News Andrew Thorburn is retaining legal counsel for wrongful termination by the Essendon Football Club. NOW WITH BIG BANGS

[Chief]

Posts arguing about the validity of transgender people and abortion and all that stuff are being moved. Stick to the topic please.

Thread bans will start tonight for people who cannot stay on topic.

Essendon Football Club CEO Announcement.

Further news:

• New Bombers boss responds to backlash after appointment that ‘spits in the face of every queer Essendon member’
• New Essendon CEO, Andrew Thorburn, involved in church expressing homophobic, anti-abortion views
• Victorian Premier Andrews slams absolutely appalling views of new Essendon CEO'S church
• New Dons CEO to lead 'inclusive' club despite divisive church links

• Thorburn resigns... Essendon Club Statement
• AFR article - paywalled

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yes?

One of the Western Bulldogs largest benefactors and long time board members is one.

Hell, the NSW public voted in a practicing member of Opus Dei with another prominent member of Opus Dei serving in cabinet.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a conflict of interest, that's why efc shouldn't have appointed him in the first place.

 

[Taylor]

Maybe the churches should modernise get in the real world and stop being homophobic and telling women what they can do with their bodies.
And pay proper compensarion to victims of church employed paedophiles.

So push to have religion banned. I'm not going to expect change, so jump right to what you actually want.

 

[Kappa]

At least he lasted 1 day... Clarkson at North might even of managed that !

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Yes, I get it. I’ve been paying attention.

What I’m saying is, if he had the power to send gay people to burn in hell for all eternity, that would be hateful.
But him thinking that’s what happens is not hateful. It’s just an ignorant opinion.

He thinks gay people are mentally ill so he can't be a CEO with gay people under him in AFL.

 

[Power Raid]

Yes, I get it. I’ve been paying attention.

What I’m saying is, if he had the power to send gay people to burn in hell for all eternity, and he exercised that power, that would be hateful.
But him thinking that’s what happens is not hateful. It’s just an ignorant opinion.

the law suggests otherwise

 

[Kappa]

So push to have religion banned. I'm not going to expect change, so jump right to what you actually want.

Can you imagine a world without religion?

shudders

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

So push to have religion banned. I'm not going to expect change, so jump right to what you actually want.

Maybe the churches should stop supporting crooks and racists like trump.

 

[Taylor]

Can you imagine a world without religion?

shudders

Start the push to put it into law then.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Maybe the churches should modernise get in the real world and stop being homophobic and telling women what they can do with their bodies.
And pay proper compensarion to victims of church employed paedophiles.

And maybe the churches should just keep to themselves period, like everyone else.

 

[Taylor]

Maybe the churches should stop supporting crooks and racists like trump.

If you start the drive to have them banned they won't be there to do any of it.

You're almost complicit in their future acts if you want religion gone but don't do anything about it.

So stop hiding. Just start the movement to have religion banned.

 

[Kappa]

Start the push to put it into law then.

Not gonna work, a primitive part of the human brain craves religion because it gives us comfort despite deep down us all knowing all religions are completely ridiculous.

 

[Taylor]

Not gonna work, a primitive part of the human brain craves religion because it gives us comfort despite deep down us all knowing all religions are completely ridiculous.

I agree.

A religion is just a cult that served enough social benefit to self perpetuate.

But if you don't like religion you can have the government ban it.

Just be open with that goal, jump straight to the finish line. Get it over with.

 

[Soggy2112]

So push to have religion banned. I'm not going to expect change, so jump right to what you actually want.

Andrew Thorburn is free to hold these religious beliefs.

He’s free to be the chairman of a church that preaches that homosexuality is a sin.

He’s also free to be CEO of a football club which promotes the Pride movement and seeks to be inclusive of LGBTQ people.

However, he can’t do both of those things, as there’s an obvious conflict of interest. Today he was forced to make a choice, as he should be, and he made it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

If you start the drive to have them banned they won't be there to do any of it.

You're almost complicit in their future acts if you want religion gone but don't do anything about it.

So stop hiding. Just start the movement to have religion banned.

You've said 3 times something about banning churches.
No one has said that.
What are you on about. Is this a thing on Breitbart or something or are you paranoid.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Did you read the statement from both Barham and Thorburn?

They both stated that Thorburn disagrees with some of the views of the church he is a board member of.

