AOD-9604 not performance enhancing: Evans

[Bunk Moreland]

"The question as to whether AOD-9604 enhances performance in this case is completely irrelevant," Ings told AFL.com.au.

In reaction to Evans's statement this arvo.

As Ings will find out when the findings of this investigation are completed, it's extremely relevant.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

So you think that ASADA have gone on to change the ruling on performance enhancing/non-performance enhancing since he departed?

Who knows.

To me he seems the type of bloke "Look at me i'm right they are wrong"

 

[mjonc]

Lol, Danks pamphlet was a sales brochure! Are you suggesting sales information that doesn't have scientific backing is evidence now?

So false advertisement then? Best Dank calls his Lawyers back.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Yep. But the players have already been told that ASADA won't pursue AOD so unless we've been injecting our players with these S2 prohibited substances, no player will receive a ban.

When were the players told this? Link?

 

[Jobe Watson]

Have they now...

Yes.

But that will all come out in time. Right now, I'm eagerly waiting to hear more about what Dr. Shane Charter MD's opinion on AOD is.

When were the players told this? Link?

About a month and a half ago. No link.

 

[Rusty Beam]

From the code (note the not subject to challenge bit):

4.3.3 WADA’s determination of the Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods that will be included on the Prohibited List and the classi- fication of substances into categories on the Prohibited List is final and shall not be subject to challenge by an Athlete or other Person based on an argument that the substance or method was not a masking agent or did not have the potential to enhance performance, represent a health risk or violate the spirit of sport.

 

[jerry springer]

Lol, Danks pamphlet was a sales brochure! Are you suggesting sales information that doesn't have scientific backing is evidence now?

how the **** would i know? ask your naive club that were dumb enough to hire him

 

[mjonc]

From the code (note the not subject to challenge bit):

4.3.3 WADA’s determination of the Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods that will be included on the Prohibited List and the classi- fication of substances into categories on the Prohibited List is final and shall not be subject to challenge by an Athlete or other Person based on an argument that the substance or method was not a masking agent or did not have the potential to enhance performance, represent a health risk or violate the spirit of sport.

You may need to read that slowly so Bomber supporters Dan understand.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Too bad the "experts assessment" wasn't before AOD9604 was placed on S.0 banned substances list, which Essendon took while it was banned.

You don't like this do you?

"one experts research and opinion on a substance still undergoing clinical trials differs from other experts research and opinions. i'm going with the one that suits me better!"

 

[mxett]

how the **** would i know? ask your naive club that where dumb enough to hire him

It wasnt just Essendon. He's been linked to NRL clubs and some other AFL clubs like Melbourne and Geelong

 

[Hearts to hearts]

One of the countries leading experts in Endochrinology, and a former researcher on the substance. But charters disagrees, thats all that matters

Not sure why they would go to all that trouble, given they don't concede any players were given AOD9604. How admirably thorough they are down at Essendon these days.

 

[mxett]

"one experts research and opinion on a substance still undergoing clinical trials differs from other experts research and opinions. i'm going with the one that suits me better!"

Calzada summarised all research and said there was no evidence it was a ped in humans

 

[mxett]

Not sure why they would go to all that trouble, given they don't concede any players were given AOD9604. How admirably thorough they are down at Essendon these days.

You do realise there have been accusations from external source that Essendon players were part of an external study without their knowledge?

 

[floki]

If only Evans had filled one of these in before each game, a livestock vendor declaration, then everything would be above board and hunky-dory.

 

[jerry springer]

Calzada summarised all research and said there was no evidence it was a ped in humans

Again, you conveniently forget they didn't test it on the levels essendon players where having it injecting into

 

[theduckfan]

Who knows.

To me he seems the type of bloke "Look at me i'm right they are wrong"

You'd think being that he used to word for ASADA he would be in the know unless they all of a sudden changed the rulings.

 

[jonesy86]

Performance enhancing or not it seems to me that Evans has pretty much just confirmed they've had players take a substance banned by WADA.

 

[broden]

I wonder how ASADA will view Mr. Evans' statement?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

From the code (note the not subject to challenge bit):

4.3.3 WADA’s determination of the Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods that will be included on the Prohibited List and the classi- fication of substances into categories on the Prohibited List is final and shall not be subject to challenge by an Athlete or other Person based on an argument that the substance or method was not a masking agent or did not have the potential to enhance performance, represent a health risk or violate the spirit of sport.

Good thing AOD isn't on the prohibited list then.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Calzada summarised all research and said there was no evidence it was a ped in humans

however the evidence using animal cell lines suggest differently.

http://calzada.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/132F042F2012103A223A05PM.pdf

which, considering the substance is still undergoing clinical trials, raises questions.

also plz link me to this summary.

 

[mxett]

Again, you conveniently forget they didn't test it on the levels essendon players where having it injecting into

Hence they asked for evidence from Australias leading experts in this area, who states it isn't a ped at any dose because it goes against the substances properties.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Calzada summarised all research and said there was no evidence it was a ped in humans

When was that statement released again

 

[Bomberblitzer]

So...banned.

Stiff shit

Nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

You'd think being that he used to word for ASADA he would be in the know unless they all of a sudden changed the rulings.

I wouldn't be surprised if ASADA farked up along the way and Ingis knows this.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The morons in this thread would draft the WADA code thusly:

Clause 1: If you take something, 2 year ban.

Reason: Why else would you take it if it wasn't to cheat?

The end.

You call others morons, yet you have no comprehension of the argument.

It's not about whether they intended to cheat, it's whether they intended to benefit.

Ask yourself, why would the club sign off on the continuous injecting of players if they had no intention of those substances being beneficial?

The fact is, Essendon employed a sports scientist to get them as close to the edge as they could get. They swallowed his "it's fine to be used" line without question, while rubbing their hands together with glee at all the muscle that the players were gaining, and how great they were feeling.

Now everyone knows that the program that Essendon set out on to improve and enhance their players actually crossed the boundary into 'banned substances'.

They can claim that they were not "performance enhancing drugs" all day long, but they were indeed banned, and used with an intent to enhance performance.