Prediction Assistant Coaches 2019

[The Bighouse]

http://aflnation.com.au/2018/09/27/how-eagles-star-yeo-mastered-his-midfield-role/


Sign this bloke. Sign him right now.

You’d hope we’ve got someone lined up for the vacant position. If it’s not Mitchell, then has Caracella re-signed with Richmond yet?
Anyone else in coaching boxes for the competing teams this w/end?
WAFL & SANFL coaches have signed over to the SA clubs this week.
Interesting that Matty Wright will be playing for the Crows in the SANFL with his p/t role at the club.

 

[Aphrodite]

I want Sam Mitchell.

Get it done Cain.

 

[jd2010]

Mitchell has been heavily linked to the Box Hill coaching gig. Can see him being part of a Clarkson succession plan 2021-2022

 

[Jimmae]

Mitchell has been heavily linked to the Box Hill coaching gig. Can see him being part of a Clarkson succession plan 2021-2022

Many people have said this, and many people don't seem to grasp that this would likely be a step down from the pay he was getting in WA (or would get elsewhere in the industry).

I doubt that's what Hawthorn are offering, but if it was he'd be paid peanuts.

 

[jd2010]

Many people have said this, and many people don't seem to grasp that this would likely be a step down from the pay he was getting in WA (or would get elsewhere in the industry).

I doubt that's what Hawthorn are offering, but if it was he'd be paid peanuts.

The opportunity to coach his own team with the plan to become an Afl coach at the end of it will outweigh the $$$ difference. After all he has been on $400k+ for most of the past 15 years

 

[Jimmae]

The opportunity to coach his own team with the plan to become an Afl coach at the end of it will outweigh the $$$ difference. After all he has been on $400k+ for most of the past 15 years

None of that will really prepare you for an AFL gig.

Better off being a senior assistant.

 

[jd2010]

None of that will really prepare you for an AFL gig.

Better off being a senior assistant.

Coaching his own side in Tasmania was Bolton's big selling point. It's regularly said that coaching your own side as well as being an assistant is the way to go. Otherwise you just become a career assistant like John Barker and Peter Sumich. Mitchell will forgo money to open up his chances of becoming the long-term coach of his former club.

 

[Jimmae]

Coaching his own side in Tasmania was Bolton's big selling point. It's regularly said that coaching your own side as well as being an assistant is the way to go. Otherwise you just become a career assistant like John Barker and Peter Sumich. Mitchell will forgo money to open up his chances of becoming the long-term coach of his former club.

If clubs were serious about this, they wouldn't have state league coaches at all. They'd rotate the assistants.

Dropping a smart coach permanently into state level footy is a waste.

 

[jd2010]

If clubs were serious about this, they wouldn't have state league coaches at all. They'd rotate the assistants.

Dropping a smart coach permanently into state level footy is a waste.

He'd still be employed by Hawthorn even when coaching at Box Hill

 

[Jimmae]

[sighs for 20 minutes]

 

[JustaBattler]

Mitchell will do exactly as Clarkson asks him to do - like he always done. He stood down for Hodge, he took a transfer to WC and learned with another ex Hawthorn coach over there and now comes back to slot into hawthorns long term planning- easy. Pox Hill isn't Northern Blues disaster and Hawthorn are smart enough to spend years developing talent before throwing them into AFL - they used the draft when it was what they had to do and now use trading for players to stoopid teams that allow them to remain relevant because they trade with them.

Their simple message is come here for less we know what we are doing and you wont have to do it all yourself maaaate.

 

[Jimmae]

Mitchell will do exactly as Clarkson asks him to do - like he always done. He stood down for Hodge, he took a transfer to WC and learned with another ex Hawthorn coach over there and now comes back to slot into hawthorns long term planning- easy. Pox Hill isn't Northern Blues disaster and Hawthorn are smart enough to spend years developing talent before throwing them into AFL - they used the draft when it was what they had to do and now use trading for players to stoopid teams that allow them to remain relevant because they trade with them.

Their simple message is come here for less we know what we are doing and you wont have to do it all yourself maaaate.

Name some AFL assistants that went on to coach a lower-tier team before trying for a senior gig.

 

[JustaBattler]

Name some AFL assistants that went on to coach a lower-tier team before trying for a senior gig.

meh - you use the term "lower tier team" as if it means something to Hawthhorn" - eg Bolton coached Pox Hill before he became an assistant - they do things their way and good on 'em for doing so. I read nothing in Mitchells purported move to coaching Pox Hill - that sees him taking a demotion.

 

[Jimmae]

meh - you use the term "lower tier team" as if it means something to Hawthhorn" - eg Bolton coached Pox Hill before he became an assistant - they do things their way and good on 'em for doing so. I read nothing in Mitchells purported move to coaching Pox Hill - that sees him taking a demotion.

The key word you're using is 'before'.

I'm asking you who has gone from AFL assistant to VFL or amateurs coach, and then applied for the head coaching role. I'm interested to that particular progression pathway, even if it's via the assistants role again.

Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of was Ratten.

 

[norway blue]

Mitchell will do exactly as Clarkson asks him to do - like he always done. He stood down for Hodge, he took a transfer to WC and learned with another ex Hawthorn coach over there and now comes back to slot into hawthorns long term planning- easy. Pox Hill isn't Northern Blues disaster and Hawthorn are smart enough to spend years developing talent before throwing them into AFL - they used the draft when it was what they had to do and now use trading for players to stoopid teams that allow them to remain relevant because they trade with them.

Their simple message is come here for less we know what we are doing and you wont have to do it all yourself maaaate.

