An inconvenient truth

[Richo83]

Churchchill killed a lot of people. It was his stupid ideas that caused that caused the catastrophic life during the Gallipoli campaign. His plans were up there with the idiocy of Mao’s idea to making steel instead of growing food. Churchill also has to be held accountable for the deliberate torpedoing of the Wilhelm Gustloff, a German refugee ship, whose sinking was the greatest diaster in maritime history. These sins are forgotten as he did a great job as a war-time leader.

As others have said, this doesn't compare to the great leap forward.

As for Mao not being democratically elected, there wasn’t democracy in his time. China was ruled and controlled by foreigners. I have to disagree with you here. Whatever sins he may have committed after gaining power, that doesn’t take away from the fact that his ability to rally his fellow Chinese to gain their independence was the sign of a great leader. Obviously the western powers that were shafting the Chinese are going to disagree, and obviously they are not going to recognise it now, but looking at it objectively, the Chinese people rallied behind him for a reason.

Yes there was democracy, America, Britain, the whole of Europe was democratic. Australia, Brazil, India, Canada all were democratic. He could have run a democratic campaign, but for Mao, power was absolute, and he didn't allow anyone else to have the chance to rule, as it was his role to do that. Secondly, China had independance before 1949, the just changed the notion of what the Chinese state was. And finally, when you have a gun pointed at you, its very hard not to go along with what the gun toter is saying. Many Chinese were forced to go along with Mao's plans, otherwise they were shot.

As for the Japanese, as well as cars, they also make very sexy ladies, tasty food, imaginative love hotels, great izakayas, and well-run karaoke franchises.

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Sexy ladies? Japanese ladies are not good looking.

Furthermore, their society, if measured on the criteria of economic prosperity, social honesty, or creativity, is up there amongst the greatest societies on earth. Their only downside is that they don’t have the Steve Irwin style appreciation for the environment, and tend to be quite stressed out.

They also don't help each other, as a form of social shyness. For example, if someone fell down the stairs in Japan, people would feel sorry for them, but they wouldn't help them. In western societies, we would. An creativity? They just steal other contries ideas and make them faster. It isn't ingenious, it's called lower-wages and no workers rights.

 

[volcboy]

I am not saying monetary morality is right, but that is just the way the world is. Think otherwise, and you have your head in the sand. If fact, if there wasn’t so much money to be made out of researching the Greenhouse effect, or money to be lost as a result of its damage, you wouldn’t hear anything about it. In Australia, there are a lot more pressing environmental concerns, but because there is no money in them you don’t hear of them.

Anyway, if you want to reduce emissions, the answer is very simple. You just put everyone in high density apartments in high density cities. If you are not already living in an apartment, now is the time to start thinking about moving.

There are other pressing environmental concerns in Australia, some of which have a lot of money put into them (e.g. Murry/Darling River System, soil issues such as salinity/erosion etc.). However, if even the more conservative predictions about climate change eventuate, these current environmental issues will be very minor in comparison.

Living in higher densities has its advantages. However, remember that if everyone lives in large cities, ALL of their needs (food, clothing, building materials etc.) have to be transported to them using fossil-fuel dependant means. A much less fossil-fuel dependant way to live involves a more decentralised population living closer to their sources of food/fibre with more products being produced locally and less products travelling around the globe to reach them.

I do not live in a flat and will not be moving to one. I am moving shortly to a property in the country that will allow me to substantially contribute to my own food needs.

 

[stompie]

As others have said, this doesn't compare to the great leap forward.



Yes there was democracy, America, Britain, the whole of Europe was democratic. Australia, Brazil, India, Canada all were democratic. He could have run a democratic campaign, but for Mao, power was absolute, and he didn't allow anyone else to have the chance to rule, as it was his role to do that. Secondly, China had independance before 1949, the just changed the notion of what the Chinese state was. And finally, when you have a gun pointed at you, its very hard not to go along with what the gun toter is saying. Many Chinese were forced to go along with Mao's plans, otherwise they were shot.



