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Workshop Australian Flag
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We used to have one. It was called the Random Chat Megathread
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Good tedtalk and so relevant, its kind of why I've been favouring this design of late.
Simple, timeless and only three colours, no matter how its done imo the yellow never provides as good a contrast as the white or works as well as a 4th colour. Of course the green and gold is such a part of the Australian identity that it kind of feels like given the chance to redo a flag (again just imo but the flag change should be a part of the change to a republic whenever it happens) that it would be a mistake not to go Green and Gold somehow.
Andonis1997
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I'll never be happy with navy, dark green and white separating them.
Andonis1997
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Also...
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I think you'll find that support for a flag change has actually decreased in recent years. Not sure why but it has. That graph only goes to 1998.
Are you sure you're not a Crows fan?
Andonis1997
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I love the green and gold chevron design with the federation star on the left and the southern cross on the right. My only concern is the history of the chevron in Australia, as it does sort of look like a rugby jumper more than a flag. If the rugby jumper have copied something that is already uniquely Australian about the chevron, then that concern of mine would be eased.
I do like the notion of 'coming together' though, and the chevron is a pretty unique design for a flag.
I also have a concern as to whether our indigenous population would embrace it as it does seem to lack any aboriginal aspect.
I do like the notion of 'coming together' though, and the chevron is a pretty unique design for a flag.
I also have a concern as to whether our indigenous population would embrace it as it does seem to lack any aboriginal aspect.
Craegus
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So 3% of the population would determine if a flag design was appropriate as it doesn't feature something related to them?
fumbler
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So after watching the TED Design process i thought these ones would be ok.
The first one basically represents the water, the sand, the land, the open blue skies with the Commonwealth star right in the middle.
The second is the land (sand) the earth and the beautiful skies we have with a golden Commonwealth star
The first one basically represents the water, the sand, the land, the open blue skies with the Commonwealth star right in the middle.
The second is the land (sand) the earth and the beautiful skies we have with a golden Commonwealth star
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This design is sold enough, but blue green and white just doesn't look like Australia. If you're adding green, gold has to come with it.
Something like this:
It's not quite perfect, but it feels a lot more Australian
I think I read you can't have the two metallic colours (yellow and white representing gold and silver) adjacent on a flag. Other than that, they look great.
Mr Eagle
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Shouldn't, rather than can't.
A small follow-up to that TED Talk:
http://ideas.ted.com/7-fantastic-flags-that-break-every-design-rule/
Well they were 100% until they were pretty harshly invaded. Let's give them recognition in a flag that should rightly have their input involved.
fumbler
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Thanks.
Was thinking of making the star blue but it looked weird.
Stop with this already.
Hey let's add white and blue due to the Greeks building most of our dams and infrastructure.
Hey lets add red due to the Chinese basically being here as long as the white man or maybe longer
Hey lets add orange due to the Dutch finding Australia before The brits.
Hey lets just make a flag that is Australian.
Craegus
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Yeah I have to go with fumbler, yes they were the original inhabitants, but seriously continuing to single them out as being the one and only group who has to be considered when it comes to any major Australian decision including a new flag, just makes a minority of everyone else who has made this nation home or was born here without any say about what happened in the past.
The best way to move forward is to be inclusive of all and single no-one out for any reason, and a new flag must represent that.
One might argue that we should forgive, but not forget - that is how we do not make the same mistakes in the future.
If you see my comments I would appreciate a survey of some description asking for indigenous attitudes towards a flag change.
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This design is sold enough, but blue green and white just doesn't look like Australia. If you're adding green, gold has to come with it.
Something like this:
It's not quite perfect, but it feels a lot more Australian
Completely agree, that one feels much more Australian even though I still think the other example is 'stronger' (whatever the right term is) for having 3 colours rather then four, in the end whatever is chosen will feel Australian 100 years from now.
Still I've no real preference at the moment and would fine for either one.
Craegus
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But as I have also said doing so only polls 3% of the entire Australian population. If they are polled and for some reason say no to change, but the other 97% say yes, does that mean that we cannot change because the indigenous population said no.
The point you are making is not relevant to the reasons I would hope some indigenous content or inspiration is hopefully incorporated in my vision of the perfect Australian flag.
I understand and appreciate your point, but I feel as though we at least owe our indigenous some significant say that reflects their view on the flag change.
One could argue that they are only 3% as they suffer from lower life expectancies than other Australians, are misrepresented in prisons and have been treated fairly inhumanly in general throughout and since English settlement (which is actually represented in our current flag via the union jack).
I'm not expert on indigenous politics nor do I have understanding of their feelings towards English settlement and what that means for today's Australians, but I think we ought to at least ask what their communities generally have to say about a flag change, and I think we owe them greater than a 3% weighting.
Dylan8
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The asymmetry kills it for meThis design is sold enough, but blue green and white just doesn't look like Australia. If you're adding green, gold has to come with it.
Something like this:
It's not quite perfect, but it feels a lot more Australian
It's the best of the lot but yeah
It's like trying to make a new Port logo.
craegus footy_fumbler
IMO you're missing the point - a salute to indigenous Australians on a new flag wouldn't be for the 3% of indigenous people who currently make up the population. It would be for the entire indigenous people, past present and future.
Indigenous Australians are not comparable to other minorities that make up Australia today because they were and will always be the original inhabitants of the land. To compare that with the building of infrastructure is to completely misrepresent the importance of being the indigenous people to a land. They aren't just 'another minority'.
IMO you're missing the point - a salute to indigenous Australians on a new flag wouldn't be for the 3% of indigenous people who currently make up the population. It would be for the entire indigenous people, past present and future.
Indigenous Australians are not comparable to other minorities that make up Australia today because they were and will always be the original inhabitants of the land. To compare that with the building of infrastructure is to completely misrepresent the importance of being the indigenous people to a land. They aren't just 'another minority'.
Craegus
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Look yes there are issues, I do not deny that, but I still don't think that just because the indigenous people of this country have those issues (a debate for another forum) that they should be given any added say in a national decision as anyone who was born in this nation or came here for a better life, doing so would cause more issues as it would not be seen as a truly national decision, but rather a biased one which would cause the same issues as people have with the current flag.
I happily admit to having European heritage, but I was born here to parents who were born here to parents who were born here, so I am at least 3rd generation Australian (I have variations on when different branches of my family arrived) and as such see myself as nothing but Australian. My family had zero influence/participation into anything that occurred to the indigenous people of this country in the past through to today and if my vote was treated as anything less than equal to any other Australian I would not feel as though my vote was really considered.
No I don't believe I am. Currently the major argument for the current flag is the representation of the UK on our flag and the connotations with that to the events of the past as well as not recognising certain parts of the Australian population.
Adding indigenous elements to a new flag will once again place us in the exact same position as the current flag. Yes it may show respect to those people, but it also places them in a position of being more important than everyone else in the nation. Currently the Aboriginal and Torres Straight people have their own flags that represent those two groups and that is the way it should remain. Australia is made up of people from all corners of the globe and as such we need a flag that represents every one of them without putting precedence to one over another.
Look at Canada, and now even New Zealand, their flag and potential new flag respectively feature no symbols that represent the indigenous peoples of their nations or any other specific group, but rather symbols that represent all of their people and as such they are and may be strong symbols for their respective nations. Should New Zealand change then we will have two perfect examples of what we should do with possible designs for a new Australian flag, and even if they don't we really just need to take the example of Canada as the perfect way to create a flag for everyone.
