Opinion Andrew Gaff's hit - should we introduce a red card system?

[Anzacday]

A team whose player is hit loses that player for the rest of the game and the other team isn't disadvantage at all.
In this game it didn't impact the result, other times it probably has though.
Is it time for a red card re re-think?

 

[CFC2010]

Definitely need a red card for such an incident.

3rd Umpire to adjudicate.

 

[jackcass]

Short answer - no
Long answer - no

 

[BringouttheGimp]

For something as bad as Gaff's hit.. possibly.

Overall.. I don't think it's a great idea. As time goes by in the season.. and precedents set and not met.. you can look at it the other way.. it'll cost games because red cards weren't given as well.

It'll just add a lot more confusion and controversy to the game.

What the AFL really need to do.. is start from scratch.. burn the rule book.. and simplify the rules as best they can.

Far too many grey areas at the moment.

 

[unplugged]

Yes, but only for punches like this one, not for incidents like Jeremy Cameron on Andrews. And the player should only be removed from rotations, not making a team short a player on the ground.

 

[Ketchup]

No.

But we didn't need a sliding rule when Rohan broke his leg either so I assume we will get one.

 

[CFC2010]

Bugg, Gaff and Cameron all deserved Red Cards.

No grey area in any of those incidents.

 

[sideswipe]

I tend towards no. Definitely a case for it with the Gaff/Brayshaw incident, and the need for rotations makes a missing player all the more damaging, but where do you draw the line and how do you enforce it? If we had it in the hands of the field umpires, it would not have been used on Gaff as they missed it at the time.

So we have it with the third umpire? He looks at incidents during the game then radios down to the field umps to remove Gaff? That would be a mess.

Imagine the hysteria surrounding the more marginal incidents like late contact in a marking contest?

 

[Soups]

My only worry is when the red card comes out more frequently for offenses that shouldn’t need a red card. Are we giving the umpires too much power? Would hate to see it turn into soccer.

 

[barrackers]

Yes, but only

- In insistences where the opponent is ruled out for the remainder of the match

- It’s done by an off ground official after reviewing footage while play continues.

- The card is issued after a goal or during a quarter/half time break

- The team must retain 18 on the field

I’d also consider reducing any subsequent suspension by 1 week.

 

[CFC2010]

My only worry is when the red card comes out more frequently for offenses that shouldn’t need a red card. Are we giving the umpires too much power? Would hate to see it turn into soccer.

It should only be used for the vicious incidents......Bary Hall...….Gaff......Bugg…..etc.

I also don't want it to become soccer...….One Neymar in the AFL in Rance is enough.

Could you imagine we make the Grand Final and Cotchin does a Gaff on Stephenson and we lose by a point??

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Yes

But AFL to appoint a Match Day Referee who would be sole adjudicator based on clear and unequivocal video evidence

 

[TimothyJ23]

I'm on board with it, but not in the same way its used in the other football codes.

The red card would rule the player out for the remainder of the game, however not deduct the number of players allowed on the field. I.e. 18/3 instead of 18/4 (rather than the normal red card system which would see it become 17/4)

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Poll?

 

[sideswipe]

It should only be used for the vicious incidents......Bary Hall...….Gaff......Bugg…..etc.

I also don't want it to become soccer...….One Neymar in the AFL in Rance is enough.

Could you imagine we make the Grand Final and Cotchin does a Gaff on Stephenson and we lose by a point??

Would Houli have been red carded? Nyhuis For that tackle? Cameron for the marking contest? Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? Was Houli's "off the ball"? Last thing the AFL needs is another can of worms.

 

[Mooresome]

Na just give them longer suspension ,for hits that break bones like Gaffs give them 10 weeks min, very ugly hit
anyone who would punch a kid like that is a flog .

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Would Houli have been red carded? Nyhuis For that tackle? Cameron for the marking contest? Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? Was Houli's "off the ball"? Last thing the AFL needs is another can of worms.

Is it a "can of worms" in other codes where the Red Card is used?

 

[CFC2010]

Would Houli have been red carded? Nyhuis For that tackle? Cameron for the marking contest? Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? Was Houli's "off the ball"? Last thing the AFL needs is another can of worms.