I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Sexy ladies? Japanese ladies are not good looking.



They also don't help each other, as a form of social shyness. For example, if someone fell down the stairs in Japan, people would feel sorry for them, but they wouldn't help them. In western societies, we would. An creativity? They just steal other contries ideas and make them faster. It isn't ingenious, it's called lower-wages and no workers rights.

In regards to Japan, you are a typical close-minded left-winger that can only ever see the bad in everyone. It doesn’t matter what society you are put it, you will end up throwing mud on people, and having a whinge. You have no sense of respect, no sense of appreciation, and no motivation to see different view points. Your kind embarrassed me when I was in Japan, and I ended avoiding your ilk like the plague. Thankfully, there are less of your kind in China, but still there are enough of you to give the rest of us non-Asians a bad name.

By the way, I meant democracy in China. As for implementing democracy after a period of war, as you can see from Iraq, it is easier said than done. ****er!

 

[stompie]

There are other pressing environmental concerns in Australia, some of which have a lot of money put into them (e.g. Murry/Darling River System, soil issues such as salinity/erosion etc.). However, if even the more conservative predictions about climate change eventuate, these current environmental issues will be very minor in comparison.

Living in higher densities has its advantages. However, remember that if everyone lives in large cities, ALL of their needs (food, clothing, building materials etc.) have to be transported to them using fossil-fuel dependant means. A much less fossil-fuel dependant way to live involves a more decentralised population living closer to their sources of food/fibre with more products being produced locally and less products travelling around the globe to reach them.

I do not live in a flat and will not be moving to one. I am moving shortly to a property in the country that will allow me to substantially contribute to my own food needs.

Your form of lifestyle is going to be highly energy inefficient as you wont benefit from economies of scale. Your per capita emissions are going to be higher than the Australian average.

It isn’t a concern to me though. In fact I welcome it, as the Greenhouse effect will be a good thing.

 

[medusala]

For example, if someone fell down the stairs in Japan, people would feel sorry for them, but they wouldn't help them. In western societies, we would. An creativity? They just steal other contries ideas and make them faster. It isn't ingenious, it's called lower-wages and no workers rights.

Richo, how do you think Japanese wages compare to the rest of Asia not to mention much of the rest of the world?

 

[just maybe]

It isn’t a concern to me though. In fact I welcome it, as the Greenhouse effect will be a good thing.

Yes. Flooded cities, hundreds of millions of refugees around the world, millions of families' lives ruined and everything lost, mass spread of disease through loss of sanitation...and I could go on.

That's all a very good thing.

 

[stompie]

Yes. Flooded cities, hundreds of millions of refugees around the world, millions of families' lives ruined and everything lost, mass spread of disease through loss of sanitation...and I could go on.

That's all a very good thing.

Most of the world is that way already. If all goes to plan, it will just happen to different people. Yep, I can see it now. Lots of Europeans wanting to get to Africa, and then being forced to make do in the jungle in order to survive. Likewise, lots of Manly residents trying to get to Redfern, or Blacktown, but instead being locked up in detention centres. The Whitlams, Mannes, Greers and the Keatings of the world peering through iron bars, and pleading for some mercy, but receiving none!

Well, that is the ideal situation.I fear that the developed world may just adapt well, and build Venice like cities that see their property prices go up even more.

On the positive side, the change in distribution of arable land willgive the environment some chance to rejuvinate.

 

[just maybe]

Most of the world is that way already. If all goes to plan, it will just happen to different people. Yep, I can see it now. Lots of Europeans wanting to get to Africa, and then being forced to make do in the jungle in order to survive. Likewise, lots of Manly residents trying to get to Redfern, or Blacktown, but instead being locked up in detention centres. The Whitlams, Mannes, Greers and the Keatings of the world peering through iron bars, and pleading for some mercy, but receiving none!

Well, that is the ideal situation.I fear that the developed world may just adapt well, and build Venice like cities that see their property prices go up even more.

