Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Vdubs]

Really, except for those 2 verses in John where did Jesus claim he was God? if Jesus was God don't you think Mark matthew and luke would make an effort to convey the message? divine doesn't equal to God, multiple times in the synoptics he said he is lesser than God and his father is GREATER than him.

Pure semantics.
On a daily basis, Jesus is God as a human, yet there is so much about God we will never know --- until we do.

 

[Total Power]

Pure semantics.
On a daily basis, Jesus is God as a human, yet there is so much about God we will never know --- until we do.

Yet again, you make a statement based on your beliefs just because the Bible told you so. This is why literally impossible to have a discussion with you, but i do realize i am talking to an indoctrinated person.

 

[western royboy]

Yet again, you make a statement based on your beliefs just because the Bible told you so. This is why literally impossible to have a discussion with you, but i do realize i am talking to an indoctrinated person.

Indoctrination is child abuse in my view

 

[Total Power]

Indoctrination is child abuse in my view

I am trying to have a conversation like a grown up here but looks like it's impossible to have one, without him being a parrot and repeating 'Jesus is God, Amen, lives been changed' everytime.

Seriously, what is wrong with these people?

 

[Vdubs]

You can call me whatever you want, i do not care what you in believe in. We are here for a discussion and everytime you are asked a question your reply is always the same 'lives have been changed'. The Bible is the apparent word of God can we can analyze what this so called 'God' said in the context of things we already know and unfortunately everytime you are asked the tough question you run away or reply in some sort of an anecdote as if that constitutes evidence.

Maybe it's time for you to look up what evidence means, of course i know what you believe in but that's not evidence.

No, whatever anyone says here can never alter your pov- it is presently immutable.
That's fine.
Your MO is now so fixed on your own belief system, that whatever a Christian offers is of course trivial and lightweight, in my case.
I represent me only, a true believer who has many issues, as we all do, but I would not be where I am today without Christ in my life- that is important for non-believers to understand, even if some proclaim that they were once believers.

 

[Total Power]

No, whatever anyone says here can never alter your pov- it is presently immutable.
That's fine.
Your MO is now so fixed on your own belief system, that whatever a Christian offers is of course trivial and lightweight, in my case.
I represent me only, a true believer who has many issues, as we all do, but I would not be where I am today without Christ in my life- that is important for non-believers to understand, even if some proclaim that they were once believers.

Yet again, i am not here to discuss what YOU or I believe to be true, we are HERE to have a discussion on the science/Bible based on things 'WE KNOW'.

Bible is easy to disprove based on things we ALREADY KNOW. This is why you guys always talk about afterlife, and stuff cause then it's impossible to disprove.

Your cons been found out.

 

[Total Power]

Oh btw VD..here are trumps voting statistics, looks like every other religious group voted against Trump. Including the Jews.

 

[western royboy]

Oh btw VD..here are trumps voting statistics, looks like every other religious group voted against Trump. Including the Jews.

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Yes…Trump being that deeply religious fellow that God came down from wherever and saved him when old mate was taking pot shots at him…

 

[Total Power]

Yes…Trump being that deeply religious fellow that God came down from wherever and saved him when old mate was taking pot shots at him…

VD said trump was antichrist, too bad vast majority of Christians are in love with Trump and think he is the saviour for the Seppos.

 

[Vdubs]

Yet again, i am not here to discuss what YOU or I believe to be true, we are HERE to have a discussion on the science/Bible based on things 'WE KNOW'.

Bible is easy to disprove based on things we ALREADY KNOW. This is why you guys always talk about afterlife, and stuff cause then it's impossible to disprove.

Your cons been found out.

Why do you yearn for these discussions, in Ask A Christian/Atheist.
Are you hoping that some CS Lewis type enters the arena and provides the most persuasive argument FOR Christianity that you have ever encountered?
Every time you say have debunked us or squashed us or disproved us...it is ridiculous, yet your counter to that is that we are indoctrinated.
I could easily have remained a cynical agnostic.
But encountering God in real ways is so life changing, that you can not disregard it.

 

[Vdubs]

Oh btw VD..here are trumps voting statistics, looks like every other religious group voted against Trump. Including the Jews.

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So he could be the Antichrist after all.

