure is what the Saints do well though, and senior coach Alan Richardson has made no secret of that since he arrived at the club. Last season St Kilda were in the top four in the league for pressure deferential and it's fair to say it had a hand in each of their 6 (and a half) wins in season 2015. That pressure probably hasn't been as good in the first two games although it did show signs at times versus both the Dogs and Port of returning to the levels of last season. To improve though, this St Kilda team needs it's youngsters to start having an impact on games, something that hasn't happened too often recently. But if they can pressure the Collingwood players they may be able to force enough turnovers to be in with a chance late in the game.

TEAMS
St Kilda
B Jarryn Geary, Sam Fisher, Dylan Roberton
HB Jack Newnes, Sean Dempster, Sam Gilbert
C Leigh Montagna, David Armitage, Shane Savage
HF Maverick Weller, Nick Riewoldt, Jack Billings
F Jack Lonie, Josh Bruce, Paddy McCartin
FOL Tom Hickey, Luke Dunstan, Jack Steven
I/C Sebastian Ross, Jimmy Webster, Jack Sinclair, Darren Minchington
EMG Tom Lee, Billy Longer, Tim Membrey
IN
Darren Minchington
OUT
Jade Gresham (Omitted)

Collingwood
B Ben Sinclair, Nathan J. Brown, Tom Langdon
HB Brayden Maynard, Ben Reid, Marley Williams
C James Aish, Adam Treloar, Levi Greenwood
HF Jarryd Blair, Darcy Moore, Jordan De Goey
F Alex Fasolo, Travis Cloke, Jeremy Howe
FOL Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Taylor Adams
I/C Tyson Goldsack, Jack Crisp, Matthew Goodyear, Adam Oxley
EMG Brent Macaffer, Jesse White, Alan Toovey
IN
Brayden Maynard, Jeremy Howe, Tyson Goldsack, Matthew Goodyear
OUT
Brent Macaffer (Omitted), Corey Gault (Omitted), Jackson Ramsay (Knee), Jack Frost (Omitted)
NEW
Jeremy Howe, Matthew Goodyear

TIP

This matchup seems like an easy one to decipher, with Collingwood the likely winners. However, St Kilda have more quarters than the Pies in the first two games (3 against 1) so the Saints aren't without a hope. The other thing in St Kilda's favour is the health of their list, they aren't missing 4-5 of their best 22 like the Magpies are, which evens it out once again. The location though is to Collingwood's advantage, with the Saints losing 4 of their last 5 games at the M.C.G.

Coincidentally the two teams met in round 3 last season, also at the M.C.G. and it was Collingwood who ran away with a commanding 74 point win. I expect this game to be a lot closer than that, especially with the Pies not in top form and with several key players missing. Ultimately though the Magpies should be too good for the Saints on Saturday and extend their unbeaten streak over St Kilda to 10 games.

MAGPIES BY 16 POINTS
 
This is a Interesting Game. Playing the Bottom Side and who only Scored 36pts last week vs the Woof Woof's

Be Interesting how Grundy Responds from having a Poor Game in the Ruck but Kicked the Winning Goal.

Hope Aish has a Better Game. He got the Rising Star Nod vs Saints 2 Years ago in NZ. Hopefully has has as Good of Game and Even Better Game

Moore hopefully have a big game and I say he play sometime in the Ruck.

Be Interesting how Goodyear goes in his Debut.

Will Howe take mark of the Year;)

Treloar another BOG:thumbsu:

I tip Pies by 30pts
 
Saints have no one to run with Treloar. Treloar = BOG.
Pendles to start in the middle
Goodyear to kick a goal and rack up 18 touches.
Howe to kick 3.
Fasolo to kick 2.
Moore to kick 2.
Pies by 21pts.
 

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Ah yes... The eternal losers, the worst team in VFL/AFL history celebrate their very tiny slice of history... What a time to be alive.
 
Saints have no one to run with Treloar. Treloar = BOG.
Pendles to start in the middle
Goodyear to kick a goal and rack up 18 touches.
Howe to kick 3.
Fasolo to kick 2.
Moore to kick 2.
Pies by 21pts.

Agree - They don't gave any Taggers. Jack Stevens is the 1 we have to Stop.

Pendles might start in the Middle but with his Ribs I think he mostly plays Forward or Back. Depends how the Game is going
 
Ah yes... The eternal losers, the worst team in VFL/AFL history celebrate their very tiny slice of history... What a time to be alive.

and They JUST won that Flag
 
Had another look at the Saints board , decided to forget about the worries, they are more toxic about their replacement then we are...We don't need a banter thread, not sure if that is a compliment.
Pies by 7 goals.
Treloar BOG
Howe for MOTY
Cloke for OOBOTFOTY
 
Given how we have played the past two weeks, I don't underestimate the Saints as they have been developing well and have some good young players.
Happy to take another one point win.

Don't think my Heart could take another Close Game.

I hope that the Self-Blief they got from Winnnig vs Bitchmond would make them play better and use the ball better
 
Had another look at the Saints board , decided to forget about the worries, they are more toxic about their replacement then we are...We don't need a banter thread, not sure if that is a compliment.
Pies by 7 goals.
Treloar BOG
Howe for MOTY
Cloke for OOBOTFOTY

Saints fans are Terrible
 

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Had another look at the Saints board , decided to forget about the worries, they are more toxic about their replacement then we are...We don't need a banter thread, not sure if that is a compliment.
Pies by 7 goals.
Treloar BOG
Howe for MOTY
Cloke for OOBOTFOTY

Love the Cloke reference. He might surprise you tomorrow PicaBoo :drunk:
 
if we play like we have been it will be close, st k are a quick team but still rely on to few. need to get on top early
and not give them a sniff, play hard and keep the pressure on for us to win
 
Love the Cloke reference. He might surprise you tomorrow PicaBoo :drunk:
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he score 4 or 5 goals . He does well against them and other minnows. I hope he can take that to the big games.
 
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he score 4 or 5 goals . He does well against them and other minnows. I hope he can take that to the big games.

Needs to Kick Straight
 
Had another look at the Saints board , decided to forget about the worries, they are more toxic about their replacement then we are...We don't need a banter thread, not sure if that is a compliment.
Pies by 7 goals.
Treloar BOG
Howe for MOTY
Cloke for OOBOTFOTY
Out Of Bounds On The Full Of The Year
Like the way you did that
 
Needs to Kick Straight
Depends where they are playing Cloke. Don't mind him playing deep , he should be able to outmuscle his opponent 9 out of 10. And Moore and Howe are both high flyers, we don't miss Cloke for the contested marks on the 50 boundary.
 
Should Fisher go to Cloke we should go through him every chance we get, Fisher is very weak defensively in one on ones and has been done holding a few times already this year.

I expect to win this game and win it easily, St Kilda will harass us all over the park but they have a very weak defensive structure around the contest and when they turn the ball over around half back.

The danger for us is paying them too much respect, like we did in the Melbourne loss last year where we were way too cautious and decided to engage in an arm wrestle against a team that did not deserve that sort of respect.
 
Agree - They don't gave any Taggers. Jack Stevens is the 1 we have to Stop.

Pendles might start in the Middle but with his Ribs I think he mostly plays Forward or Back. Depends how the Game is going

I reckon you've got Pendles role right. He will play forward,back or midfield.
 
Not the One's I have Accounted.

They tell you to Shut Up even before the Game Starts

They have had to watch a fair amount of crap over the years, I reckon they are entitled to be a little cranky sometimes.
 
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