Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

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Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[liz]

Wrong.
Marvelling at Creation is one thing.
Acknowledging sin in this world and its effects is another.
And accepting we all have free will is another.
And if there is no God, you explain the reasons and causes of atrocities we have seen and continue to see- you can't blame God here.
God is never wrong and God is infallible, by definition. You can argue that until you are blue in the face, but acknowledging God is God, which you do when blaming Him for what you detest, but not for His Creation is typical of your arguments.
I humbly say God is always correct. It's how you interpret what happens in life, what's written in the Bible that is error-seeking at best.

None of that makes any sense, not to my belief system. It reads like a weird mix of conflating opposing viewpoints and projecting one onto another.

An atheist doesn’t blame God for what we detest (while denying his role in the Creation). That would be rather silly since we don’t believe he is real.

But when discussing the concept of God with an avid believer we might ask how a believer squares away all the atrocities with their belief there is some supposedly omniscient and omnipotent entity out there who supposedly loves humans.

 

[evolved2]

That's not how I see life. I lead a very busy fulfilled life with appreciation of work ethic, family, friends, and love exercise, nature, and appreciate every day as if it is God given. I have seen too often in my career people dying young and randomly, and it helps appreciation of each day.
Running marathons helped me find God and communicate with Him.
Achievement in career and running events etc seemed shallow.
The beauty was already around me, and I did not need faith, but somehow, always found myself attracted to people who had a bold and strong faith.
Many people find shallowness and the need for something bigger than what they achieve when they win a GF, or reach the pinnacle of their. career pathway etc. That's not to say their lives are miserable; rather, they find that the trimmings of this life are superficial.

Does belief in god provide that something extra to superficial life? If so, how?

 

[Vdubs]

None of that makes any sense, not to my belief system. It reads like a weird mix of conflating opposing viewpoints and projecting one onto another.

An atheist doesn’t blame God for what we detest (while denying his role in the Creation). That would be rather silly since we don’t believe he is real.

But when discussing the concept of God with an avid believer we might ask how a believer squares away all the atrocities with their belief there is some supposedly omniscient and omnipotent entity out there who supposedly loves humans.

Several here are clearly not atheists.
That was my point- it's not possible evidently to create a human race that is entirely robotic and obedient while we all have free will, but He has given many instructions and opportunities for the whole human race to find Him.
Rating the "atrocities" by measures of badness is brought up all the time as a an example of an errant God- man judging His Creator as appalling while also not accepting the NT revelations of Jesus Christ as saviour and the way to know God.
The OT teachings have relevance and significance for history and instruction, but clearly they do not all apply to life as we know it today.
Christianity is ALL about what Jesus did for mankind- up to everyone to take that or leave it.
What I have lived in my 65 plus odd years, definitely helps me accept His offer.
Nothing to lose in this lifetime, everything to gain for eternity. Many say Christians lose money and the joys of life, but that is far from the truth- of course there are many examples of corruption in the church as there are in all walks of life.
I am ALWAYS aware that a dodgy Christian can be hypocritical and can be a hindrance to prospective seeking of God.

Does belief in god provide that something extra to superficial life? If so, how?

 

[Vdubs]

Why not? sin is a result of the curse of God. You don't agree with the Bible? sinners sinning cause your God was angry cause one naked man ate a fruit from the tree of knowledge.

Your god wants obedience, not knowledge, which is what your Bible states, DO NOT USE YOUR INELLECT.

Now why do you wish to live like a slave?

I can't think of a reason i would want to, but if that's your choice so be it.

None of this violence in Israel/Gaza would happen if it wasn't for religion. Another feather in your God's cap.




Really? so all the atrocities in the OT are all justified?
Psalm: 137:9
Yes, a reward to the one who grabs your babies and smashes their heads on the rocks

Just one tiny example OUT OF MILLIONS. You think this has been written by a divine?


You thank god for your stupid shit but that Christian in Gaza who is a 5 year old is getting steamrolled by YWH's people but you see nothing wrong with it? None of this will happen if the OT was never written, it's God's promised land remember? You can say ITS HUMANS, but it's clearly not. Israel believes they are God's chosen people and the entire area is their land.

God is NOT infallible, he regretted creating us and drowned almost everyone of us.

Regret and Infallible doesn't go together.


Rubbish, another special pleading argument while no presenting no case at all.

Going by life, Bible and everything that's going on, there's no evidence that God is infallible, repeating a lie 100 times doesn't make it true. Read the Genesis, God wanted someone to screw his brothers wife...he refused and god cursed him. You really believe that's holy and divine? it takes special kind of an idiot to believe this, literal or metaphorical.

You keep repeating these lines without making an argument for your case (which is why you have faith, which means belief without evidence), which is precisely why Christianity is basically walking on eggshells and one of the reasons why i lost my faith.

Let's start with your first point. There is or there is not God. If not, you can not ascribe any negative outcome or injustice to Him. So are you or are you not a believer in GOD?

