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[yodellinhank]

Had a couple of good games but he lacks intensity and effort . You can play in a dog shit side and put some effort in. Also has pretty much no defensive pressure. He could have easily had another 5 or 6 touches last week if he was prepared to lead into the space and use his speed to do it but he just stood around . Right now he plays too much soft school boy footy . He has the scope to be much better but he has to start pulling his finger out a bit and lift his work rate. The lack of goals or even possessions does not worry me right now. It is the lack of effort for periods of the game. He may not have played a lot of footy in the last 2 years but he has had enough fitness build up over the last 16 months to be able to play with more effort than he is right now.

Effort is the non-negotiable. I remember the day Alwyn Sr became my favourite player. Busting his arse chasing on the southern side wing 37 points down, time on in the last. Refused to give up.

Sounds like Brad needs to spell it out to him. The tools are there to work with. If AMT is the comparison, pretty sure he was not getting much of it across half back at the same age.

 

[Keystone agony]

You started by saying Rachele was getable because there's angst between him and Nicks. I've shown that Nicks is the problem, not Rachele, and therefore the board would more likely dispense with Nicks than trade Rachele.

If this is the case, and the issue is between Rachele and Nicks as you say, why would Rachele still want to go?

If Nicks is the sole major issue then yes he may be sacked

Its a big IF

 

[ghostdog]

If Nicks is the sole major issue then yes he may be sacked

Its a big IF

Well now I'm interested, because you started out by saying this was due to the friction between the two. Is there another reason that you know about that no one has mentioned?

 

[FootyGuru]

I would love Parish to be fit enough and get back to his best and see him in tandem with Durham, Martin, Perkins alongside Setterfield and Merrett

Parish holds the keys to this motorcade


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Parish added in to our current midfield group no doubt makes us a better unit, but parish would be lucky to be in our top 5 let alone top 20 players.

Isn’t damaging enough per possession and doesn’t kick enough goals to be as bad as he is defensively.

I just feel most premiership teams have at least 2 top 20 guys or 3 top 35. To clarify when I say top 20 I put on my coaches hat and see where players would land in an open draft.

Essendons depth is starting to look really solid with plenty in the b grade category. Our depth healthy is good enough not sure our top end is.

What do you guys think

 

[Hird05]

Parish added in to our current midfield group no doubt makes us a better unit, but parish would be lucky to be in our top 5 let alone top 20 players.

Isn’t damaging enough per possession and doesn’t kick enough goals to be as bad as he is defensively.

I just feel most premiership teams have at least 2 top 20 guys or 3 top 35. To clarify when I say top 20 I put on my coaches hat and see where players would land in an open draft.

Essendons depth is starting to look really solid with plenty in the b grade category. Our depth healthy is good enough not sure our top end is.

What do you guys think

Think he's a bit underrated. Finished top 5 a few years ago in the brownlow. Was regularly our best player getting 42 or kicking a few goals. Still only 26 so should be peaking soon. Hopefully he gets back to that form.

 

[Blind Turn]

I’m not seeing it with Ainsworth. Hope we don’t break the bank thinking he’s the answer to our small forward issues.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well now I'm interested, because you started out by saying this was due to the friction between the two. Is there another reason that you know about that no one has mentioned?

Another reason with what?

 

[Yoda_]

Parish added in to our current midfield group no doubt makes us a better unit, but parish would be lucky to be in our top 5 let alone top 20 players.

Isn’t damaging enough per possession and doesn’t kick enough goals to be as bad as he is defensively.

I just feel most premiership teams have at least 2 top 20 guys or 3 top 35. To clarify when I say top 20 I put on my coaches hat and see where players would land in an open draft.

Essendons depth is starting to look really solid with plenty in the b grade category. Our depth healthy is good enough not sure our top end is.

What do you guys think

Darcy Parish is criminally under rated, feel that due to the improvement we have seen from those c grade players, we feel Parish is redundant. I would argue that you add Parish into the midfield mix in lieu of Hobbs and we look infinitely better. Thats as easy as it gets.

We are starting to get into that top 20 - 50 player conversation. Langford was starting to be in most AA sides/squads at the half way point of this season. Martin was in conversation for some pundits. McGrath was sizzling early before tapering off over last few weeks. Ridley could be a game changer and if McKay finishes the year off, he could be another in the AA conversation.

That is 6 or 7 guys (add on Parish and Merrett + Stringer) who could be on there day, top 20 - top 30 players in the game.

 

[Keystone agony]

Parish added in to our current midfield group no doubt makes us a better unit, but parish would be lucky to be in our top 5 let alone top 20 players.

Isn’t damaging enough per possession and doesn’t kick enough goals to be as bad as he is defensively.

I just feel most premiership teams have at least 2 top 20 guys or 3 top 35. To clarify when I say top 20 I put on my coaches hat and see where players would land in an open draft.