On the positive side, the change in distribution of arable land willgive the environment some chance to rejuvinate.

You're living in fairyland. Absolute dreamworld.

 

[stompie]

You're living in fairyland. Absolute dreamworld.

I know it is wishful thinking. How I yearn to see the Greers, the Mannes and the Whitlams behind bars and pleading for some mercy, but getting none. Sadly you are right, it is just a dream.

 

[just maybe]

I know it is wishful thinking. How I yearn to see the Greers, the Mannes and the Whitlams behind bars and pleading for some mercy, but getting none. Sadly you are right, it is just a dream.

Not only living in a dreamworld, but with dangerously warped fantasies as well.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Not only living in a dreamworld, but with dangerously warped fantasies as well.

On the original topic, Al Gore, has now said that people should stop smoking as it causes global warming.

 

[just maybe]

On the original topic, Al Gore, has now said that people should stop smoking as it causes global warming.

Context please?

Although given the number of people in the world smoking, the waste and pollution it causes...in a general sense, its probably true! Disgusting habit.

 

[Richo83]

In regards to Japan, you are a typical close-minded left-wing tosser that can only ever see the bad in everyone. It doesn’t matter what society you are put it, you will end up throwing mud on people, and having a whinge. You have no sense of respect, no sense of appreciation, and no motivation to see different view points. Your kind embarrassed me when I was in Japan, and I ended avoiding your ilk like the plague. Thankfully, there are less of your kind in China, but still there are enough of you to give the rest of us non-Asians a bad name.

Whoa, hang on before be pull out the knives for a lefties bashing, my opinons of Japanese people are not endorsed by fellow lefties, some I know live in Japan and live it.

My opinon of Japanese people comes from my expierience, I wasn't the best Japanese speaker but I tried, but they either laughed at me or didn't listen to me. I respect Japanese culture yes, but my expierience in Japan were that certan Japanese people were rude to me, I didn't have that expierience in China, but in Japan yes.

By the way, I meant democracy in China. As for implementing democracy after a period of war, as you can see from Iraq, it is easier said than done. ****er!

Okay then.

Richo, how do you think Japanese wages compare to the rest of Asia not to mention much of the rest of the world?

Med, when the Japanese were going through their post economic boom in the 40s and 50s, and started to mas produce electronic and whitegoods products, they still had low wages in their boom times. Now their wage standards have caught up with the west, but when Japan started to become an economic power in the 40s to 60s, they still had low wage rates, especially compared to the western world.

 

[stompie]

Whoa, hang on before be pull out the knives for a lefties bashing, my opinons of Japanese people are not endorsed by fellow lefties, some I know live in Japan and live it.

My opinon of Japanese people comes from my expierience, I wasn't the best Japanese speaker but I tried, but they either laughed at me or didn't listen to me. I respect Japanese culture yes, but my expierience in Japan were that certan Japanese people were rude to me, I didn't have that expierience in China, but in Japan yes.

I also had some bad experiences in Japan. Once I wasn’t allowed to go to a love hotel with my lady friend, as the ‘hands’ heard my gaijin voice and said no gaijins were allowed. It wasn’t a problem though. We just went the love hotel next door and I remained silent as we choose our room. In another example, on trains, I would sit down next to old people, and they would get up and sit somewhere else. At first I was worried that maybe I smelt bad, but then other gaijins told me it happens to everyone. I soon looked on the positive side, and enjoyed the extra space. Someone even pissed on my house door, and deflated my bike tyres. That was a bit annoying.

I wasn’t much of a Japanese speaker either. I tried, but they laughed, or they just said they didn’t speak any English. After a while, I then decided to use it to my advantage. Sometimes when I’d go into the convenience stores, point at the odin or something else and say in very bad Japanese: “boku wa tabetai munko desu.” It was enjoyable mixing all these rude words and pretending to be innocent about it, and seeing their shocked face as they tried to be polite about it.

