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[blue harvest]

Looking at it, I think we gave up a 2017 2nd round... but were we able to given we'd already used our 2017 1st round?


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That's why we had to bring in the 2nd rounder from Carlton, which was actually from GWS.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Guarantee the Gold Coast caved under pressure from the AFL. There is no way they want restraint of trade tested in the courts. Now to watch Cochrane resign in the off-season.

 

[Hodgey 15]

OMG, He's a gem. Can't wait for 2017. Thank you Hawthorn .

Edit:

I'm straight as a dye but gees he looks sexy in those colours.

 

[compact72]

Poor dopers didn't get their bid through.

 

[PhoenixBonez]

Well done to Hawks.

No seriously. I mean everyone is saying you sold the farm etc. but the management team clearly sought to bring in O'Meara and Tom Mitchell and that's what they got.
Personally I highly rate Tom Mitchell and think you got him for a steal.
O'Meara is slightly speculative given his injury history but when he gets over that and plays footy people will be wishing he elected their club.
Sure you don't have any draft picks until late but any draft pick is speculative. I love the draft but draft picks are severely over-rated by some, it's not hard to find 100 examples of players picked up in the draft at picks you traded away who ended up being duds for various reasons. Not good enough, not committed enough, aren't able to adapt or develop their footy, are just plain drop kicks etc.
Essendon have pick 1 and I'm still nervous who we pick is going to be the next big flop. Sure I have confidence in our recruiters and management team but these are people we're picking up in the draft and people are unpredictable. Mitchell and O'Meara are known guns.

You moved on a couple of legends of the club in Mitchell and Lewis to clubs that they wanted to get to and didn't make any fuss about it. Good on you.
Sure I feel you got low-balled on Lewis who I think has at least a couple years of really good footy left, Deledio is a comparative footballer, only 1 year younger and got a 1st and 3rd without any picks going back the other way but you got the deal done easily enough.
Why is this a semi-good thing? It improves the culture of your club. It means players who come in to Hawthorn know they're going to be looked after, even if they don't want to be there. It shows the club cares about it's players.
Compare that to Gold Coast where any young player who goes there now might feel nervous, scared etc at how the club treats its players like pariahs.

I'm not sure how the Hawks are going to go next year, a lot is going to depend on fitness of a few key players, but that can be said for all 18 clubs.

Peace.

 

[Kuuz]

Posted on main board, but may as well post here too:

1. WINNERS: Dockers

Dockers takes the chocolates for mine. Normally so hard for WA teams to pull players across. But this year it was in reverse. Every player they got regenerates holes in their teams and they got each player for unders. Best yet, they really didn't have to work too hard to get it.

2. CLOSE-SECONDS: Demons, Saints & Richmond

Demons, Saints and arguably Richmond did very well as well. Saints bent my team over a barrel for the pick 10 trade, but to be fair, we bent over willingly

3. HONOURABLE MENTIONS: GWS & Norf

GWS pitched out lower-end talent who realistically, would never make their first team. Brought in Deledio which will make them really, really scary next year if he can get fit.

North swooped on some bargain buys and really were the ones operating in the shadows, picking off players on the edges of teams. Picked up talent with plenty of upside without having to give more than a packet of crisps.

4. THE QUIET ACHIEVERS: WCE & Bombers

Both quietly picked up one or two which bolster their side. Mitchell is a big boost for WCE and will be a real general for them in the mid. Bombers, whilst losing Hibs, pick up a very talented forward in Stewart for nothing more than a firm handshake (I'm jealous - I really rate Stewart and spewing Hawks didn't make a play with our stellar pick 88).

5. GWS MARK TWO: Carlton

They have now 9 ex GWS players. Seriously. SOS, you need help man. I really can't rate their trades at the minute. Marchbank will be pretty good, he just didn't have opportunity. Palmer will be nice for the run and adds experience.