 

[evolved2]

Several here are clearly not atheists.
That was my point- it's not possible evidently to create a human race that is entirely robotic and obedient while we all have free will, but He has given many instructions and opportunities for the whole human race to find Him.
Rating the "atrocities" by measures of badness is brought up all the time as a an example of an errant God- man judging His Creator as appalling while also not accepting the NT revelations of Jesus Christ as saviour and the way to know God.
The OT teachings have relevance and significance for history and instruction, but clearly they do not all apply to life as we know it today.
Christianity is ALL about what Jesus did for mankind- up to everyone to take that or leave it.
What I have lived in my 65 plus odd years, definitely helps me accept His offer.
Nothing to lose in this lifetime, everything to gain for eternity. Many say Christians lose money and the joys of life, but that is far from the truth- of course there are many examples of corruption in the church as there are in all walks of life.
I am ALWAYS aware that a dodgy Christian can be hypocritical and can be a hindrance to prospective seeking of God.

Continuing to believe a lie doesn't mean you have nothing to lose. That's sunk cost fallacy.

I hope you're not tithing!

 

[Vdubs]

Continuing to believe a lie doesn't mean you have nothing to lose. That's sunk cost fallacy.

I hope you're not tithing!

I don't see any lie. We give according to our circumstances.

 

[evolved2]

I don't see any lie.

That can be fixed whenever you're ready to take an objective view.

We give according to our circumstances.

I'm happy enough so long as you're not tithing. Biblical tithing never involved money.

 

[Total Power]

Let's start with your first point. There is or there is not God. If not, you can not ascribe any negative outcome or injustice to Him. So are you or are you not a believer in GOD?

I am quoting the OT. Do you think a divine being would bless someone for smashing an infants head against the rocks? yes or no?

Do you think a divine being would say women are inferior? yes or no?

 

[Roylion]

That was my point- it's not possible evidently to create a human race that is entirely robotic and obedient while we all have free will, but He has given many instructions and opportunities for the whole human race to find Him.

Has he? Where?

Christianity is ALL about what Jesus did for mankind- up to everyone to take that or leave it.

I don't see any reason to suppose Jesus did anything for mankind.

 

[Total Power]

I don't see any lie. We give according to our circumstances.

Did God know he has to come down as Jesus to save mankind? did god also know all this is a result of the curse he has given us??? did God also know none of it will work in the end and people will keep doing what they do?????

 

[Vdubs]

Did God know he has to come down as Jesus to save mankind? did god also know all this is a result of the curse he has given us??? did God also know none of it will work in the end and people will keep doing what they do?????

God knows all. And it's not all people who are obstinate and self-sufficient.

 

[Vdubs]

Has he? Where?


I don't see any reason to suppose Jesus did anything for mankind.

It's all there in the most read book in history, as you know.
I can't help your spiritual blindness

 

[Vdubs]

I am quoting the OT. Do you think a divine being would bless someone for smashing an infants head against the rocks? yes or no?

Do you think a divine being would say women are inferior? yes or no?

I'm asking the questions . Ask an atheist. Are you an atheist? Do you believe in God?

 

[Total Power]

God knows all. And it's not all people who are obstinate and self-sufficient.

So he knew his plans are doomed right from the start? so why bother? why not just lift the curse?

 

[Total Power]

I'm asking the questions . Ask an atheist. Are you an atheist? Do you believe in God?

I said it time and time again, i am an atheist when it comes to the Abrahamic religions or the God of religion. It simply doesn't exist, still can you reply to my question above please in yes or no?

 

[Vdubs]

I said it time and time again, i am an atheist when it comes to the Abrahamic religions or the God of religion. It simply doesn't exist, still can you reply to my question above please in yes or no?

Do you believe in God?
It's not that tough.

 

[Total Power]

Do you believe in God?

Not a separate entity like you guys do. Look up on pantheism.

 

[Vdubs]

Not a separate entity like you guys do. Look up on pantheism.

Do you believe that God had involvement in creation, in civilisation?

 

[Total Power]

Do you believe that God had involvement in creation, in civilisation?

I do not believe in creationism, i have said it time and time again, creation/destruction is a fundamental force of the universe. Stars are born and they die out every second..for no apparent reason.

 

[Vdubs]

I do not believe in creationism, i have said it time and time again, creation/destruction is a fundamental force of the universe. Stars are born and they die out every second..for no apparent reason.

So you don't believe any of the OT/NT writings?

 

[Total Power]

So you don't believe any of the OT/NT writings?

Not the interpretation you would wanna hear anyway. I did PM you a few things a while ago, like everything else, gone into deaf ears and you are back with the same question(s)

 

[Vdubs]

Not the interpretation you would wanna hear anyway. I did PM you a few things a while ago, like everything else, gone into deaf ears and you are back with the same question(s)

Given you don't believe in God, or any of the atrocities that you attribute to Him that are described in the OT, there is no issue here.

 

[Total Power]

Given you don't believe in God, or any of the atrocities that you attribute to Him that are described in the OT, there is no issue here.

You do believe in a divine being, why would a divine being do/say such despicable stuff and deserve praise from you heathens?

 

[Vdubs]

You do believe in a divine being, why would a divine being do/say such despicable stuff and deserve praise from you heathens?

I don't perceive it the way you do. Spiritual blindness for God causes your type of questioning.
And please, no lessons on spirituality....

 

[Total Power]

I don't perceive it the way you do. Spiritual blindness for God causes your type of questioning.
And please, no lessons on spirituality....

Really? what is blind about killing children, sanctioning rape and telling women are inferior??? i am questioning based on everything we have learned as a race..you wish to take us back to slavery cause it was ok back then and the divine being said nothing about it? why is that worthy of praise?