An inconvenient truth

[Corpuscles]

I would urge anyone who can afford the $15 ... to get along and see this documentary.

In regard to global warming and the implications

• If you are confused or uninformed .. then this will give you easy to follow facts...
• If you don't care ... will give you plenty of motivation to CARE
• If you are a raving, tree hugging, hairy arm-pitted ,greeny that can't make a sensible arguement ... it will give you a clue on how to present a rational case.
• If you are a sceptic or absolute opponent of the issue... then take notes and realise what FACTS you have to refute... for your opinion to count

Don't take my word for it.... it is highly rated and does not ( other than a very small swipe) have a political bias....!!!

A MUST SEE

 

[stompie]

I would urge anyone who can afford the $15 ... to get along and see this documentary.

In regard to global warming and the implications

• If you are confused or uninformed .. then this will give you easy to follow facts...
• If you don't care ... will give you plenty of motivation to CARE
• If you are a raving, tree hugging, hairy arm-pitted ,greeny that can't make a sensible arguement ... it will give you a clue on how to present a rational case.
• If you are a sceptic or absolute opponent of the issue... then take notes and realise what FACTS you have to refute... for your opinion to count

Don't take my word for it.... it is highly rated and does not ( other than a very small swipe) have a political bias....!!!

A MUST SEE

Personally, I wont be going because I’ve heard all these arguments for years, and I’ve accepted that they are true. Consequently, more people going on about global warming just sounds like a broken record to me. I want to hear something different.

In any case, I disagree that global warming is a bad thing. The environment needs change in order to rejuvenate itself. If it doesn’t have change, the rivers will become more polluted, the soils more leached, and the forests cut down until none are left. Environments without change become stagnant cesspools without life.

So, if an environmentally-conscious politician comes out and advocates increasing CO2 emissions, he or she will have my vote. As for your timid characters that life in fear of change, well, perhaps its time to invest in another security blanket.

 

[Corpuscles]

Personally, I wont be going because I’ve heard all these arguments for years, and I’ve accepted that they are true. Consequently, more people going on about global warming just sounds like a broken record to me. I want to hear something different.

In any case, I disagree that global warming is a bad thing. The environment needs change in order to rejuvenate itself. If it doesn’t have change, the rivers will become more polluted, the soils more leached, and the forests cut down until none are left. Environments without change become stagnant cesspools without life.

So, if an environmentally-conscious politician comes out and advocates increasing CO2 emissions, he or she will have my vote. As for your timid characters that life in fear of change, well, perhaps its time to invest in another security blanket.

I challenge you to see it.... it will change your mind.... unless you are simply delusional and wanting to troll.

If you have some rational reason for wanting increased CO2 emissions then I would be interested in why?

 

[MightyFighting]

Stompie is one of those posters who I can never figure out whether he is real or not.


But if he is...

 

[barwick]

I have seen it and it is an eye opener, basically we live on this planet and we dont have any where to go so we might as well make the most of what we have, it comes down to money so we can keep on making money and keep employing people if that is the most important thing in our lives or we can change and help our planet for our kids and thier kids to enjoy, once its gone its gone forever.

 

[stompie]

I challenge you to see it.... it will change your mind.... unless you are simply delusional and wanting to troll.

If you have some rational reason for wanting increased CO2 emissions then I would be interested in why?

I just told you. C02 will bring about change, and change is good. Change brings opportunities, and allows for the environment to rejuvinate. There will be losers, and there will be winners.

 

[Marns]

I might see it, but really have no need to. I'd rather pay for our "world leaders" to see it, to be honest. They're the ones that can make the biggest difference, no use preaching to the converted, ie. me.

 

[MightyFighting]

I just told you. C02 will bring about change, and change is good. Change brings opportunities, and allows for the environment to rejuvinate. There will be losers, and there will be winners.

However, and this is the point I hope you're not getting, the only "winners" may not be human.

 

[camsmith]

Here we go again... Lets see:

I would urge anyone who can afford the $15 ... to get along and see this documentary.

I might hire the "horror" flick when it comes out on DVD. Wont get me paying $15 for it when i can simply read the same arguments on the net, which then gets copied here from various people.

In regard to global warming and the implications

If you are confused or uninformed .. then this will give you easy to follow facts...

Before you swallow what Gore says in the horror film i should hope anyone who is ill-informed would do a bit of research to see the "facts" behind what Mr Gore says.

If you don't care ... will give you plenty of motivation to CARE

I care about the fact Gore needs to exaggerate things to get a point across. If it was that bad he wouldn't need to go to such lengths.