Anyway, the bad three or four experiences were more than balanced out by about 1,000 great acts of hospitality from the Japanese. From what I’ve found, the lefties are the ones who just can’t forget about the bad experiences, or at the very least, they focus so much on them so that they ignore the good experiences. In fact, some of them get so focussed on being negative that they even get worked up about being called a gaijin instead of “gaikonjin”. It was so boring listening to them whinge all the time. I just wanted to put a piece of duct tape over their mouths so I could return to drinking my beer in piece. I can honestly say that the first Japanese girlfriend I had, who spoke no English, was more intellectually stimulating to talk to than the first left-wing gaijin girl I had over there.

For the lefty women, their difficulty is more understandable as they are sexually frustrated. They have a saying “all the foreign men are looking at Japanese girls. The Japanese men are looking at Japanese girls, and no one is looking at us.” If you were unable to appreciate Japanese women, I am assuming that you are a woman, or a gay man. When I first went there, I wasn’t attracted to Asian girls, but I don’t think there is a hetero man alive that could resist the feminine charms of the Japanese ladies day after day. I certainly couldn’t. They wore me down, twisted me about their little fingers, and to be honest, I quite enjoyed it.

 

[just maybe]

From what I’ve found, the lefties are the ones who just can’t forget about the bad experiences, or at the very least, they focus so much on them so that they ignore the good experiences.

Laughable claim. Considering it is a right-wing trait to stereotype a majority with the actions of a difficult minority, your claim doesn't hold water.

For the lefty women, their difficulty is more understandable as they are sexually frustrated.

From the sound of this statement you just haven't been able to get in the pants of a leftie girl and it has left you sexually frustrated and bitter about them.

It's quite easy to see through your proclamations.

 

[stompie]

Laughable claim. Considering it is a right-wing trait to stereotype a majority with the actions of a difficult minority, your claim doesn't hold water.

Disgaree. It is only the lefties. These lefties want to see the bad in right-wingers so they make up untrue stereotypes about them. You are the classic example.

From the sound of this statement you just haven't been able to get in the pants of a leftie girl and it has left you sexually frustrated and bitter about them.

It's quite easy to see through your proclamations.

To the contrary, when I was young and naive, I had numerous bad experiences with lefty women. Like many unfortunate men in Australia, I had been socialised to believe that having a strong opinion, no matter how generic, was a sign of intelligence. I had also been brought up to think men should pursue intelligence in women. In my youthful foolishness, I naturally went for left-wing women.

It was in Japan listening to one such woman whinge away that I had my epiphany. Lefty women are not intelligent. Nothing they say is original. Listening to them is like listening to a broken record. Furthermore, there is more to a relationship than intellectual stimulation, and aside from sex, lefty women have no idea what this is.

With my new found awareness, I soon replaced this left-wing Aussie sheila with a Japanese lady that spoke no English, and I have never looked back.

 

[just maybe]

Disgaree. It is only the lefties. These lefties want to see the bad in right-wingers so they make up untrue stereotypes about them. You are the classic example.

Nope. Weak attempt. Just look at this board to see I am correct - the right-wingers slag off Islam, Aboriginals, Arabs and so forth based on the actions of the few.

Absolutely clear-cut.

To the contrary, when I was young and naive, I had numerous bad experiences with lefty women. Like many unfortunate men in Australia, I had been socialised to believe that having a strong opinion, no matter how generic, was a sign of intelligence. I had also been brought up to think men should pursue intelligence in women. In my youthful foolishness, I naturally went for left-wing women.

Ah, I see how you are sexually frustrated now.

It was in Japan listening to one such woman whinge away that I had my epiphany. Lefty women are not intelligent. Nothing they say is original. Listening to them is like listening to a broken record. Furthermore, there is more to a relationship than intellectual stimulation, and aside from sex, lefty women have no idea what this is.

With my new found awareness, I soon replaced this left-wing Aussie sheila with a Japanese lady that spoke no English, and I have never looked back.

And there's that bunch of stereotyping again, just like I mentioned above.