Essendons depth is starting to look really solid with plenty in the b grade category. Our depth healthy is good enough not sure our top end is.

What do you guys think

I think Zerrett, Martin, Ridley, Langford are our top liners

Mcgrath is also probably in the All Aus side right now aswell

 

[ghostdog]

Another reason with what?

That Rachele would want to leave?

 

[Keystone agony]

That Rachele would want to leave?

Ive never said he does want to leave, i wouldnt know

A different poster raised him as an option

All i said is it seems there is a bit of animosity looking from the outer between Rachelle and the club

 

[FootyGuru]

I think Zerrett, Martin, Ridley, Langford are our top liners

Mcgrath is also probably in the All Aus side right now

Darcy Parish is criminally under rated, feel that due to the improvement we have seen from those c grade players, we feel Parish is redundant. I would argue that you add Parish into the midfield mix in lieu of Hobbs and we look infinitely better. Thats as easy as it gets.

We are starting to get into that top 20 - 50 player conversation. Langford was starting to be in most AA sides/squads at the half way point of this season. Martin was in conversation for some pundits. McGrath was sizzling early before tapering off over last few weeks. Ridley could be a game changer and if McKay finishes the year off, he could be another in the AA conversation.

That is 6 or 7 guys (add on Parish and Merrett + Stringer) who could be on there day, top 20 - top 30 players in the game.

A top 20 players is virtually every clubs best player, how many clubs would Merrett be their best player? A couple clubs might have a couple in their team ahead.

We have plenty of guys who could be in the next rung of guys. Ridley Wright Langford stringer Martin Caldwell parish McGrath redman mckay. Maybe tsatas Perkins Reid jones can get there too.

Our depth is getting real good. I just think we need that out and out superstar that really will put us over the edge. Whether we draft or trade for him.

Continually adding guys who are in the b/c grade level, makes the competition for spots better but generally superstars put you over the edge.

 

[jdstorm]

Parish added in to our current midfield group no doubt makes us a better unit, but parish would be lucky to be in our top 5 let alone top 20 players.

Isn’t damaging enough per possession and doesn’t kick enough goals to be as bad as he is defensively.

I just feel most premiership teams have at least 2 top 20 guys or 3 top 35. To clarify when I say top 20 I put on my coaches hat and see where players would land in an open draft.

Essendons depth is starting to look really solid with plenty in the b grade category. Our depth healthy is good enough not sure our top end is.

What do you guys think

I think it’s unquestionably true that teams that win have talent and have elite talent.

I think that “Top 20-35” is much too hard to measure and doesn’t provide an accurate value comparison where player 40 might have virtually the same level of quality as player 30 as I think positional depth and hierarchy is far more important.

I think good sides win with 6 elite players. I define this as players who can win one on one matchups against a quality opponent

Typically 2 defenders 2 mids and two forwads.

I would suggest Essendon have enough elite talent with McKay, Ridley, Martin, Merrett, Langford, Wright.

Beyond that it’s about having enough good players to create an effective structure to allow those players to shine.

Redman, McGrath, Parish, Caldwell, Durham, Gresham. Is a pretty good Tier 2 and beyond that there’s decent depth.

So it’s about finding the right positional mix to put your elite players in position to succeed

 

[Keystone agony]

A top 20 players is virtually every clubs best player, how many clubs would Merrett be their best player? A couple clubs might have a couple in their team ahead.

We have plenty of guys who could be in the next rung of guys. Ridley Wright Langford stringer Martin Caldwell parish McGrath redman mckay. Maybe tsatas Perkins Reid jones can get there too.

Our depth is getting real good. I just think we need that out and out superstar that really will put us over the edge. Whether we draft or trade for him.

Continually adding guys who are in the b/c grade level, makes the competition for spots better but generally superstars put you over the edge.

Out and out susperstars beyond Zerrett are bloody hard to get

Not many of the top 20 AFL players move clubs, and then were fighting with 9 other victorian clubs if they want to come home

Not many of these guys move

Bont
Naicos
Heeney
Trac
Gawn
Serong
Butters
Gulden
S.Bolton
Weitering
S.Taylor
Warner
Neale
Curnow
Jezza
Rankine
Rozee
Rowell
Stewart
Zerrett
Walsh
T.Green

You really need to draft them. Jezza is the only one that moved home to Victoria and he went to Geelong

You also need to give up a ridiculos amount for them and thst comes with risk as weve seen with Shiel, T.Kelly types

 

[Yoda_]

A top 20 players is virtually every clubs best player, how many clubs would Merrett be their best player? A couple clubs might have a couple in their team ahead.

We have plenty of guys who could be in the next rung of guys. Ridley Wright Langford stringer Martin Caldwell parish McGrath redman mckay. Maybe tsatas Perkins Reid jones can get there too.

