Andrew Mackie

[Vdubs]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

The dropping of Mackie for the final last year was the nadir of Thompson's reign, it lost him credibility with the playing group and was further evidence that he had checked out mentally.

I am delighted that Scott stuck with him, even though he performed poorly at the start of the year.

He looks to have turned the corner and is now looming as a key player in September, like he was in 07 and 09.

Totally agree, and considering he did receive Brownlow vote(s) in the last or 2nd last h&a game. May have had a bit to do with his attitude towards Bomber's treatment of his mate.

 

[meto]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Dont drop him this week.. would like to see a cats team run out this week

Hope you mean any week! 9 marks against the Saints on the weekend goes a far way to consolidating a victory, wouldn't you think?
He's one of our most in form players!!!

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

The dropping of Mackie for the final last year was the nadir of Thompson's reign, it lost him credibility with the playing group and was further evidence that he had checked out mentally.

I am delighted that Scott stuck with him, even though he performed poorly at the start of the year.

He looks to have turned the corner and is now looming as a key player in September, like he was in 07 and 09.

Great post. He also has grown in confidence and this has really lifted the quality of his disposal. Bit of a reminder to us all that just like a test batsman there will be ups and downs but you don't lose your talent overnight , need to persevere and it will turn around.

 

[thegerman]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Hope you realise he's been averaging roughly 25 possessions a game for the past month, and about 6-7 marks, so, is that 'Ok' with you??

I agree he too is playing better, but lets not get carried away. Sure 25 possessions looks good, but, what most people bring up here is his inate ability to not lock down a player, so it's his defensive pressure that most agree is a low point for him.

So the possessions aren't the problem. It's the lack of defensive pressure that raises the voices of those calling for him to go.

 

[catman2006]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Mac has seen the light and last 3 games has been good all we need is for varc to see the same light.

 

[meto]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

I agree he too is playing better, but lets not get carried away. Sure 25 possessions looks good, but, what most people bring up here is his inate ability to not lock down a player, so it's his defensive pressure that most agree is a low point for him.

So the possessions aren't the problem. It's the lack of defensive pressure that raises the voices of those calling for him to go.

With his height and athleticism and ability to find the ball I agree he could 'Go', as you put it, anywhere on the ground and still be effective, wing, HFF, midfield, even CHF, probably our most versitile player.

By the way, 9 marks last week, that's almost Sam Fisher numbers.
And you inseccintly talk him down?

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Mackie's finding some great form as the season progresses and can't believe some wanted him dropped

 

[thegerman]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

With his height and athleticism and ability to find the ball I agree he could 'Go', as you put it, anywhere on the ground and still be effective, wing, HFF, midfield, even CHF, probably our most versitile player.

By the way,9 marks last week, that's almost Sam Fisher numbers.
And you inseccintly talk him down?

No not really, it's just whenever I observe him in a either a close contested situation, or in a marking contest against a smaller player, he seems to lose the ball or have any chance of getting it.

To me, he is a front runner. When the chips are down and it's tough, Mackie isn't there. Sure he picks up a lot of cheap and easy link play, however, is that what you want out of a backman?

You may compare all you like, but I know who I'd have out of Fisher and Mackie. Fisher can wrap up a player in a tackle, Mackie can't. Every tackle that Mackie does, leads to the player getting his arms free for an easy handball. The 9 marks you state, were uncontested.

I've always stated he doesn't lack offensive skills, but it's his defence that let's him down. So my argument to continue to look beyond uncontested possessions, is a reflection of this argument. What is happening here is that we agree he is effective on offence, yet you cannot seem to differentiate between a baseless argument, and a critical argument.

I am highlighting deficiencies in his game, with valid points. Unfortunately, a lot rely solely upon uncontested disposals as their terms for how well a player is playing. For one of our supposed best defenders, he really isn't when you reflect upon the stats; those same stats that others rely upon to pump him up.

 

[Mousey]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Mackie needs to be given one single role on game day. When playing as an attacking half back he can be extremely damaging, but often lacks the defensive side of play. When he is asked to play a key defenders role he can also be very good (Mackie v. Franklin anyone?). Scott just needs to say to him, "Andrew, we want you on a wing this week, run your guts out and use that damaging kick of yours to create us some goals", or "You're playing on Franklin this week, making him work hard for the footy" etc.

Obviously his best role is streaming through the ground, so I'd have him on a wing as much as possible.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

^^like mac on a wing as well but l also like T hunt,varcoe,duncan on a wing aswell but you still need defencive skills to play on a wing.if mackie played on some like fyfe who is in white hot form l think fyfe would win.but mac has had some really good games V the saints dorks etc and showing some good signs.

 

[johnsmith05]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

He looks to have turned the corner and is now looming as a key player in September, like he was in 07 and 09.

When has he ever been a Key player? Key Players are general Spine or guys like Ablett, Bartel, Selwood? I do not class Mackie any were near those Key players.