6. BATTERED, BLOODY BUT OKAY: Geelong & Hawks

Hawks & Cats weren't the worst tbh. Geelong feels similar to Hawthorn's trade, but preserved more of its picks: a loss of two experienced players for little to nothing and a loss of a youngster or two with decent experience.

I think getting Tuohy from Carlton really helps a lot though. His drive will be needed off half back now Enright is gone. Good player and trade was about par. The quick snap up of Black is a pretty good like-for-like with Kersten gone.

Offloading Smedts with Tuohy was good business. Arguably allowed the Cats to get back a second round pick. I did not rate Smedts - been stagnating a bit on the list and is quite injury-prone.

7. YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME: Gold Coast, Pies and Brisbane

I'm sorry Pies, but I just do not rate Mayne. Maybe he takes that next leap, but aside from being a decent defensive forward, he's a bit underwhelming. Wells is a good pick up - is definitely an improvement in the mid/forward, but the three year deal at his age, with his history, is a concern. WHE may prove a pick, but again, needs to just get on the park consistently before that.

GCS tried and tried and tried to get players up to their sunny shores, and got Lyon, Witts and Hanley. Hanley is a great pick up, and Lyon will be a good 22 player. Witts could go anywhere. Still, they never landed their desired big name players aside from Hanley and another huge exodus of top players will leave a sour taste in their mouth.

Brissy is similar, but probably comes out ahead a little. Lost Hanley, but held onto Rocky. Picked up Frost and secured other players on contract. It's sort of one step back, one step forward.

8. THE "OH WHOOPS WE FORGOT ABOUT YOU" AWARD: Port

Hey Port. You do realise trade week started last week and ended this week.

Hinkley: "Oh crap, well we better tra...." -- TRADE WINDOW HAS CLOSED, PLEASE COME AGAIN NEXT YEAR --

9. RAIDED BUT NOT FORGOTTEN: Doggies & Swans

I'd be a bit miffed being a Doggies supporter. You win the cup, get the glory and then everyone tries to bugger off to WA. Seriously, it's bizarro AFL this year.

Managed to hold onto Adams before he jumped on a plane, but lost Hamling and Stevens for really a pat on the back. Getting Cloke for cheap adds some good competition for the forward line, but now their backline looks a tad exposed, although still not too bad.

Swans too lost some good depth as their salary squeeze hits the next gear. Got some decent picks in exchange, but need to secure Heeney to a contract or see yet more talent run out the door.

10. ANGRY AND UNHAPPY: Adelaide

Sadly, I think Adelaide lose this one. They didn't get their man in Gibbs, though not through lack of effort and lose a solid youngster in Lyons. Whilst they haven't degenerated like some on this list, including my team in Hawthorn, they were the only team not to land their big target who wanted to come to them. They'll be annoyed, as it would have really made them a contender, and now they look a bit weaker without Lyon.


There's my assessment anyway. Tried to be as little biased as possible. Take or leave my opinion, just figured I'd have a stab at the carnage.

 

[Kuuz]

Jarman has nominated Adelaide.

Where was this? I can't find it anywhere?

 

[WWSD]

If Jake Barrett is de-listed by the Giants, I hope the Hawks select him in the National draft with pick 88.

 

[glenferry23]

After all that huffing and puffing from their idiotic president, we land him for pretty much what we wanted.

All those talk about making a stand. And teaching us a lesson. Pffft.

 

[GoldenHodge]

 

[butlers hawks]

If Jake Barrett is de-listed by the Giants, I hope the Hawks select him in the National draft with pick 88.

If hes delisted Hawks would grab him as a delisted free agent for nothing like when we got Simpkin

 

[The Lemon]

Nah The Lemon is a shit bloke

Shit bloke is a compliment imo

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Posted on main board, but may as well post here too:

1. WINNERS: Dockers

Dockers takes the chocolates for mine. Normally so hard for WA teams to pull players across. But this year it was in reverse. Every player they got regenerates holes in their teams and they got each player for unders. Best yet, they really didn't have to work too hard to get it.

