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[ghostdog]

Greens out of form atm and got a huge whack from the coach on the weekend (as did 13 others). Probably not the worst time to pop the question.

Spikey. Forever a Don.

 

[ghostdog]

Whitfield is just about the best wingman in the comp IMO, if you got him for chips and could front-load his contract you'd do it.

No, I wouldn't.

Edit: Apologies for the brevity of that response - was at work.

Whitfield's age doesn't align with the rebuild. I'd rather focus on the gems we've got, who I think should be Durham and Martin on the wings going forward.

Whitfield in would just stifle their development IMO.

 

[doug85]

why doesn't the media ever jump on Jason McCartney for the dire state of the gws cap? He seems to get a free pass. (i guess this is where someone tells me its not his job)

As much of a * as I think he is, the GWS cap probably isn’t his fault. They’re consistently overpaying players to keep them at the club, and they probably don’t have an alternative in the short term.

 

[The Dustbin]

Whitfield is just about the best wingman in the comp IMO, if you got him for chips and could front-load his contract you'd do it.

No. We are in 2022 not 2019.

 

[faible]

No. We are in 2022 not 2019.

He's just turned 28, and hasn't had a career destroying injury like Tom Scully.

He's certainly overpaid by GWS, but I'd be confident a fit Whitfield would have 3-5 years as an A grade wingman in him.

 

[Howard Moon]

He's just turned 28, and hasn't had a career destroying injury like Tom Scully.

He's certainly overpaid by GWS, but I'd be confident a fit Whitfield would have 3-5 years as an A grade wingman in him.

He's as white collar as they come, doseht fit the mo

 

[BrunoV]

why doesn't the media ever jump on Jason McCartney for the dire state of the gws cap? He seems to get a free pass. (i guess this is where someone tells me its not his job)

Probably because no one cares.

His list management seems to be driven by the chip on his shoulder. It is as bad as the coaching that hasn't gotten that list into the top 4 since 2018.

Unnecessarily big contracts for players who, Green aside, are barely match winners. He's purchased loyalty and the next generation has continued to cycle on and off the GWS list.

I suppose they had to keep a generation and it made sense to keep the older guys but I can't help but wonder whether they should have taken a similar approach to Brisbane. Keep the locals and take kids with the character to hang around.

I worry that Hopper is on the way out. Green cannot leave. They can't lose academy players, the academy should be the heart and soul of the team.

XOH is probably expendable, in terms of his talent, but is a character they need.

If you have to buy the loyalty of your senior players they're not what you want. It's not much of a culture.

I wonder whether the bottom now falls out completely. GWS was always going to be the long term problem because of its geography. GC has a very different and I think more sustainable appeal which was undermined due to its incompetence.

GWS needs to become Sydney of 2000 to 2004. Hard-nosed and professional. That will build a culture which is then less likely to produce the revolving door that is the current problem.

I'd raid them for their youth. I dont like the senior players.

 

[faible]

He's as white collar as they come, doseht fit the mo

Underselling him a bit there IMO, for an outside player he's decent on the tackles front, takes a good amount of marks and covers ground both ways.

GWS have used him off HFF and HBF which to me wastes him, he's a wingman.

 

[Howard Moon]

Probably because no one cares.

His list management seems to be driven by the chip on his shoulder. It is as bad as the coaching that hasn't gotten that list into the top 4 since 2018.

Unnecessarily big contracts for players who, Green aside, are barely match winners. He's purchased loyalty and the next generation has continued to cycle on and off the GWS list.

I suppose they had to keep a generation and it made sense to keep the older guys but I can't help but wonder whether they should have taken a similar approach to Brisbane. Keep the locals and take kids with the character to hang around.

I worry that Hopper is on the way out. Green cannot leave. They can't lose academy players, the academy should be the heart and soul of the team.

XOH is probably expendable, in terms of his talent, but is a character they need.

If you have to buy the loyalty of your senior players they're not what you want. It's not much of a culture.

I wonder whether the bottom now falls out completely. GWS was always going to be the long term problem because of its geography. GC has a very different and I think more sustainable appeal which was undermined due to its incompetence.

