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Your points 1 and 4 dictate that Cobain and Nirvana are not cult worthy.
They were very mainstream in the end.
Good point as to what actually constitutes a cult following. I would say there are four criteria.
1. The artist has had relatively little commercial success.
2. The artist or lead singer is a demi-god and often eccentric or eclectic. They often engage in behaviour that is obscene or over the top, even to the point of suicide, as in the case of Kurt Cobain and Ian Curtis.
3. Their fans are extremely loyal, to the point of being obsessed.
4. Their music could be defined as eccentric, or at least non-mainstream
I would be prepared to list an artist as having a cult following if they meet three of these criteria. So, while Nirvana have had commercial success, they meet the other three criteria and thus I would say they have a cult following. Iggy Pop and Led Zepplin also meet the same three criteria as Nirvana. Joy Division meet all four criteria.
Both of them actually had bad sales. I'll try to find some sources that might have a list of of their chart successes. Here's what I can find in terms of US success:I would not put The Smiths or the Ramones under the cult catorgory. The Smiths I thought sold mega in the UK. The Ramones also sold well I think.
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Some artists, irrespective of how good they are, have built up a cult following. Some of these would be:
Led Zepplin
Iggy Pop
Nirvana
Joy Division
others?
The Grateful Dead are easily the biggest cult band ever. At one stage they were taking $50m pa in concert sales, record sales, and merchandising.
And they don't make the charts. I've never seen a Dead CD in any mainline Australian music shop (not that I'm disappointed).
The cult band of all cult bands. They sold an image and often were in the US's top 5 grossing acts without having hits or FM air time.
I wouldn't say they have a cult following, seeing as the massive amount of records and stuff they have sold, I would say they are the complete opposite to having a cult following. For a cult following Nirvana is still doing not to bad seeing as Kurt Cobain made more money then any other dead artist last year, including Elvis.
And also going by the first sentence, are you saying they aren't good?
The Grateful Dead are easily the biggest cult band ever. At one stage they were taking $50m pa in concert sales, record sales, and merchandising.
And they don't make the charts. I've never seen a Dead CD in any mainline Australian music shop (not that I'm disappointed).
The cult band of all cult bands. They sold an image and often were in the US's top 5 grossing acts without having hits or FM air time.
I'm not saying they're not good. I love Nirvana and think they're brilliant. All I meant was that a group doesn't have to be great musically to be a cult band. Some cult bands are popular for other reasons besides their music ability(charisma, lifestyle etc).
Have to agree, although I'm in the 'love' section.Clutch.
They haven't had huge commercial success, and tend to polarise listeners into two groups; those who "don't get" them, and those that absolutely love them.