Opinion Andrew Gaff's hit - should we introduce a red card system?

[Kappa]

Then the game will become like rugby we’re they stop it every 5 minuets to check something. It will turn the game in to a snooze fest

How many Jonas/Hall/Gaff incidents have their been in the past 10 years?

It's actually stupid to not have a red card system, right now any team could get their 3 worst players to go out and king hit/take out the best 3 opponents on grand final day and virtually guarantee a free premiership 22v19 with no repercussions until the next year. That's the system we have right now.

 

[Robroy22]

How many Jonas/Hall/Gaff incidents have their been in the past 10 years?

It's actually stupid to not have a red card system, right now any team could get their 3 worst players to go out and king hit/take out the best 3 opponents on grand final day and virtually guarantee a free premiership 22v19 with no repercussions until the next year. That's the system we have right now.

You mean like Geelong did in '89? How'd that work for them then?
Or like Essendon did in 1990?

That cowardly stuff rarely wins. Hamstrings on the other hand

 

[sideswipe]

You mean like Geelong did in '89? How'd that work for them then?
Or like Essendon did in 1990?

That cowardly stuff rarely wins. Hamstrings on the other hand

From the stories I have been told, not sure we were beyond reproach in '58?

 

[loki04]

You bolded the wrong bits. The bit that needed to be bolded was the part about self defence needing to be a reasonable response in the circumstances.

Don't think I'm being silly fwiw and hard to believe it isn't a 'real life situation' when you have a young kid in hospital requiring surgery for a broken jaw and years of painful and expensive dental work ahead. Gaff probably is a good bloke but it's illogical that a white line should protect anybody from actions that would otherwise likely see imprisonment in any other circumstances.

Yep Brayshaw was unlucky, I've seen much much harder and ill intended strikes not do near the dmg.

If that was on the street and Brayshaw was doing what he did a single strike could be used as reasonable response.
Brayshaw whacked Gaff when gaff whacked him chest 10secs earlier.
Brayshaw was using forceful bumps to continually hit and block gaffs path do that on the street and see how you fair bud!
Lol I bet someone puts you on your ass then when it goes to court the judge will quash it and likely put an avo on your ass.
If you are assaulted you can strike back so long as you don't continue to do so, especially given the footage he could argue his intent was a body shot not face!
If gaff jumped on Brayshaw and continued to strike then it is considered revenge rather then defense.

 

[loki04]

How many Jonas/Hall/Gaff incidents have their been in the past 10 years?

It's actually stupid to not have a red card system, right now any team could get their 3 worst players to go out and king hit/take out the best 3 opponents on grand final day and virtually guarantee a free premiership 22v19 with no repercussions until the next year. That's the system we have right now.

I guess the repercussions are that the other team can do the same.
Mostly that alone is a strong detterent.

If it wasn't there would be much more then 3 in 20 years...

Red cards wont stop your scenario anyway...get your worst player to KO their best player in a GF sure you lose ya 22nd player to red card but they lose Dustin Martin.

 

[ThexderX]

Answer to OP = Hell no!

We over react to everything - for the one of two incidents every 5 years, do we really need to bring in another rule to be poorly interpreted and create even more angst.

We can't even get the rules we have correct, let along bringing in something like this that might cost a team a game/finals/premiership.

Can you imagine someone like Alex Rance - he's be diving every 5 seconds trying to send someone off..

 

[Robroy22]

From the stories I have been told, not sure we were beyond reproach in '58?

I didn't see any king-hits in '58. Hooker and Barassi stood toe to toe chucking them a few times and they just warred all day. Weed ran through a few blokes but they knew what was coming when he tackled them. The little sly elbows and things like that were mainly aimed at Thorald and Kenny (our little blokes)

 

[domin8tors]

if they introduce any rule it should just be the 3rd man in rule..

 

[Kappa]

I guess the repercussions are that the other team can do the same.
Mostly that alone is a strong detterent.

If it wasn't there would be much more then 3 in 20 years...

Red cards wont stop your scenario anyway...get your worst player to KO their best player in a GF sure you lose ya 22nd player to red card but they lose Dustin Martin.

21 v 21 is much better than 21 v 22, it's certainly not a reason not to do it

 

[Kappa]

Answer to OP = Hell no!

We over react to everything - for the one of two incidents every 5 years, do we really need to bring in another rule to be poorly interpreted and create even more angst.

We can't even get the rules we have correct, let along bringing in something like this that might cost a team a game/finals/premiership.

Can you imagine someone like Alex Rance - he's be diving every 5 seconds trying to send someone off..

It's not an overreaction, taking out an opponent in a dirty fashion should NOT get your team a huge advantage for the rest of the game, it's just nonsensical.

 

[ZEV]

Yep Brayshaw was unlucky, I've seen much much harder and ill intended strikes not do near the dmg.