GWS needs to become Sydney of 2000 to 2004. Hard-nosed and professional. That will build a culture which is then less likely to produce the revolving door that is the current problem.

I'd raid them for their youth. I dont like the senior players.

That spray spike have could legitimately be a tipping point in their club and culture....and by a caretaker no less.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

If that's a consequence of clubs cautiously managing head knocks then I think it's still worthwhile.

It was the expansion of the sub rules that meant it became easily manipulated, and then clubs using it to debut players and do all kinds of stupid stuff.

A 5 man bench doesn't really fix it, clubs will still complain that they're disadvantaged and down to 4 players on the bench with an injury.

Can't imagine clubs are mucking around with head knocks these days, it just wouldn't happen and you are suggesting qualified doctors are untrustworthy and would go against their own medical opinion and jeopardise their career/credibility..

Are clubs really complaining though? I don't see it benefitting anyone having a sub who doesn't end up playing. Either cop the injury with 4 on the bench or increase the bench to 5 if they want. Injuries are just bad luck sometimes and teams should work around it.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Would everyone here offer pick 5 and our future 1st for Tom Green?

No, I'd rather go to the draft with two high first rounders.

 

[faible]

Can't imagine clubs are mucking around with head knocks these days, it just wouldn't happen and you are suggesting qualified doctors are untrustworthy and would go against their own medical opinion and jeopardise their career/credibility..

Are clubs really complaining though? I don't see it benefitting anyone having a sub who doesn't end up playing. Either cop the injury with 4 on the bench or increase the bench to 5 if they want. Injuries are just bad luck sometimes and teams should work around it.

Qualified doctors have been mucking around with head knocks for years, so yes I would think it's well and truly possible the action in the best interest of the player isn't always the action that's taken.

 

[ghostdog]

Would everyone here offer pick 5 and our future 1st for Tom Green?

First and a second I reckon.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Qualified doctors have been mucking around with head knocks for years, so yes I would think it's well and truly possible the action in the best interest of the player isn't always the action that's taken.

Have they? Would be interested to hear when a doctor last knowingly made a decision around concussion against the best interests of the player.

 

[ant555]

He's just turned 28, and hasn't had a career destroying injury like Tom Scully.

He's certainly overpaid by GWS, but I'd be confident a fit Whitfield would have 3-5 years as an A grade wingman in him.

Personally I am looking for 8 to 10 years out of a player if we are trading for him.

 

[faible]

Have they? Would be interested to hear when a doctor last knowingly made a decision around concussion against the best interests of the player.

AFL concussion investigation to be referred to public prosecutors

An ongoing WorkSafe Victoria review of the AFL’s concussion and return-to-play protocols will be handed to the Office of Public Prosecutions for assessment.

www.theage.com.au

Arguably the current protocols are inadequate, and given how long serving many club doctors are (e.g. Zimmerman at the Dogs has been there since the 90s, Reid was at EFC from '81 to around 2020) they would have been around when head injuries were consistently mismanaged.

I fully agree with the AFL that conservative management of head injuries is a priority, in a way that other injuries aren't. Most physical injuries either stop the player competing entirely, or allow them to compete in a limited fashion but without causing further injury. Head knocks are quite distinct, and we know now that delayed concussion is a thing such that a player might pass the SCAT5 test but still have problematic head trauma.

 

[faible]

Personally I am looking for 8 to 10 years out of a player if we are trading for him.

To clarify, this is in a scenario where Whitfield comes for chips in exchange for us taking on the salary and being able to frontload the hell out of it given our current cap space.

I wouldn't bother if that wasn't the scenario.

 

[ant555]

To clarify, this is in a scenario where Whitfield comes for chips in exchange for us taking on the salary and being able to frontload the hell out of it given our current cap space.

I wouldn't bother if that wasn't the scenario.