2. CLOSE-SECONDS: Demons, Saints & Richmond

Demons, Saints and arguably Richmond did very well as well. Saints bent my team over a barrel for the pick 10 trade, but to be fair, we bent over willingly

3. HONOURABLE MENTIONS: GWS & Norf

GWS pitched out lower-end talent who realistically, would never make their first team. Brought in Deledio which will make them really, really scary next year if he can get fit.

North swooped on some bargain buys and really were the ones operating in the shadows, picking off players on the edges of teams. Picked up talent with plenty of upside without having to give more than a packet of crisps.

4. THE QUIET ACHIEVERS: WCE & Bombers

Both quietly picked up one or two which bolster their side. Mitchell is a big boost for WCE and will be a real general for them in the mid. Bombers, whilst losing Hibs, pick up a very talented forward in Stewart for nothing more than a firm handshake (I'm jealous - I really rate Stewart and spewing Hawks didn't make a play with our stellar pick 88).

5. GWS MARK TWO: Carlton

They have now 9 ex GWS players. Seriously. SOS, you need help man. I really can't rate their trades at the minute. Marchbank will be pretty good, he just didn't have opportunity. Palmer will be nice for the run and adds experience.

6. BATTERED, BLOODY BUT OKAY: Geelong & Hawks

Hawks & Cats weren't the worst tbh. Geelong feels similar to Hawthorn's trade, but preserved more of its picks: a loss of two experienced players for little to nothing and a loss of a youngster or two with decent experience.

I think getting Tuohy from Carlton really helps a lot though. His drive will be needed off half back now Enright is gone. Good player and trade was about par. The quick snap up of Black is a pretty good like-for-like with Kersten gone.

Offloading Smedts with Tuohy was good business. Arguably allowed the Cats to get back a second round pick. I did not rate Smedts - been stagnating a bit on the list and is quite injury-prone.

7. YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME: Gold Coast, Pies and Brisbane

I'm sorry Pies, but I just do not rate Mayne. Maybe he takes that next leap, but aside from being a decent defensive forward, he's a bit underwhelming. Wells is a good pick up - is definitely an improvement in the mid/forward, but the three year deal at his age, with his history, is a concern. WHE may prove a pick, but again, needs to just get on the park consistently before that.

GCS tried and tried and tried to get players up to their sunny shores, and got Lyon, Witts and Hanley. Hanley is a great pick up, and Lyon will be a good 22 player. Witts could go anywhere. Still, they never landed their desired big name players aside from Hanley and another huge exodus of top players will leave a sour taste in their mouth.

Brissy is similar, but probably comes out ahead a little. Lost Hanley, but held onto Rocky. Picked up Frost and secured other players on contract. It's sort of one step back, one step forward.

8. THE "OH WHOOPS WE FORGOT ABOUT YOU" AWARD: Port

Hey Port. You do realise trade week started last week and ended this week.

Hinkley: "Oh crap, well we better tra...." -- TRADE WINDOW HAS CLOSED, PLEASE COME AGAIN NEXT YEAR --

9. RAIDED BUT NOT FORGOTTEN: Doggies & Swans

I'd be a bit miffed being a Doggies supporter. You win the cup, get the glory and then everyone tries to bugger off to WA. Seriously, it's bizarro AFL this year.

Managed to hold onto Adams before he jumped on a plane, but lost Hamling and Stevens for really a pat on the back. Getting Cloke for cheap adds some good competition for the forward line, but now their backline looks a tad exposed, although still not too bad.

Swans too lost some good depth as their salary squeeze hits the next gear. Got some decent picks in exchange, but need to secure Heeney to a contract or see yet more talent run out the door.

10. ANGRY AND UNHAPPY: Adelaide

Sadly, I think Adelaide lose this one. They didn't get their man in Gibbs, though not through lack of effort and lose a solid youngster in Lyons. Whilst they haven't degenerated like some on this list, including my team in Hawthorn, they were the only team not to land their big target who wanted to come to them. They'll be annoyed, as it would have really made them a contender, and now they look a bit weaker without Lyon.