If you are a raving, tree hugging, hairy arm-pitted ,greeny that can't make a sensible arguement ... it will give you a clue on how to present a rational case.

Um, You expect them to give up their money that would otherwise be smoked away in bongs, to go see some scary movie? I dont think so.

Also if you need a film like this to improve your arguing skills about GW then you are already in trouble.

If you are a sceptic or absolute opponent of the issue... then take notes and realise what FACTS you have to refute... for your opinion to count

Careful there, "facts" is a word Gore doesn't like hearing.

Don't take my word for it.... it is highly rated

One and a half stars in the HUN, but they're just biased right

and does not ( other than a very small swipe) have a political bias....!!!

No political bias? The whole myth is based on politics.

A MUST SEE

Nah, a REAL story like "United 93" is a MUST SEE.

If i wanted to see a horror flick I'd go and see nightmare on elm street or something... not this piece of propoganda. (Yes there is a question of how he was funded, but still raises some valid points)

Look forward to the usual replies.

 

[Richo83]

I might see it, but really have no need to. I'd rather pay for our "world leaders" to see it, to be honest. They're the ones that can make the biggest difference, no use preaching to the converted, ie. me.

Same. I'll go see it, but I already agree with Al Gore, so it's not like I'm one of the people that needs convincing, just look at the melting of the polar caps as evidence to see how Gore is onto a good thing.

Stompie, I can't see how global warming is a good thing, especially as it is to blame for the melting of the ice caps and shhift of global climates, which has helpled destroy biospheres in the Amazon, Scandanavia and Indonesia. It has also raised the temperatures in parts of Africa, endangering many African forests and their animal speces.

And change? The environment has never had to change like it is begin changed now because of human intervention. Before, climate change was a natural and slow process, but now it is being caused by human intervention, and the environmental effects are unprecedented. For example C02 levels are over 300ppmv when before 1800, the highest levels was something like 130ppmv, clearly this is not a natural or healthy change.

 

[stompie]

Same. I'll go see it, but I already agree with Al Gore, so it's not like I'm one of the people that needs convincing, just look at the melting of the polar caps as evidence to see how Gore is onto a good thing.

Stompie, I can't see how global warming is a good thing, especially as it is to blame for the melting of the ice caps and shhift of global climates, which has helpled destroy biospheres in the Amazon, Scandanavia and Indonesia. It has also raised the temperatures in parts of Africa, endangering many African forests and their animal speces.

And change? The environment has never had to change like it is begin changed now because of human intervention. Before, climate change was a natural and slow process, but now it is being caused by human intervention, and the environmental effects are unprecedented. For example C02 levels are over 300ppmv when before 1800, the highest levels was something like 130ppmv, clearly this is not a natural or healthy change.

For me, it doesn’t really matter if it is slow or not. For example, if the rapid climate change causes a region like Sydney to suffer drought conditions overnight, there is still massive scope for Sydney siders to cut their water usage, and recycle water, before they are going to die. It is not as though they are running on the smell of fresh water as it is now. Plenty of room to tighten their belts.

While some areas might suffer drought, the actual net rainfall around the world will increase. Consequently, some areas are going to suffer more severe flooding. Although this has a downside, it also brings new nutrients from other areas, and it washes the land clean of pollutants.

Some areas are also going to be sunk underwater. Perhaps Manly in Sydney might be one such area. Again, this is not a concern as it is mostly tossers that live around there. While Manly may suffer, different areas when then discover they are beachfront, and local residents will relish the rise in their property values. Then again, maybe Manly will try to resist the inevitable by making a little Venice on Sydney’s north shore. This would be a travesty, as the tossers would probably then see a rise in their property values - much to the annoyance of those who want to see them suffer.

Long term, if the polar ice caps melt, then perhaps Antarctica becomes a good place to live. I think it might be a while before that happens though, so I wouldn’t be rushing out build a dairy farm down there just yet.

Europe might get plunged into an ice age if currents change direction. This would be a bit of a bugger for them. Perhaps the ice-age conditions might force them to open their markets to agricultural imports from Africa, and in so doing, help alleviate third-world poverty. If worse comes to worse, they might become refugees, and jump on boats hoping to get to Africa. In which case, it might be wise to be nice to the Africans now. They shouldn’t bother us in Australia though, as they are too far away to jump on boats in the hope of making it to Darwin.

 

[camsmith]

just look at the melting of the polar caps as evidence to see how Gore is onto a good thing.