You choose one girl (who I suspect may not exist) and use her to stereotype and degrade a whole segment of the population.

Thank you for providing proof perfect of my comment about right-wingers and that you hate lefty women because they gave you nothing.

 

[stompie]

Nope. Weak attempt. Just look at this board to see I am correct - the right-wingers slag off Islam, Aboriginals, Arabs and so forth based on the actions of the few.

Absolutely clear-cut.

Yes. Clear cut. You are slaging off right-wingers again based upon the actions of a few.

Ah, I see how you are sexually frustrated now.

True. I can't find any Japanese women in China, and Chinese ladies, although very interesting to talk to, and kind hearted, are just not for me.

I'm trying to find an Asian Australian at the moment. I've found that these lovely ladies haven't yet adopted the left-wing mantra that destroys their feminity, yet they have adopted Australia's relaxed attitude to things. Unfortunately, it is not always easy identifying the Australian Asians over here.

And there's that bunch of stereotyping again, just like I mentioned above.

You choose one girl (who I suspect may not exist) and use her to stereotype and degrade a whole segment of the population.

Thank you for providing proof perfect of my comment about right-wingers and that you hate lefty women because they gave you nothing.

I wouldn't disregard a whole sub-culture based upon one individual. However when the pattern remains consistent from one person to the next, and it is almost impossible to find a positive, then you have to conclude that it isn't a stereotype.

 

[just maybe]

Yes. Clear cut. You are slaging off right-wingers again based upon the actions of a few.

Nope, not all right-wingers do this. But it is a more common right-wing trait.

True. I can't find any Japanese women in China, and Chinese ladies, although very interesting to talk to, and kind hearted, are just not for me.

I'm trying to find an Asian Australian at the moment. I've found that these lovely ladies haven't yet adopted the left-wing mantra that destroys their feminity, yet they have adopted Australia's relaxed attitude to things. Unfortunately, it is not always easy identifying the Australian Asians over here.

That trait shines through again.

I wouldn't disregard a whole sub-culture based upon one individual. However when the pattern remains consistent from one person to the next, and it is almost impossible to find a positive, then you have to conclude that it isn't a stereotype.

Thank you again for proving you both demonstrate the trait and that you grossly stereotype others because they sexually frustrate you.

 

[stompie]

Nope, not all right-wingers do this. But it is a more common right-wing trait.



That trait shines through again.



Thank you again for proving you both demonstrate the trait and that you grossly stereotype others because they sexually frustrate you.

You are a shining example of how the left always looks on the negative side. You should be happy here, and you should also wish there were more of my kind in the world. If you a man, people with my attitude ensures that you have little competition for left-wing Caucasian women. If you are a Caucasian woman, then you should be happy that there is one less man who is going to waste your time. If you are a lesbian woman, then you can further use my appreciation for Asian femininity as an excuse to rant against the superficiality of man, and thereby affirm your reasons for choosing women over men.

Yep, whatever way you look at it, you should be pleased to hear what I am saying. It is win/win/win. But as I just said, the fact that you don’t seem pleased once more proves that left-wingers always want to be miserable.

Anyway, the left-wing sheilas are all yours. Enjoy!- (if that is possible for a left-winger)

 

[just maybe]

You are a shining example of how the left always looks on the negative side.

I wasn't the one just bitching about the negatives of people who don't share your narrow worldview

You should be happy here, and you should also wish there were more of my kind in the world. If you a man, people with my attitude ensures that you have little competition for left-wing Caucasian women. If you are a Caucasian woman, then you should be happy that there is one less man who is going to waste your time. If you are a lesbian woman, then you can further use my appreciation for Asian femininity as an excuse to rant against the superficiality of man, and thereby affirm your reasons for choosing women over men.

I'm not being negative. Just pointing out the hilarious flaws in your argument.

Yep, whatever way you look at it, you should be pleased to hear what I am saying. It is win/win/win. But as I just said, the fact that you don’t seem pleased once more proves that left-wingers always want to be miserable.

