amazing interview, Jones v gill, afl and asadas dirty laundry queried

[Gavstar]

Dank was Essendon. You always seem to forget that

He was a kid in a candy shop given the green light to play with players and peptides in what ever way he wanted. He experimented on them with the blessing of Hird et al. I hope he ends up behind bars.

 

[mxett]

I don't expect you to call for his head. I believe if Hird was a good a leader as everyone thinks he is he should have stood down at the beginning.

He was responsible for the health and safety of his players as well as everyone else.

As a company director if I see something wrong and don't act I am liable. As a leader if someone writes to me and tells me there is an issue if I don't act I am liable.

Hird should have done everything in his power to ensure the supplements program was WADA compliant. I.e ask for verification from ASADA. The AFL, AfLPA and ASADA all have education programs to remind everyone of how to stay within the WADA code. Hell the ASADA website has info.

The only reason you would not do this is if you really don't want to know.

dank potentially used banned substances at 2 other AFL clubs yet no one called out head coaches of these cubs funny enough

 

[LoungeLizard]

dank potentially used banned substances at 2 other AFL clubs yet no one called out head coaches of these cubs funny enough

here we go again, others were doing it also.
Have those clubs got players in a tribunal?
Have any players from them clubs even received their scn's yet?

 

[mxett]

here we go again, others were doing it also.
Have those clubs got players in a tribunal?
Have any players from them clubs even received their scn's yet?

Way to miss the point

 

[LoungeLizard]

Way to miss the point

not missing any point mxett, you have a habit of doing this.
Tell me, have any of them coaches you refer to, gone researching peds?
Have any of them been warned to stay away from peds?
Did any of them have a convicted drug dealer as their fitness adviser, then nek minnut he is involved in obtaining drugs for an employee of the club they coach?

 

[mxett]

not missing any point mxett, you have a habit of doing this.
Tell me, have any of them coaches you refer to, gone researching peds?
Have any of them been warned to stay away from peds?
Did any of them have a convicted drug dealer as their fitness adviser, then nek minnut he is involved in obtaining drugs for an employee of the club they coach?

The point was Dank caused mahem at a number of clubs yet Hird is the only coach to be accused of poor form for not knowing

 

[Ancient Tiger]

The point was Dank caused mahem at a number of clubs yet Hird is the only coach to be accused of poor form for not knowing

To my knowledge, other clubs in the AFL have not been investigated so how do we know how much their respective coaches knew?

 

[romeoh]

Robinson promoting Robinson. Fancy that

You escalate these issues to Robinsons manager

Dank chose to deal with Charter, not the rest of essendon

So how come he was 'demanding' compliance then? When that was the role of Robinson's manager?

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

The point was Dank caused mahem at a number of clubs yet Hird is the only coach to be accused of poor form for not knowing

That might be because Hird was the only coach to employ Dank directly at the club.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

That might be because Hird was the only coach to employ Dank directly at the club.

Essendon did not employ Dank directly. He formed a company called Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd who he then worked for and the EFC paid the company for his services. Dank never links himself directly for his own protection.

 

[Gavstar]

not missing any point mxett, you have a habit of doing this.
Tell me, have any of them coaches you refer to, gone researching peds?
Have any of them been warned to stay away from peds?
Did any of them have a convicted drug dealer as their fitness adviser, then nek minnut he is involved in obtaining drugs for an employee of the club they coach?

I would add did any other club let him in to access all their players for 8 months and Dank understood it was to be conducted as "Black Ops"?

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

Essendon did not employ Dank directly. He formed a company called Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd who he then worked for and the EFC paid the company for his services. Dank never links himself directly for his own protection.

Thanks for the clarification. So I guess the comment to mxett would more properly be: Did any other coach arrange to contract Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd to their club.

 

[LoungeLizard]

The point was Dank caused mahem at a number of clubs yet Hird is the only coach to be accused of poor form for not knowing

If you want to be ignorant of what Hird did/didn't know then go for it.
All just a coincidence hey?

 

[Ron The Bear]

To my knowledge, other clubs in the AFL have not been investigated so how do we know how much their respective coaches knew?

I think they have been investigated. Don't think Nathan Bock played another AFL game after the Dank connection was made public. And Trengove was named at Melbourne - prescribed AOD (cream), which ASADA has elected not to prosecute. The Essendon situation blew up before Dank could ingratiate himself further at Melbourne.

 

[mxett]

So how come he was 'demanding' compliance then? When that was the role of Robinson's manager?

As head coach why wouldn't he? Im sure Leigh Matthews demanded many things he wasnt directly responsible for

 

[mxett]

If you want to be ignorant of what Hird did/didn't know then go for it.
All just a coincidence hey?

im not prepared to sink him on assumptions alone

 

[romeoh]

As head coach why wouldn't he? Im sure Leigh Matthews demanded many things he wasnt directly responsible for

Mxett-with rights comes responsibilities surely? You can't keep moving the goalposts although appreciate the valiant effort on your part.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

im not prepared to sink him on assumptions alone

But you want to sink him if players are banned. Correct?

 

[mxett]

Thanks for the clarification. So I guess the comment to mxett would more properly be: Did any other coach arrange to contract Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd to their club.

Robinson brought Dank in, and Thompson introduced Robinson

 

[LoungeLizard]

im not prepared to sink him on assumptions alone

None of us can sink him.
We can only look at what is out there and make our own assumptions

 

[mxett]

But you want to sink him if players are banned. Correct?

If players are banned i think all involved should go to allow the club to move on

 

[LoungeLizard]

Robinson brought Dank in, and Thompson introduced Robinson

Robinson DID NOT bring Dank in, Robinson recommended Dank to Hird.

 

[Lissy]

Roll your eyes all you want, on-field we are still in better shape than we were.
This list is good enough to challenge and have shown it.
If those players are there rd.1, we can push up the 8 and challenge for top 4.
We are up against it in the first 2 rds, so missing a few weeks of the season isn't overly detrimental.
And the side we fielded Friday night wasn't outclassed in too worrying a fashion.

Its not without its grey clouds, but nor is it the end of days.

At what stage in the last 10yrs have Essendon shown any chance of challenging more than hopefully winning a final?

 

[mxett]

Mxett-with rights comes responsibilities surely? You can't keep moving the goalposts although appreciate the valiant effort on your part.

like Matthews or Malthouse or Sheedy, Hird is an influential figure and has every right to make demands even though he has no direct responsibility in ensuring they occur. Demanding the club stay within the rules is hardly a stretch that required his direct involvement

 

[mxett]

Robinson DID NOT bring Dank in, Robinson recommended Dank to Hird.

semantics. hird didn't seek Dank