AOD-9604 not performance enhancing: Evans

[mxett]

however the evidence using animal cell lines suggest differently.

http://calzada.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/132F042F2012103A223A05PM.pdf

which, considering the substance is still undergoing clinical trials, raises questions.

also plz link me to this summary.

Its in the April clarification and has been posted on here 100s of times.


in-vitro, pre-clinical and human clinical testing of AOD9604 provide clear scientific and medical evidence that AOD9604 does not increase Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) levels. Furthermore, there is no evidence that AOD9604 dosing increases the number of muscle or cartilage cells. http://www.evaluategroup.com/Universal/View.aspx?type=Story&id=419857

 

[Lance Uppercut]

this thread

the outrage

 

[theduckfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if ASADA farked up along the way.

Any chance Essendon farked up in given players a substance clearly on the S.0 list since 2011? Or like the mentality of the head honchos at Essendon, is it everyone else's fault?

 

[Vtorians]

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ten days to respond? Evans must've been on a bender with Dank's gear.

How are the AOD revenue streams, David?

 

[dmc333]

Troops rallied. Objective achieved.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Good thing AOD isn't on the prohibited list then.

Maybe if you could read you could see the classification of substances before that

 

[Lach72]

Nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Course it is. It's in the subtext of Evans statement

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Any chance Essendon farked up in given players a substance clearly on the S.0 list since 2011? Or like the mentality of the head honchos at Essendon, is it everyone else's fault?

True
I just think its one giant mess including WADA,ASADA and the AFL with no one knowing where to start.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Its in the April clarification and has been posted on here 100s of times.


in-vitro, pre-clinical and human clinical testing of AOD9604 provide clear scientific and medical evidence that AOD9604 does not increase Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) levels. Furthermore, there is no evidence that AOD9604 dosing increases the number of muscle or cartilage cells. http://www.evaluategroup.com/Universal/View.aspx?type=Story&id=419857

well that doesn't really say too much.

what are these studies? where's the references? where can i find them to read about them?
how many human clinical trials are there? enough to generate a reliable picture?
what were they measuring? - if they're not measuring muscle or cartilage cell growth of course there's not going to be any evidence for it.
what dosage was being used?

but really, show me some evidence of human clinical trials where muscle and cartilage cell growth was specifically measured.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ten days to respond? Evans must've been on a bender with Dank's gear.

How are the AOD revenue streams, David?

haha, that's what I was thinking.

Maybe it took him that long to record the speil in one take, without breaking down.

 

[theduckfan]

True
I just think its one giant mess including WADA,ASADA and the AFL.

I agree this whole process has been an absolute mess, and would not happen in any other professional sporting organisation in the world.

But when the AFL's primary objective is to get out of this with an outcome that minimises revenue loss then it was always going to happen.

 

[jerry springer]

Hence they asked for evidence from Australias leading experts in this area, who states it isn't a ped at any dose because it goes against the substances properties.

That was nice of them, conveniently after the horse has bolted.

Didn't Charters come out and say it was a PED, or doesn't his opinion count anymore?

 

[nicshata]

David Evans video just on 10. Said Essendon sought out expert opinion. Been told not performance enhancing.

Guess the question is, why take it?

http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=562540

Doesnt matter if its performance enhancing or not. The only thing you need to know is it is a BANNED drug. And you cannot take BANNED drugs in sport.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Maybe if you could read you could see the classification of substances before that

Yes... "the classi- fication of substances into categories on the Prohibited List "

Can you read?

 

[GreatBradScott]

Yes.

But that will all come out in time. Right now, I'm eagerly waiting to hear more about what Dr. Shane Charter MD's opinion on AOD is.


About a month and a half ago. No link.

Fair enough, but what was the source?

 

[Bomberblitzer]

You call others morons, yet you have no comprehension of the argument.

It's not about whether they intended to cheat, it's whether they intended to benefit.

Ask yourself, why would the club sign off on the continuous injecting of players if they had no intention of those substances being beneficial?

The fact is, Essendon employed a sports scientist to get them as close to the edge as they could get. They swallowed his "it's fine to be used" line without question, while rubbing their hands together with glee at all the muscle that the players were gaining, and how great they were feeling.

Now everyone knows that the program that Essendon set out on to improve and enhance their players actually crossed the boundary into 'banned substances'.

They can claim that they were not "performance enhancing drugs" all day long, but they were indeed banned, and used with an intent to enhance performance.

Powerade is used with an intent to enhance performance. Is powerade a PED?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Yes... "the classi- fication of substances into categories on the Prohibited List "

Can you read?

and that category would be classified as S0

 

[mehow2g]

Powerade is used with an intent to enhance performance. Is powerade a PED?

It's sad to see arguments getting this low.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Powerade is used with an intent to enhance performance. Is powerade a PED?

Is Powerade banned?

 

[choo]

It doesn't matter if its performance enhancing. Dank told them it was and that's why he recommended it.
I thought essendon couldn't comment. #whateverittakes

 

[Rusty Beam]

Definitions from the code:

Prohibited List: The List identifying the Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods.
Prohibited Method: Any method so described on the Prohibited List.
Prohibited Substance: Any substance so described on the Prohibited List.

Pretty sure the wada boss has said it is a prohibited substance under the code.

 

[TerryWallet]

Isn't it fortunate we have a WADA Code that is the FINAL arbiter.

Kinda makes competing bought and paid for opinions irrelevant.

But by all means Dave, keep pick pocketing those Bomber fans pockets

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If people are actually interested, the video is on the EFC website.

When discussing AOD, he was addressing the suggestion that players have some sort of advantage this year. He says they have commissioned expert advice and it states that if AOD was administered last year, there was no performance benefit either then or for this season.

 

[jerry springer]

I ask again

how does a club who cant even figure out what drugs where given, in what amount,to who, and possibly mixed with other " erotic substances" even comprehend if they are performance enhancing or not?