Can’t disagree with that battler . Has he done a level 4 coaching Or will he do it as he coaches wherever ?


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[JustaBattler]

Can’t disagree with that battler . Has he done a level 4 coaching Or will he do it as he coaches wherever ?


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dunno mate.

 

[JustaBattler]

The key word you're using is 'before'.

I'm asking you who has gone from AFL assistant to VFL or amateurs coach, and then applied for the head coaching role. I'm interested to that particular progression pathway, even if it's via the assistants role again.

Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of was Ratten.

Jimmae I'm not challenging your stats or history at all - I just kind of don't really care to make anything out of the question - with regards to Mitchell - I think it is just 'noise' in that particular example of multivariate analysis.

 

[Jimmae]

Jimmae I'm not challenging your stats or history at all - I just kind of don't really care to make anything out of the question - with regards to Mitchell - I think it is just 'noise' in that particular example of multivariate analysis.

I don't want numbers, I want examples so we can get an idea of what that progression pathway looks like.

AFAIC, it's a significant step down in pay, resources and responsibilities.

 

[JustaBattler]

I don't want numbers, I want examples so we can get an idea of what that progression pathway looks like.

AFAIC, it's a significant step down in pay, resources and responsibilities.

the bolded bits are assumptions you are making - don't you think?

from an organisational perspective Hawthorn may want Mitchell to learn how to manage a development team and learn about a lot of things that 'assistants' to coaches in the AFL side don't get. they may want him to bond with younger players - see if he can develop some of their low end picks ( like better coaches are able to do) give him space and room ....lots of reasons to put forward that contradict the notion that coaching a VFL side linked closely to your AFL side and the way they play is a actually a more senior position than the typical assistant coach - it gets down to being about how Hawthorn view their own organisational structure and who and how and why they develop those that coach and administer etc etc...it may as simple as putting a gap between him and existing AFL players who actually played with him and then against him...and give him time to settle back in and earn his internal stripes as a coach...

 

[Jimmae]

the bolded bits are assumptions you are making - don't you think?

from an organisational perspective Hawthorn may want Mitchell to learn how to manage a development team and learn about a lot of things that 'assistants' to coaches in the AFL side don't get. they may want him to bond with younger players - see if he can develop some of their low end picks ( like better coaches are able to do) give him space and room ....lots of reasons to put forward that contradict the notion that coaching a VFL side linked closely to your AFL side and the way they play is a actually a more senior position than the typical assistant coach - it gets down to being about how Hawthorn view their own organisational structure and who and how and why they develop those that coach and administer etc etc...it may as simple as putting a gap between him and existing AFL players who actually played with him and then against him...and give him time to settle back in and earn his internal stripes as a coach...

We're talking about the AFL here, not a growing company.

There are football department spending limitations, ethical responsibilities in terms of departments that need to be funded and staffed, and oh yes, it's a copycat league full of people severely lacking in traditional corporate skills.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't want numbers, I want examples so we can get an idea of what that progression pathway looks like.

AFAIC, it's a significant step down in pay, resources and responsibilities.

If he's simply the assistant coach responsible for the Box Hill side, why is it necessarily a step down in pay, responsibilities and resources?

For all we know, Hawthorn pay the Box Hill senior coach more than their AFL assistants.

 

[Jimmae]

If he's simply the assistant coach responsible for the Box Hill side, why is it necessarily a step down in pay, responsibilities and resources?

For all we know, Hawthorn pay the Box Hill senior coach more than their AFL assistants.

Ok. Let's look at Box Hill's past coaches in the Clarkson era:

2004 - 2005: Andy Collins (previously St Kilda assistant and Hawthorn assistant while taking the VFL role), went onto coach Coburg, then West Adelaide, then Williamstown.

2006 - 2007: Damien Christensen (previously Geelong Falcons), went onto the GFL

2008: Barry Mitchell (previously CFC assistant, then again an assistant for Hawthorn for a year before taking VFL role), went onto Fremantle assistant role until 2011.

2009 - 2010: Bolton (previously North Hobart, Tasmania's VFL side, Clarence), we know the story here, but he was not an assistant in this structure

2011 - 2013: Damien Carroll (previously Bon Beach, Gippsland Power), went onto be Hawthorn's development academy coach, now a full-time assistant after trialling in the role when Bolton departed.

2014 - 2016: Marco Bello (previously Box Hill reserves coach, Northern Knights), went onto take Carroll's job.

2017 - Current: Chris Newman (previously development coach at Hawthorn, straight out playing career at Richmond).

So it would seem the pay structure in recent years, from lowest to highest, runs:

TAC coach
VFL 2nds coach/Amateurs coach
AFL development coach
VFL coach
AFL Head development coach
AFL assistant
AFL senior assistant
AFL head coach

The only thing in opposition to this is the years where Collins and Mitchell seemed to be a regular part of the assistant structure at Hawthorn, but that clear changed with the establishment of a development academy (a trend taken from Sydney, which has in-turn spread right around the league).

 

[norway blue]

At this rate Brett Kirk is looking tastefull . A bit of left of centre , awareness , loyal and played great. Who’s to know who will be a good coach .


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[JustaBattler]

We're talking about the AFL here, not a growing company.

There are football department spending limitations, ethical responsibilities in terms of departments that need to be funded and staffed, and oh yes, it's a copycat league full of people severely lacking in traditional corporate skills.

It seems I am missing some point you are trying to make.

 

[Jimmae]

It seems I am missing some point you are trying to make.

When it comes to salary and departmental responsibilities, VFL coaches are generally the same across the board.