Our depth is getting real good. I just think we need that out and out superstar that really will put us over the edge. Whether we draft or trade for him.

Continually adding guys who are in the b/c grade level, makes the competition for spots better but generally superstars put you over the edge.

Adelaide - Yes (Dawson)
Brisbane - 50:50 (Neale)
Carlton - 50:50 (Cripps/Curnow)
Collingwood - Yes (N.Daicos)
Fremantle - Yes (Serong)
GWS - Yes (Kelly)
Geelong - Yes (Tom Stewart? Miers?)
Gold Coast - Yes (Rowell)
Hawthorn - Yes (Worpell/Sicily)
Melbourne - Yes (Tracc current form behind Merrett)
North - Yes (Sheezel)
Port - Yes (Butters)
Richmond - Yes (who knows)
St.Kilda - Yes (see above)
Swans No - (Heeney)
West Coast - Yes (Reid? Yeo?)
Bulldogs - no (Bontempelli)

That puts him comfortably in top 10 in the comp conversation..

 

[Yoda_]

A top 20 players is virtually every clubs best player, how many clubs would Merrett be their best player? A couple clubs might have a couple in their team ahead.

We have plenty of guys who could be in the next rung of guys. Ridley Wright Langford stringer Martin Caldwell parish McGrath redman mckay. Maybe tsatas Perkins Reid jones can get there too.

Our depth is getting real good. I just think we need that out and out superstar that really will put us over the edge. Whether we draft or trade for him.

Continually adding guys who are in the b/c grade level, makes the competition for spots better but generally superstars put you over the edge.

Its coming more from the bottom 6 than the 5 - 10 listed guys on the list. Its the role players who need to fill a void.


Positionally, an elite small forward is probably the most useful position we need to address imho

 

[fairbump_playon]

I think it’s unquestionably true that teams that win have talent and have elite talent.

I think that “Top 20-35” is much too hard to measure and doesn’t provide an accurate value comparison where player 40 might have virtually the same level of quality as player 30 as I think positional depth and hierarchy is far more important.

I think good sides win with 6 elite players. I define this as players who can win one on one matchups against a quality opponent

Typically 2 defenders 2 mids and two forwads.

I would suggest Essendon have enough elite talent with McKay, Ridley, Martin, Merrett, Langford, Wright.

Beyond that it’s about having enough good players to create an effective structure to allow those players to shine.

Redman, McGrath, Parish, Caldwell, Durham, Gresham. Is a pretty good Tier 2 and beyond that there’s decent depth.

So it’s about finding the right positional mix to put your elite players in position to succeed

Merrett and Ridley are a cut about the others in that list, with Wright probably not in the top 10 for Essendon IMO.

We are getting there, guys are coming on, but I agree we need more absolute top end talent, either from within or from outside.

 

[jdstorm]

Merrett and Ridley are a cut about the others in that list, with Wright probably not in the top 10 for Essendon IMO.

We are getting there, guys are coming on, but I agree we need more absolute top end talent, either from within or from outside.

I think that’s being unfair to Wright. If he played for say Melbourne or another team with good usage he’d probably average 3+ goals a game due to better service.

He’s also been very good as backup Ruck. We just can’t play him there because without him as a forward our structure falls apart.

In general I agree though. Adding high end talent in the middle and up forward should be the goal.

 

[ghostdog]

Ive never said he does want to leave, i wouldnt know

A different poster raised him as an option

All i said is it seems there is a bit of animosity looking from the outer between Rachelle and the club

OMG. No, there isn't.

 

[ghostdog]

I’m not seeing it with Ainsworth. Hope we don’t break the bank thinking he’s the answer to out small forward issues.

Agree. Gresh and Davey are both high half forwards. We don't need another. We need a specialist close to goals, crumbing packs, sharking forward fifty stoppages, working in phone booths and with 360 goal sense. Not sure if Tex is that guy but Stengle is.

 

[ant555]

OMG. No, there isn't.

 

[ant555]

Agree. Gresh and Davey are both high half forwards. We don't need another. We need a specialist close to goals, crumbing packs, sharking forward fifty stoppages, working in phone booths and with 360 goal sense. Not sure if Tex is that guy but Stengle is.

Yep. We basically need a speedy 30/40 goal small forward.

 

[ghostdog]

Yep. We basically need a speedy 30/40 goal small forward.

Do you see that capacity in Tex?
Someone else suggested we chase both Ainsworth and Stengle, but unless we drop both Tex and someone else (Menzie?) it feels like too much.

 

[Keystone agony]

OMG. No, there isn't.

You seem to work at the club or are family, so ill take your word

 

[ghostdog]

You seem to work at the club or are family, so ill take your word

You literally said "...it seems there is a bit of animosity looking from the outer between Rachele and the club."

Please explain this to me.