New Bombers CEO resigns after one day in the role

Andrew Thorburn has quit as Essendon CEO just one day after stepping into the role after a furore over his involvement with a socially conservative church

www.afl.com.au

So the question I would have for Andrew is 'why are you on a board of church that you have a disagreement in views with?' Then I would ask Barham 'Why did you not do your homework?'

So obviously I don't believe this Thorburn character, but I do believe that Barham and the EFC did not do their research before appointing him. Clearly a conflict of interest.

He was given the choice of disavowing the beliefs of his faith or being a decent human being.

He chose the faith. Says it all really.

 

[Carringbush2010]

He was given the choice of disavowing the beliefs of his faith or being a decent human being.

He chose the faith. Says it all really.

Exactly my point, IF he was in such disagreement with this church's views as he claims then he wouldn't be there in the first place. And that's backed up by, as you say, he chose to stay at the church than the CEO role at EFC.

 

[Soggy2112]

Did you read the statement from both Barham and Thorburn?

They both stated that Thorburn disagrees with some of the views of the church he is a board member of.

New Bombers CEO resigns after one day in the role

Andrew Thorburn has quit as Essendon CEO just one day after stepping into the role after a furore over his involvement with a socially conservative church

www.afl.com.au

So the question I would have for Andrew is 'why are you on a board of church that you have a disagreement in views with?' Then I would ask Barham 'Why did you not do your homework?'

So obviously I don't believe this Thorburn character, but I do believe that Barham and the EFC did not do their research before appointing him. Clearly a conflict of interest.

What you believe is in my opinion, not all that relevant, it’s how you act. By being on the board, of a church that preaches those views, makes you responsible for that decision, whether you believe in it or not.

It’s pretty clear Thorburn is a man of very little integrity, you only have to look at how he got the job in the first place to see that.

 

[TheCoach16]

the law suggests otherwise

Which law?

 

[Richard Pryor]

The only reason they sacked him/gave him an ultimatum was because of talk of considerable memberships not being renewed, nothing to do with his views.

This is the crux of it. The principle of freedom of speech and expression in my view means one should not be arrested for them, it can't insulate people from other consequences (in this case economics making the club pull the plug).

 

[coldlunch]

Yes, I get it. I’ve been paying attention.

What I’m saying is, if he had the power to send gay people to burn in hell for all eternity, and he exercised that power, that would be hateful.
But him thinking that’s what happens is not hateful. It’s just an ignorant opinion.

hate does not materialise only through action. there are hateful thoughts and hateful acts. ignorance or delusion does not preclude hate, they often are the root of it. whether the thought of gay people minding their own business boils his blood or just fills him with pity or disgust is irrelevant, it is a strong dislike of their existence and that is hateful.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Exactly my point, IF he was in such disagreement with this church's views as he claims then he wouldn't be there in the first place. And that's backed up by, as you say, he chose to stay at the church than the CEO role at EFC.

There’s also some questions about his judgement. Let’s take his corporate background as given that it was pretty atrocious.

To then put yourself forward in the role of CEO at one of the biggest clubs in the comp and hold those views? What planet is this guy on?

And then the board to Ok it? It’s unbelievable

 

[Carringbush2010]

What you believe is in my opinion, not all that relevant, it’s how you act. By being on the board, of a church that preaches those views, makes you responsible for that decision, whether you believe in it or not.

It’s pretty clear Thorburn is a man of very little integrity, you only have to look at how he got the job in the first place to see that.

So my belief that this Thorburn character is lying is not relevant. Fair enough.

In any case, regardless if he's lying or not it's clearly a conflict of interest - before he's even appointed. So how you act after the fact that you're the CEO of club that has differing views to another organization you're a board member of is moot.

 

[coldlunch]

So push to have religion banned. I'm not going to expect change, so jump right to what you actually want.

it's funny how the religious often only see control or oppression as the solution to everything

 

[Taylor]

it's funny how the religious often only see control or oppression as the solution to everything

I think it's common for people afraid of different things that potentially challenge their way of life to appeal to a higher power to have that challenge removed.

And that's intentionally supposed to apply to both sides here.

 

[Taylor]

You've said 3 times something about banning churches.
No one has said that.
What are you on about. Is this a thing on Breitbart or something or are you paranoid.

I'm part of enough atheist groups on social media to know that progressive ideal is to have it removed.

I would just like people to be open about that, it's a fair point to have.