There's my assessment anyway. Tried to be as little biased as possible. Take or leave my opinion, just figured I'd have a stab at the carnage.

Geelong did far worse than us. Got rid of Bartell - apparently he is not happy about it. For all the talk of us letting Lewis and Mitchell go - the Cats have been ushering their legends out the back door for a few seasons now and everyone hails them as list management gurus. The brought in Tuohy which will add very little for them and they lost Caddy, who was a handy player for them. They also lost draft picks as well. Their list needs are far greater than ours - and their draft positions aren't great now. They also missed their big fish in Deledio while we got both of ours. Geelong did far worse this period that we did.

 

[mightynineteen]

What a crazy draft period. We got our targets, lost two champions who have earned their golden handshake, and freed up salary cap.

All in all, well done Hawks.

 

[PhatHQ]

WOOHOOoo

How happy did JOM look in his interview!
Interesting that he has an existing relationship with TOM & JOR on the field... Saweeet!

 

[Kuuz]

Geelong did far worse than us. Got rid of Bartell - apparently he is not happy about it. For all the talk of us letting Lewis and Mitchell go - the Cats have been ushering their legends out the back door for a few seasons now and everyone hails them as list management gurus. The brought in Tuohy which will add very little for them and they lost Caddy, who was a handy player for them. They also lost draft picks as well. Their list needs are far greater than ours - and their draft positions aren't great now. They also missed their big fish in Deledio while we got both of ours. Geelong did far worse this period that we did.

I was being gentle on the main board?

If I came across to arrogant the pitchforks would be out.

I personally very pleased about our business. Getting the guys we set out to get is perfect. Regenerates our mids wonderfully.

 

[whiteTiga2k]

WOOHOOoo

How happy did JOM look in his interview!
Interesting that he has an existing relationship with TOM & JOR on the field... Saweeet!

Where can you watch that?

 

[S Lawrence]

Geelong did far worse than us. Got rid of Bartell - apparently he is not happy about it. For all the talk of us letting Lewis and Mitchell go - the Cats have been ushering their legends out the back door for a few seasons now and everyone hails them as list management gurus. The brought in Tuohy which will add very little for them and they lost Caddy, who was a handy player for them. They also lost draft picks as well. Their list needs are far greater than ours - and their draft positions aren't great now. They also missed their big fish in Deledio while we got both of ours. Geelong did far worse this period that we did.

And that's the main thing

 

[butlers hawks]

Where can you watch that?

Hawks website

 

[whiteTiga2k]

Just saw it - already a favorite! Gonna be a superstar!

 

[whiteTiga2k]

Geelong did far worse than us. Got rid of Bartell - apparently he is not happy about it. For all the talk of us letting Lewis and Mitchell go - the Cats have been ushering their legends out the back door for a few seasons now and everyone hails them as list management gurus. The brought in Tuohy which will add very little for them and they lost Caddy, who was a handy player for them. They also lost draft picks as well. Their list needs are far greater than ours - and their draft positions aren't great now. They also missed their big fish in Deledio while we got both of ours. Geelong did far worse this period that we did.

I guess you can throw in Enright retiring as well - as he has been a massive reason for their success over the years. Tuohy will not add more that what even an aging Enright has given them

 

[jameses]

You know it has been a good trade period when getting Tom Mitchell isn't even our best pick up of the week!

 

[HawksILove]

Just saw it - already a favorite! Gonna be a superstar!

Correct love him

 

[Billyc]

Slobbo reckons Carlton would have taken O'Meara at 5. Says Jaeger wouldn't answer Essendon's calls today. Like him more and more.

 

[Hodgey 15]

I'm glad that Trade Period is done. Nerve. Racking.
I tell ya...being a passionate supporter can come at a price sometimes but...
I wouldn't have it any other way