If that was on the street and Brayshaw was doing what he did a single strike could be used as reasonable response.
Brayshaw whacked Gaff when gaff whacked him chest 10secs earlier.
Brayshaw was using forceful bumps to continually hit and block gaffs path do that on the street and see how you fair bud!
Lol I bet someone puts you on your ass then when it goes to court the judge will quash it and likely put an avo on your ass.
If you are assaulted you can strike back so long as you don't continue to do so, especially given the footage he could argue his intent was a body shot not face!
If gaff jumped on Brayshaw and continued to strike then it is considered revenge rather then defense.

What I don't really understand is why an 18 year old, first year, second round draft pick was playing a defensive role on Gaff in the first place?

 

[Seedsfan]

How many Jonas/Hall/Gaff incidents have their been in the past 10 years?

It's actually stupid to not have a red card system, right now any team could get their 3 worst players to go out and king hit/take out the best 3 opponents on grand final day and virtually guarantee a free premiership 22v19 with no repercussions until the next year. That's the system we have right now.

Yeah but you bring it in for one thing and it’s the thin edge of the wedge. Soon the third umpire will be stopping play to assess everything. Also you know what there have been 120 odd grand finals and none have been decided by a king hit so don’t give me that crap

 

[Seedsfan]

Do you think there will be multiple punching incidents several times in every game?

If a red card was introduced there would be 1 or 2 per year

It’s not about the ones they play it’s about all the unnecessary stops in play we will have to look at shit. It is a terrible idea

 

[Seedsfan]

How many Gaff incidents have we had this year?

What and that proves your argument does it. If it’s so rare what’s the old saying? If it ain’t broke.....

 

[CFC2010]

What and that proves your argument does it. If it’s so rare what’s the old saying? If it ain’t broke.....

Let me know how you feel if Cotchin does a Gaff to Pendles in the Grand Final this year.

 

[ThexderX]

It's not an overreaction, taking out an opponent in a dirty fashion should NOT get your team a huge advantage for the rest of the game, it's just nonsensical.

Yep, we just dozens of blokes knocked out behind the play every week.....

 

[Kappa]

Yeah but you bring it in for one thing and it’s the thin edge of the wedge. Soon the third umpire will be stopping play to assess everything. Also you know what there have been 120 odd grand finals and none have been decided by a king hit so don’t give me that crap

No grand finals have been decided through dirty thuggery? Are you SURE?

As has already been explained, clearly a 3rd umpire doesn't need to stop play to investigate an incident. Play can continue for 1-2 minutes while the umpire watches the reply and makes a decision then the on-field umpire relays that at the next stoppage.

 

[Kappa]

Yep, we just dozens of blokes knocked out behind the play every week.....

Why does being rare mean it shouldn't be a rule? What's wrong with a good rule that only comes into effect rarely?

 

[Kappa]

What and that proves your argument does it. If it’s so rare what’s the old saying? If it ain’t broke.....

What on earth is this logic? Just because something is rare doesn't mean it's not broken. King hits behind play are rare because most AFL players are not scum, it doesn't mean the system in place is good.

 

[ThexderX]

Why does being rare mean it shouldn't be a rule? What's wrong with a good rule that only comes into effect rarely?

Give me specifics.

What if a bloke gets tripped and his leg is broken...send off? How do you know it was deliberate or just a natural reaction to changing direction.

What if someone throws his head back exagerratng a free and accidentally breaks a blokes jaw. Total accident or intentional?

How does the AFL determine what is a send off offence....we’ll be all on this board screaming our heads off when one of our blokes is sent off for a genuine accident.

 

[Kappa]

Give me specifics.

What if a bloke gets tripped and his leg is broken...send off? How do you know it was deliberate or just a natural reaction to changing direction.

What if someone throws his head back exagerratng a free and accidentally breaks a blokes jaw. Total accident or intentional?

How does the AFL determine what is a send off offence....we’ll be all on this board screaming our heads off when one of our blokes is sent off for a genuine accident.

It's really not that complicated, any incident that a player would be looking at a very serious suspension would be considering for send offs. Clearly tripping and accidental head clashes are not the same as punching or kicking someone in the head.

 

[ThexderX]

It's really not that complicated, any incident that a player would be looking at a very serious suspension would be considering for send offs. Clearly tripping and accidental head contact are not the same as punching or kicking someone in the head.

Everything in our game ends up complicated.

In theory the goal review system is easy...stuff ups every week.

I understand what you’re saying, but sometimes things are better left alone. I think there is more risk of ruining a game with the send off rule than not having it at all....just my opinion.

 

[Kappa]

Everything in our game ends up complicated.

In theory the goal review system is easy...stuff ups every week.

I understand what you’re saying, but sometimes things are better left alone. I think there is more risk of ruining a game with the send off rule than not having it at all....just my opinion.

When Gaff king hit Brayshw, Fremantle were a man down the entire game and had a big disadvantage because of that thug act. Do you think that's fair?

 

[ThexderX]

When Gaff king hit Brayshw, Fremantle were a man down the entire game and had a big disadvantage because of that thug act. Do you think that's fair?

As fair as someone being sent off wrongly....which will happen, make no mistake.

 

[CFC2010]

As fair as someone being sent off wrongly....which will happen, make no mistake.

Bullshit......if you had to adjudicate the Gaff incident would you give him a red card?