Would Houli have been red carded? YES

Nyhuis For that tackle? Is that the Freo player? NO

Cameron for the marking contest? YES

Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? ALL OFF THE BALL - YES

 

[Mooresome]

Would Houli have been red carded? YES

Nyhuis For that tackle? Is that the Freo player? NO

Cameron for the marking contest? YES

Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? ALL OFF THE BALL - YES

Almost was going to say same thing ,but then i thought of all the dives and bullshit high tackles they pay now ,and some players would take advantage of red cards.

 

[Baird]

Would Houli have been red carded? YES

Nyhuis For that tackle? Is that the Freo player? NO

Cameron for the marking contest? YES

Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? ALL OFF THE BALL - YES

if there was a red card system nyhuis probably would’ve been carded

 

[BringouttheGimp]

A team whose player is hit loses that player for the rest of the game and the other team isn't disadvantage at all.
In this game it didn't impact the result, other times it probably has though.
Is it time for a red card re re-think?

How long does it take Michael Christian to arrive at a decision with all the intent low high grade vlakies you hear him say.. then you have Whateley crucify him the entire week for getting it wrong like he's the guru's guru right.

So you want an umpire regardless of whether it's on the field or one looking on from the stands to make a quick decision on whether to issue a red card or not when the rules themselves are completely and utterly confusing to begin with re..

How many controversial decisions has Christian made sitting in the comfort of his seat.. going about things in a lesiurely 'hey I'll have a wine' between administering fines and suspensions.. and you want an umpire to make a 30 second call on an incident?

 

[sideswipe]

Would Houli have been red carded? YES

Nyhuis For that tackle? Is that the Freo player? NO

Cameron for the marking contest? YES

Or are you suggesting it is only reserved for "off the ball"? ALL OFF THE BALL - YES

Your above set of red cards includes Cameron which was in a contest?

Is it a "can of worms" in other codes where the Red Card is used?

Is there another code that has an eye in the sky handing out red cards some time after the event has occurred because that seems to be what is being contemplated here?

 

[Soups]

It should only be used for the vicious incidents......Bary Hall...….Gaff......Bugg…..etc.

I also don't want it to become soccer...….One Neymar in the AFL in Rance is enough.

Could you imagine we make the Grand Final and Cotchin does a Gaff on Stephenson and we lose by a point??

I fear it will start out like that and then it will just go to shit after there’s a red card that doesn’t need to be a red.

That’s one bad nightmare there CFC

 

[DaVe86]

It would be a pretty simply system to implement. The answer for me is overwhelmingly YES.

Third umpire, with the benefit of video footage can make the call.

I agree it should be only for very serious offences. It's really a common-sense thing, but you could categorise it for incidents where:

1. It is off the ball
2. Intentional
3. Has caused or could cause serious injury
4. The video evidence is conclusive and undeniable.


I don't think we need it for on-ball incidents such as the Nyhuis tackle. Potentially for very late contact such as Cameron's incident.

It's quite laughable that we don't have a system to evict a player that has done something as serious as the Gaff hit or the Barry Hall hit. They are rare, but surely the umpires must have some sort of power to evict a player if he has done something so dramatic.

Another way to look at it is that it is actually unsafe even for Andrew Gaff to be allowed to keep playing. Freo players put a target on him and Michael Johnson nearly knocked him out. Allowing the player to continue has the potential to tip the game over to boiling point. Whereas, if the player is red carded, then it should ease tensions.

I have done some umpiring, and whenever I sent a player off, it always calmed the game down. While that player was on-field, tensions would always be at boiling point. The other team want to smack him, and his own team wants to stand up for him. The minute you evict the player, the game goes on as normal.

That's an alternative view. But if Gaff sustained a serious injury as a result of the Johnson hit, then the AFL would have had a lot to answer for. Johnson is retiring, so probably doesn't care if he is suspended. Gaff could have sustained a really serious injury.

 

[CFC2010]

Almost was going to say same thing ,but then i thought of all the dives and bullshit high tackles they pay now ,and some players would take advantage of red cards.

Cards only to be used for the blatant ones. To our credit our code has not seen many of those incidents.