 

[Total Power]

Why do you yearn for these discussions, in Ask A Christian/Atheist.
Are you hoping that some CS Lewis type enters the arena and provides the most persuasive argument FOR Christianity that you have ever encountered?
Every time you say have debunked us or squashed us or disproved us...it is ridiculous, yet your counter to that is that we are indoctrinated.
I could easily have remained a cynical agnostic.
But encountering God in real ways is so life changing, that you can not disregard it.

Just like losing faith can be life changing too? i know 100s and thousands of people who got rid of religion and turned their lives around. I know literally 100s and 1000s of people who converted into another religion from Christianity and turned their lives around.

You see the point is not which god believe in or whether you are an atheist, the point is actually perception. If you perceive something to be true, it's most likely to be true for you. This is why ALL RELIGIONS make the same claim as you do.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.OF.THEM

So if Jesus one of the many gods, your point is moot. You still lose the argument

 

[Total Power]

So he could be the Antichrist after all.

vast majority of the Christians disagree with you...yes VAST MAJORITY.

 

[western royboy]

VD said trump was antichrist, too bad vast majority of Christians are in love with Trump and think he is the saviour for the Seppos.

Trump actively pursued them, one could cynically suggest it’s just another cult.

 

[Vdubs]

Just like losing faith can be life changing too? i know 100s and thousands of people who got rid of religion and turned their lives around. I know literally 100s and 1000s of people who converted into another religion from Christianity and turned their lives around.

You see the point is not which god believe in or whether you are an atheist, the point is actually perception. If you perceive something to be true, it's most likely to be true for you. This is why ALL RELIGIONS make the same claim as you do.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.OF.THEM

So if Jesus one of the many gods, your point is moot. You still lose the argument

I don't have an argument, although I LOVE ARGUING.

 

[Total Power]

I don't have an argument, although I LOVE ARGUING.

There's nothing to argue, i have heard everything you say from my mum who follows Krishna, she swears Krishna is the ONLY way to God. You probably do not understand the irony in your posts.

 

[Vdubs]

vast majority of the Christians disagree with you...yes VAST MAJORITY.

Well you might have to explain that table- 79% of Jews say what?

 

[Total Power]

Well you might have to explain that graph- 79% of Jews say what?

They voted for democrats or against Trump.

 

[Vdubs]

They voted for democrats or against Trump.

That's nice.
I work with a Jewish chap who told me today that Trump winning was better than winning a GF. Stunning comment.

 

[Total Power]

That's nice.
I work with a Jewish chap who told me today that Trump winning was better than winning a GF. Stunning comment.

Sure but those are official US data from the polls. So 4 out of 5 jews voted against him, so you probably had the odd one.

 

[Vdubs]

Sure but those are official US data from the polls. So 4 out of 5 jews voted against him, so you probably had the odd one.

that table does not suggest the Christians voted against him

 

[Total Power]

that table does not suggest the Christians voted against him

I said majority of the Christians VOTED for trump.

You said he's an antichrist, i am saying majority of your heathens disagree with you and see him as a saviour. If you put ELon Musk next to him, that completes the picture.

 

[Vdubs]

I said majority of the Christians VOTED for trump.

You said he's an antichrist, i am saying majority of your heathens disagree with you and see him as a saviour. If you put ELon Musk next to time, that completes the picture.

Americans- probably too fearful of retribution

I said majority of the Christians VOTED for trump.

You said he's an antichrist, i am saying majority of your heathens disagree with you and see him as a saviour. If you put ELon Musk next to him, that completes the picture.

Who knows how this will end.

 

[Total Power]

Americans- probably too fearful of retribution

Who knows how this will end.

So they are not real Christians?

How come non Christian americans know better?

LOL

 

[Roylion]

GOD is difficult to define by us humans- how can we possibly comprehend all He is and can do and has done,

It "God" (if it exists) is unknowable. Any claim to knowing its desires or actions is mere invention.

but through Jesus we have direct access to God.

An unsubstantiated claim.

Jesus, as a man, is very knowable,

Jesus was merely one of billions of humans who have lived and died.

and God has the ability and power to send us this human version of HIMSELF for all mankind.

Whether it did or didn't undertake such an action is pure invention.

Now Christians live through His Spirit and can communicate directly with God by prayer, fellowship, and worship.

Another unsubstantiated claim to truth.