Anyway, the left-wing sheilas are all yours. Enjoy!- (if that is possible for a left-winger)

I'm not a left-winger, and I don't pursue women based on their political preferences. My current girlfriend is not political at all, despite my being highly political. Doesn't bother me though.

You just keep typifying the very traits you insult others with, and you also degrade other groups based on sexual frustration. It's very disappointing and I only want to correct your assumptions.

 

[Monkster]

none of the last few posts have anything to do with Al Gores movie or Global Warming, cut it out both of you, the posts will survive to serve as a an example of the type of behaviour that will not be tolerated.

 

[stompie]

none of the last few posts have anything to do with Al Gores movie or Global Warming, cut it out both of you, the posts will survive to serve as a an example of the type of behaviour that will not be tolerated.

I beg to differ. We are debating the ideology of the left, which is what the whole film is about. I’m arguing that the left is always negative, and lives in fear, hence they have created a scare campaign that the world is about the end as a result of water levels rising a meter or so. Of course, the lefties are in denial so they argue that they are not ideologically driven, and are instead driven by ‘logic’ and ‘facts.’

In order to open the left’s mind to the fear and loathing of their ideology, we have needed to digress into different arenas in order to show how the left is both uniform and predictable in its expression. Once these facts of the left have been illustrated, we can return to the Gore’s film and conclude that, yes, it isn’t so much about science, but more about the left-wing personality that needs to live in fear, and gain status in negativity.

Now, just opening the mind is not sufficient to exert persuasion. Although it may be fact that the left is governed by fear and loathing, and the lefties may realise it, they wont stop living in fear and loathing while there is social status in that state of being. So in order to achieve the desired persuasion, we have tried to deconstruct the desirability of the left-wing persona by discussing it in regards to sexual desirability. Once that status is deconstructed, we can look forward to the rise in sea levels with the optimistic eyes that we should have. Furthermore, we will not have to be continually bothered with negative documentaries by Americans who just sound like a broken record. I first heard of the Greenhouse effect about 20 years ago. It isn't exactly breaking news now is it.

 

[just maybe]

I beg to differ. We are debating the ideology of the left, which is what the whole film is about. I’m arguing that the left is always negative, and lives in fear, hence they have created a scare campaign that the world is about the end as a result of water levels rising a meter or so. Of course, the lefties are in denial so they argue that they are not ideologically driven, and are instead driven by ‘logic’ and ‘facts.’

Scare campaign? What, like terrorists around the corner?

Hahahah.

In order to open the left’s mind to the fear and loathing of their ideology, we have needed to digress into different arenas in order to show how the left is both uniform and predictable in its expression. Once these facts of the left have been illustrated, we can return to the Gore’s film and conclude that, yes, it isn’t so much about science, but more about the left-wing personality that needs to live in fear, and gain status in negativity.

Except you've failed dismally and only made these accusations you claim appear to represent you and your kind.

Now, just opening the mind is not sufficient to exert persuasion. Although it may be fact that the left is governed by fear and loathing, and the lefties may realise it, they wont stop living in fear and loathing while there is social status in that state of being. So in order to achieve the desired persuasion, we have tried to deconstruct the desirability of the left-wing persona by discussing it in regards to sexual desirability. Once that status is deconstructed, we can look forward to the rise in sea levels with the optimistic eyes that we should have. Furthermore, we will not have to be continually bothered with negative documentaries by Americans who just sound like a broken record. I first heard of the Greenhouse effect about 20 years ago. It isn't exactly breaking news now is it.

And back to the fantasyworld you live in...

 

[Monkster]

I beg to differ. We are debating the ideology of the left, which is what the whole film is about. I’m arguing that the left is always negative, and lives in fear, hence they have created a scare campaign that the world is about the end as a result of water levels rising a meter or so. Of course, the lefties are in denial so they argue that they are not ideologically driven, and are instead driven by ‘logic’ and ‘facts.’

Your sex life has no part to play in global warming, nor does it have anything to do with the idealogy of the left wing.