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[Snake Charmer]

Ronke wouldn’t be bad but it’s mainly his injury problems and consistency tbh. I’d rather we go for a high pressure forward and a genuine crumber.

Rhylee west would be a huge get for that role.

We were right into him last year from memory

 

[Mikevk123]

He’s 26 next year, that’s not too old. By that logic, we might as well trade Merrett, Parish, Langford, Laverde, Redman and Wright.

We aren’t contending there’s no need to trade a first rounder for anyone now or in the near future.

We traded out of 2017, 2018 and 2019 so we need to replenish and try bring in elite young talent.

 

[doug85]

We aren’t contending there’s no need to trade a first rounder for anyone now or in the near future.

We traded out of 2017, 2018 and 2019 so we need to replenish and try bring in elite young talent.

That’s not the point I was responding to. You said Dunkley was too old, he isn’t. I do agree we shouldn’t trade our first round pick.

 

[Hamster14]

Think todays contested game against north just goes to show how valuable Dunkley would be to us. Although we’ll win, we’ve been smashed at clearance. His an elite centre bounce/contest player who’s reliable for a goal or two a game.
Only 25 so there’s 7+ years of footy left in him.
Get him across


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[Yoda_]

Think todays contested game against north just goes to show how valuable Dunkley would be to us. Although we’ll win, we’ve been smashed at clearance. His an elite centre bounce/contest player who’s reliable for a goal or two a game.
Only 25 so there’s 7+ years of footy left in him.
Get him across


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I don't believe one King would aid to our shortcomings, we need to pad out the whole midfield group.

Go to the draft, add elite talent, find role players later in the draft and we'll be fine.

 

[JayJ20]

I don't believe one King would aid to our shortcomings, we need to pad out the whole midfield group.

Go to the draft, add elite talent, find role players later in the draft and we'll be fine.

If it's Dunkley for F1 (maybe with something coming back) + using pick 5/6 on Tsatas, then the midfield is complete. A good spread of experienced mids + the next generation of Caldwell, Perkins, Hobbs, Tsasas, Martin etc. Dodoro has a habit of putting off the midfield so it'd be nice to have real depth running through the middle. The sooner we develop a deep and dominant midfield the better it is.

 

[Hamster14]

I don't believe one King would aid to our shortcomings, we need to pad out the whole midfield group.

Go to the draft, add elite talent, find role players later in the draft and we'll be fine.

Why not both? 1 top pick should get him in. His qualities know. Draft picks, even in the top 10 are lottery


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[Yoda_]

If it's Dunkley for F1 (maybe with something coming back) + using pick 5/6 on Tsatas, then the midfield is complete. A good spread of experienced mids + the next generation of Caldwell, Perkins, Hobbs, Tsasas, Martin etc. Dodoro has a habit of putting off the midfield so it'd be nice to have real depth running through the middle. The sooner we develop a deep and dominant midfield the better it is.

Why not both? 1 top pick should get him in. His qualities know. Draft picks, even in the top 10 are lottery


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Its also salary as well as that draft capital. Pretty well documented that in our position, young talent is more needed than established players, it's not like we are absolutely screaming for first position clearance players. Parish and Shiel are sufficient enough, we need role players and they can be found later in the draft, in other areas other than inside the first round or trades.

Ive mentioned Joel Trudgeon a few times, absolutely love the sound of what he could do at AFL level, bit of Luke Dunstan about him, does the team things, tackles, blocks, bit of a leader from what I understand. A decent size at 185cm/90kg, 21 y.o so plenty to like about him.

A few midfielders could be had at the back end of the draft, state leaguers, kids to take on speculative picks. We don't need more ball hunters which is why I would like to steer clear of a big mid with our first &/or trading for a star one. If it is Salary ONLY then you could make a case but we still need to keep those draft picks. These wins recently are papering over the cracks that we are still in the bottom 6 and blown away by some of the best teams earlier in the year.

 

[BrunoV]

Redman and Ridley are very good but no objective fan is saying they are close to Tom Stewart, Saad, lever, daicos. I could name 3 players easily better than them in there positions. Top 5 100% but don't think either are even top 3 objectively.

Stewart and Saad are the premier mid-sized and small defender/half back in the league. They're different players.

Ridley is a better player than Lever. Lever was embarrassing himself trying to defend in a side without May. Ridley has barely played a game with any freedom since 2020.

Daicos hasn't tried to defend yet. Redman is a much more rounded small defender/half back than anyone other than Saad. He's playing Whitfield's running game with prime-Hibberd grunt. He's been freed from defensive duties by Kelly but he's been a very solid defender when fit.