I wouldn't bother anyway. Realistically we are 3 years away from trying to top up again.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

AFL concussion investigation to be referred to public prosecutors

An ongoing WorkSafe Victoria review of the AFL’s concussion and return-to-play protocols will be handed to the Office of Public Prosecutions for assessment.

www.theage.com.au

Arguably the current protocols are inadequate, and given how long serving many club doctors are (e.g. Zimmerman at the Dogs has been there since the 90s, Reid was at EFC from '81 to around 2020) they would have been around when head injuries were consistently mismanaged.

I fully agree with the AFL that conservative management of head injuries is a priority, in a way that other injuries aren't. Most physical injuries either stop the player competing entirely, or allow them to compete in a limited fashion but without causing further injury. Head knocks are quite distinct, and we know now that delayed concussion is a thing such that a player might pass the SCAT5 test but still have problematic head trauma.

Go back a decade or longer and no doubt concussion was mismanaged. It just doesn't happen these days, players face a concussion test and the medi-sub doesn't impact a clubs decision to sub out a concussed player.

 

[Ati Tude]

Go back a decade or longer and no doubt concussion was mismanaged. It just doesn't happen these days, players face a concussion test and the medi-sub doesn't impact a clubs decision to sub out a concussed player.

I remember back a long time ago when Paul Vanderhaar was reported for striking in a final against Hawthorn. Might have been 2nd Semi Final of 89. Ess used concussion as Vander's defence and got him off. And then he played the next week. Different times.

 

[Mikevk123]

We hold- 5, 23, 41, 59, 77

Id take on Sexton and Fiorini as salary dumps.

Suns- F2 and F3
Dons- Sexton, Fiorini, 25 and 43

Lions- 23 and 25
Dons- 14 and F3

Demons- 59
Dons- Bedford

Leaves us with
5, 14, 41, 43, 77

5- Cameron Mckenzie
14- Ollie Hotton
41- Alwyn Davey

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43- Anthony Munkara
77- Mature age mid

 

[ghostdog]

We hold- 5, 23, 41, 59, 77

Id take on Sexton and Fiorini as salary dumps.

Suns- F2 and F3
Dons- Sexton, Fiorini, 25 and 43

Lions- 23 and 25
Dons- 14 and F3

Demons- 59
Dons- Bedford

Leaves us with
5, 14, 41, 43, 77

5- Cameron Mckenzie
14- Ollie Hotton
41- Alwyn Davey
43- Anthony Munkara
77- Mature age mid

Jayden Davey in the rookie draft?

 

[foj1]

We hold- 5, 23, 41, 59, 77

Id take on Sexton and Fiorini as salary dumps.

Suns- F2 and F3
Dons- Sexton, Fiorini, 25 and 43

Lions- 23 and 25
Dons- 14 and F3

Demons- 59
Dons- Bedford

Leaves us with
5, 14, 41, 43, 77

5- Cameron Mckenzie
14- Ollie Hotton
41- Alwyn Davey
43- Anthony Munkara
77- Mature age mid

I like your imagination with trades but McKenzie at 5 and hotton at 14 is vanilla drafting in my opinion
how much have you watched these boys play?
i reckon our first rounder should have a grade potential
ashcroft
wardlaw
cadman
phillipou
sheezel
busslinger
george
tsatsas
clark
hewitt
is my current top 10
realistically sheezel, George and tsatsas are most likely to be available
if we got 14 I would really look at Bailey humphrey- he could be top 10 by the end of the year I reckon
interesting rfk was watching gwvr on Saturday and my guess is Aaron cadman was easily his main focus

 

[yodellinhank]

That spray spike have could legitimately be a tipping point in their club and culture....and by a caretaker no less.

Bring him in

 

[bacon buster]

To clarify, this is in a scenario where Whitfield comes for chips in exchange for us taking on the salary and being able to frontload the hell out of it given our current cap space.

I wouldn't bother if that wasn't the scenario.

Whitfield is probably the epitome of everything wrong with GWS

Talented as they come - beautiful skills on the left and right. Reads the play well. But just turns into the invisible man when the going gets tough.

He plays games where you forget he's out there for long stretches. Even for chips, I don't think he's what we want or need.