That tells us that we are still coming out of a mini Ice-Age..

For example C02 levels are over 300ppmv when before 1800, the highest levels was something like 130ppmv, clearly this is not a natural or healthy change.

450 million years ago CO2 levels are believed to be 10 times the levels they are today. Thing is, thats when the earth was going though one of its coldest periods.

During the 20th century the mean global temperature has "warmed" by about one degree. Half of that warming took place before 1940, yet most of the man-made green house gas emissions occurred after 1940 - Which then as we all know the world then "cooled" until 1970.

I hate repeating myself.

 

[Didga]

Whether the earth is hot or cold has more to do with the location of the continents and the ocean currents then the level of CO2 in the atomsphere. CO2 however is not a benign gas but has a geeen house effect and any rapid increase in CO2 including man made increases will cause rapid climate change. Humanity will have to adjust to this and overall it will find it tough.

 

[stompie]

Whether the earth is hot or cold has more to do with the location of the continents and the ocean currents then the level of CO2 in the atomsphere. CO2 however is not a benign gas but has a geeen house effect and any rapid increase in CO2 including man made increases will cause rapid climate change. Humanity will have to adjust to this and overall it will find it tough.

I think there has been an under-estimation of the resilience of humanity, as well as the rest of the environmental world. Different populations around the world have dealt with massive changes to their life over-night, and they do survive. For example, when communism collapsed overnight in the Soviet Union, many people went from a stable life, and food on the house to eating nothing but stale bread. When the tsunami hit Asia, it did so with a force and power that the Greenhouse effect will never match. Yet still, the percentage of Asians who lost their lives and livelihoods was very small. In Japan, earthquakes have repeatedly flattened the cities, and a massive quake is expected to cause serious damage to Tokyo anytime now. But no matter how bad it is, I know the Japanese will pick themselves up and rebuild.

I just don’t see the point of worrying about it all. Some of you might be worried that the Greenhouse effect might increase the chance of a strong cyclone killing you, but realistically, there is more chance of you going for a snorkel and getting killed by a stingray. You might be worried that rising water levels might affect the property values of your house, but is probably more likely that you will get a termite infestation, and your house will be condemned anyway.

 

[Marns]

That tells us that we are still coming out of a mini Ice-Age..

So we'd be better off with no ice, and much of the land that currently is just that, underwater in years to come?

 

[camsmith]

So we'd be better off with no ice, and much of the land that currently is just that, underwater in years to come?

Its doubtful that the slight warming that has occurred in the last 30 years will continue. If it does for some reason, we will just have to learn to adapt.

Animals learn to adapt all the time, like the many that were brought over to Australia from foreign countries. I see no reason why we couldn't also.

The reason we need to adapt is because so far, regardless of the latest global warming craze that seems to be sweeping the world, we have no evidence that humans can change the temperature.

As Paleoclimatologist Tim Patterson testified at the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development; "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame"

He isn't alone.

 

[medusala]

Before, climate change was a natural and slow process, but now it is being caused by human intervention, and the environmental effects are unprecedented. For example C02 levels are over 300ppmv when before 1800, the highest levels was something like 130ppmv, clearly this is not a natural or healthy change.

Yet some scientists ask some disturbing questions such as: if the world is hotter than its ever been how is the period explained where Greenland was extensively farmed (and thus derived its name)? Why didnt the lack of ice correlate to such high sea levels as predicted by so many models?

On a slight tangent its interesting to note the views of greenies re what to do about it.

Hydro is obviously very bad, nuclear is extremely bad, coal is horrendous and now it seems wind farms arent acceptable either.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1874483,00.html

The Ramblers' Association is set to announce its opposition to the construction of onshore wind farms across the country. The move is a major blow for the government, which is struggling to maintain its pledge to increase the amount of electricity generated by renewable energy sources.

 

[Kangaroopit]

I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. However, I saw the pictures of Kilimanjaro from 30 years ago, and again from today, meant to show how the snow has all melted in the past thirty years, and I just wanted to ask anyone who's seen it if he says which time of year the photos were taken. The snows on Kilimanjaro melt seasonally, and come back each year. Without dates, those photos mean little.

Anyone?

 

[London Dave]

Yet some scientists ask some disturbing questions such as: if the world is hotter than its ever been how is the period explained where Greenland was extensively farmed (and thus derived its name)?

I believe Greenland was named as such precisely because it wasn't. Remember, the guys who 'found' it were essentially real estate developers!

On the Gore film, I found it pretty good. food for thought and action for sure.