 

[BuffDog]

If it's Dunkley for F1 (maybe with something coming back) + using pick 5/6 on Tsatas, then the midfield is complete. A good spread of experienced mids + the next generation of Caldwell, Perkins, Hobbs, Tsasas, Martin etc. Dodoro has a habit of putting off the midfield so it'd be nice to have real depth running through the middle. The sooner we develop a deep and dominant midfield the better it is.

Id do Dunkley for a F1 + RD2 draft pick with some draft points coming back to us if the Dogs take that.

Yes Dunkley is not a baby but if we want to win finals we’re going to need a mix of experience and talent. Plus I’m hoping we will contend sometime in the next 6-7 years.

Definitely coming around to the Dunkley, Tsatsas and Davey x2 combo. Would be quite the haul.

Would also love to pry Rosas Jr from GC if Rankine is unrealistic

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

He’s 26 next year, that’s not too old. By that logic, we might as well trade Merrett, Parish, Langford, Laverde, Redman and Wright.

It's not the same logic at all. In one case, you're talking about players already on the list. In the other, you're talking about giving away our biggest piece of currency to bring another player onto our list.

 

[doug85]

It's not the same logic at all. In one case, you're talking about players already on the list. In the other, you're talking about giving away our biggest piece of currency to bring another player onto our list.

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[faible]

Stewart and Saad are the premier mid-sized and small defender/half back in the league. They're different players.

Ridley is a better player than Lever. Lever was embarrassing himself trying to defend in a side without May. Ridley has barely played a game with any freedom since 2020.

Daicos hasn't tried to defend yet. Redman is a much more rounded small defender/half back than anyone other than Saad. He's playing Whitfield's running game with prime-Hibberd grunt. He's been freed from defensive duties by Kelly but he's been a very solid defender when fit.

Tom Stewart plays pretty much the same role Ridley is best at I'd have said. Intercept defender

 

[bombreys]

You can not really rate the last few drafts yet.
2015 Parish.
2014. De Goey
2013 Kolodjahnij
2012 Stringer
2011 Buntine
You get good and bad.
Just out of interest who are you replacing in the midfield with Dunkley ?

Yeah that's probably a better batch of players to look at - my point was more that even at top 5, you're not guaranteed a jet. From your list above, which player/s are you taking over Dunkley right now? It's obviously all hypothetical and you need to take age into account and everything - I'd just think that Dunkley is the exact type of player we'd be targeting and hoping our Pick 5 (/whatever it ends up being) would turn into.

 

[Mikevk123]

I think the main one we could get cheap would be Hopper. Doesn’t look great coming back so far but he’s only just getting his boots in.

If the rumours on the GWS salary cap are true we should split our second into two 30’s picks. Offer a second rounder and maybe a future fourth.

25 years old
187cm
87kg

 

[Snake Charmer]

I think the main one we could get cheap would be Hopper. Doesn’t look great coming back so far but he’s only just getting his boots in.

If the rumours on the GWS salary cap are true we should split our second into two 30’s picks. Offer a second rounder and maybe a future fourth.

25 years old
187cm
87kg

Worth a decent pick IMO. they wont be giving him away

 

[eth-dog]

Definitely need cheap inside mid depth (or top of the range as well) and probably a cheap small forward as well.

 

[bombreys]

How is this up for debate ? Wanting blue collar and actually having players that can do it is the issue. Nothing to do with the coach.

His absolute insistence on playing Ham goes the complete other way. Not giving players like Hird or Voss a shot, who seem to fit the bill. We have Bryan running around getting 25 stats and 30 hitouts in the twos, but he wants to stick with a 31 year old ruck averaging 7 stats a game who flops forward in every second marking contest he's in. Dropping Baldwin from the ones after a win which was his best game, and where, playing as a key forward, he was easily our best pressure forward that day. He mostly selects the team based on name, not on form. Whether that's all his doing, I don't know - but I'm not really buying the 'blue collar' thing so far, it seems only to be words.

 

[faible]

His absolute insistence on playing Ham goes the complete other way. Not giving players like Hird or Voss a shot, who seem to fit the bill. We have Bryan running around getting 25 stats and 30 hitouts in the twos, but he wants to stick with a 31 year old ruck averaging 7 stats a game who flops forward in every second marking contest he's in. Dropping Baldwin from the ones after a win which was his best game, and where, playing as a key forward, he was easily our best pressure forward that day. He mostly selects the team based on name, not on form. Whether that's all his doing, I don't know - but I'm not really buying the 'blue collar' thing so far, it seems only to be words.

Ham was pretty good last time he played VFL from memory.

Having him sit on the bench as sub so the other guys can play genuine VFL game-time and improve isn't necessarily anti-blue collar. It's the development of guys like Voss, Hird and Bryan from consistent games that's showing why they're doing it.

 

[bombreys]

You can not really rate the last few drafts yet.
2015 Parish.
2014. De Goey
2013 Kolodjahnij
2012 Stringer
2011 Buntine
You get good and bad.
Just out of interest who are you replacing in the midfield with Dunkley ?

Forgot to answer who I'd replace - and it's a tough one. I'm on the McGrath to D50 full time bandwagon.

Hopefully Heppell retires and we get someone out onto a wing for a bit longer.

He'll obviously go forward a bit too.

 

[bombreys]

Ham was pretty good last time he played VFL from memory.

Having him sit on the bench as sub so the other guys can play genuine VFL game-time and improve isn't necessarily anti-blue collar. It's the development of guys like Voss, Hird and Bryan from consistent games that's showing why they're doing it.

I had a quick look and the last time he was brought back to AFL, he had 15-odd stats (seems to differ from site to site), where Hird had a few more.

It's just one example, and an example exists for just about any argument out there - I just don't really buy the blue collar trope when he seems to contradict him with match selection/not rewarding younger players in form. I think it sounds good to say, especially in a losing season where fans are crying out for a bit of heart/toughness, but he doesn't seem to be even attempting to implement it.

 

[eth-dog]

I had a quick look and the last time he was brought back to AFL, he had 15-odd stats (seems to differ from site to site), where Hird had a few more.

It's just one example, and an example exists for just about any argument out there - I just don't really buy the blue collar trope when he seems to contradict him with match selection/not rewarding younger players in form. I think it sounds good to say, especially in a losing season where fans are crying out for a bit of heart/toughness, but he doesn't seem to be even attempting to implement it.

Only played a half that day in case someone got injured in the warm up and he became the sub.

 

[faible]

I had a quick look and the last time he was brought back to AFL, he had 15-odd stats (seems to differ from site to site), where Hird had a few more.

It's just one example, and an example exists for just about any argument out there - I just don't really buy the blue collar trope when he seems to contradict him with match selection/not rewarding younger players in form. I think it sounds good to say, especially in a losing season where fans are crying out for a bit of heart/toughness, but he doesn't seem to be even attempting to implement it.

When was the last time Ham was named in the actual 22? He's been benchwarming as a sub so the others can actually get meaningful development.

He's also more versatile than Hird or Byran in roles he can play, and Voss has only had a couple of games back from injury.

With all our Sunday games lately, whoever is sub is almost guaranteed not to play a full game at any level. We're better off having a guy like Voss get continuity and consistency than sit on the bench, and now that Voss has another year, there's no rush to play him at AFL level this season.

 

[citizen-erased]

Definitely need cheap inside mid depth (or top of the range as well) and probably a cheap small forward as well.

think we need to build both. really missed a trick on Brodie last year. One senior + one top 20 kid for the price of a pick we'll likely see eaten up by a Davey bid.

O'Halloran, Bytel, RCD are probably worth looking at for cheaper depth, with a view that the Shiel role will be up for grabs in the next 2-3 years if they're good enough

Draft another with our first this year or next.
Then it's a question of do you pursue Dunkley, Taranto or Hopper and at what cost

i'd back our ability to uncover gems in the SSP and MSD of late too.

 

[bombreys]

When was the last time Ham was named in the actual 22? He's been benchwarming as a sub so the others can actually get meaningful development.

He's also more versatile than Hird or Byran in roles he can play, and Voss has only had a couple of games back from injury.

With all our Sunday games lately, whoever is sub is almost guaranteed not to play a full game at any level. We're better off having a guy like Voss get continuity and consistency than sit on the bench, and now that Voss has another year, there's no rush to play him at AFL level this season.

He had one handball in a half of footy last week. Hird's not going to do any worse. You or I wouldn't have done any worse. We've seen what Ham can do, unfortunately he's a good VFL player, but not a good AFL player. Hird's been in the VFL for three years now - to be honest, in my opinion, he probably doesn't make it - but why not give him a go? He runs, chases, tackles and does everything Ham doesn't do. If one of them is blue collar, it's Hird. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's sounding like I'm coming from a Ham vs. everyone else angle, I'm just suggesting that what Rutten says doesn't really align with what he does.

With the Voss thing - there's no rush to play him, I suppose - but there's also no harm in giving him a go, especially if he wants to really drive this blue collar mantra. Voss is the walking example of it. I do understand that right this second, he doesn't get a game based on form - but if Rutten wants this blue collar style, the options are there.