 

[medusala]

I believe Greenland was named as such precisely because it wasn't. Remember, the guys who 'found' it were essentially real estate developers!

Not the greatest source but it paints a picture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

Icelandic settlers found the land uninhabited when they arrived ca. 982. They established three settlements near the very southwestern tip of the island, where they thrived for the next few centuries, disappearing after over 450 years of habitation.

The fjords of the southern part of the island were lush and had a warmer climate at that time, possibly due to what was called the Medieval Warm Period. These remote communities thrived and lived off farming, hunting and trading with the motherland, and when the Scandinavian monarchs converted their domains to Christianity, a bishop was installed in Greenland as well. The settlements seem to have coexisted relatively peacefully with the Inuit, who had migrated southwards from the Arctic islands of North America around 1200. In 1261, Greenland became part of the Kingdom of Norway. Norway in turn entered into the Kalmar Union in 1397 and later the personal union of Denmark-Norway.

After almost five hundred years, the Scandinavian settlements simply vanished, possibly due to famine during the 15th century in the Little Ice Age, when climatic conditions deteriorated, and contact with Europe was lost.

 

[MightyFighting]

Not the greatest source but it paints a picture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

Icelandic settlers found the land uninhabited when they arrived ca. 982. They established three settlements near the very southwestern tip of the island, where they thrived for the next few centuries, disappearing after over 450 years of habitation.

The fjords of the southern part of the island were lush and had a warmer climate at that time, possibly due to what was called the Medieval Warm Period. These remote communities thrived and lived off farming, hunting and trading with the motherland, and when the Scandinavian monarchs converted their domains to Christianity, a bishop was installed in Greenland as well. The settlements seem to have coexisted relatively peacefully with the Inuit, who had migrated southwards from the Arctic islands of North America around 1200. In 1261, Greenland became part of the Kingdom of Norway. Norway in turn entered into the Kalmar Union in 1397 and later the personal union of Denmark-Norway.

After almost five hundred years, the Scandinavian settlements simply vanished, possibly due to famine during the 15th century in the Little Ice Age, when climatic conditions deteriorated, and contact with Europe was lost.

Iunderstand that it was more hospitable than it is now, but it was still icy and tree-less.

Notice that it's further north than Iceland.

 

[Corpuscles]

I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. However, I saw the pictures of Kilimanjaro from 30 years ago, and again from today, meant to show how the snow has all melted in the past thirty years, and I just wanted to ask anyone who's seen it if he says which time of year the photos were taken. The snows on Kilimanjaro melt seasonally, and come back each year. Without dates, those photos mean little.

Anyone?

You have seen a promo.... after you see the full doco.... you will not have to ask this question.

I am reluctant to steal the doco's thunder.... yes Gore does allude to the fact that some parts might be exaggerated.... but acknowledges those bits and clearly explains why.

For all those so "certain" that it is BS, political, or even wrong.... then... PLEASE make sure you can refute the claims ... BY HAVING THE GUTS to go and sit through it.... it is not made for those already persuaded... it is simple logical, and a challenge for those who disagree! ( hell you come on BF to present your aguement so you obviously enjoy debate... take the challenge!)

For those in disagreement, IT will probably change the way you view the world... and you will be GLAD you did! ...

 

[stompie]

On a slight tangent its interesting to note the views of greenies re what to do about it.

Hydro is obviously very bad, nuclear is extremely bad, coal is horrendous and now it seems wind farms arent acceptable either.

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Says a lot about their psychology. Everything is bad. Nothing is good. Oppose everything. Support nothing.

 

[MightyFighting]

On a slight tangent its interesting to note the views of greenies re what to do about it.

Hydro is obviously very bad, nuclear is extremely bad, coal is horrendous and now it seems wind farms arent acceptable either.

I think that, to a certain extent, you're taking the taking the objections of various different groups and treating them as if they've all come from the one group. (Particularly when it comes to wind farms.)

 

[Corpuscles]

On a slight tangent its interesting to note the views of greenies re what to do about it.

Hydro is obviously very bad, nuclear is extremely bad, coal is horrendous and now it seems wind farms arent acceptable either.

QUOTE]

Says a lot about their psychology. Everything is bad. Nothing is good. Oppose everything. Support nothing.

Stompie, in the last 10 minutes of the doco.... you will get the answer to this. There is a very positive clear way forward.

It will be the best $15 you have ever spent... and no I do not blame or criticise your right to be skeptical or arguementative... (I have been similiar in times past)...if I could send you the admission price I would...it will help solve a lot of your misunderstanding!