Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[ringo200]

I mean I’m sure there is malpractice in gender care, just as I’m sure there’s malpractice in cancer care.

I’m sure there are psychiatrists who have prescribed antidepressants to treat depression and the patient received no benefit from this and also experienced side effects that made things worse.

I’m sure there are psychologists who attempting to treat depression through talk therapy have made a comment or given advice that made the client’s depression worse. I’m sure there has been cases where this had fatal consequences.

I’m sure there are times someone who was not depressed was misdiagnosed and received treatment that had harmful effects.

But I don’t think the answer is to say we shouldn’t be offering talk therapy to people with depression, and we should ban prescribing antidepressants. Or to tell people they’re not really depressed hope it goes away if you say it to them enough.

The answer lies in better training, continuing research, professional licensing standards etc…

 

[PeterSalt]

I just don't get the "we need to be living off renewable energy" to meet a target, whilst selling fossil fuel to China who are building 60-100 new coal power stations a year that means even if we did reach our target, * all good it does the planet.

Sometimes the right hand has no idea what the left is doing

Long term should be looking at nuclear

Unlikely to happen with current laws in place

china is going to build them regardless. At least using Australian coal, they're using one the "cleanest" burning options. If we don't supply it, it'll they'll just be buying a "dirtier" option from alternative markets

 

[Cap]

So, your level of interest in / concern about an issue depends on how many people it affects. Doesn't matter if / how it impacts negatively on the people it does affect, just as long as there aren't too many of them.

No, that was in context to this being a distraction by Culture War warriors hyping something up to something well beyond its actual size.

"Without question". Which is just as well, I suppose, because "asking questions" aka exploratory therapy is now illegal in Victoria.

Do you understand any of the many reasons why a child / teenager might believe they are "trans"? I doubt it.

I highly doubt you do either.

Actually I'm reasonably confident my guess would be more reliable than your 'research'

Some things you need to know about these "experts":

1. They are not objective, and they have a conflict of interest. Their practices, their income stream, their very reputations depend on defending the notion of "trans kids" and their rejection of anything other than full affirmation.

2. They are not the only "experts", whose opinions can/should be accepted without question. There are many other experts who disagree with your selected "experts".

3. They think it's appropriate for three year olds to attend a gender clinic. Three. Year. Olds. Sorry, but that's bat$$t and I don't care how many PhDs they have between them, it's bat$$t.

Everyone's conflicted except you it seems.

3s the number. Almost like there is a developmental thing going on.

There's a video online of a woman in charge of a paediatric gender clinic in North America - can't recall her name - telling her audience about how a toddler who pops open the fasteners on his onesie and wears it like a skirt is expressing a trans identity. She's one of your "experts".

Yes, I'm well aware of your ability to scoure the internet for controversial thing from all over the world to try and establish a critical mass on this issue.

Or alternatively, "these children and their families" could be given more options than "affirmation without question". Or maybe we could be more accepting of gender non-conforming kids / kids who may be nascent gays/lesbians for what they are, without telling them they need to change their bodies.

Which is literally what they are doing. Accepting someone for who they are is not telling them they need to change.

Some of those families are homophobic, or at least phobic about their child being GNC. Some of them have genuine concerns and all they are seeing is "experts" who tell them those concerns are real and transition is the answer.

And it wouldn't be normal for any parent to have concerns over a treatment for literally anything their child's.

I'm not sure what else you are trying to say here. Parents are always right ?

You really haven't read / heard anything from the concerned professionals, have you?

"Medical" as such? No. But as Dr Hillary Cass said in her review of the Tavistock clinic in the UK, affirmation / social transitioning is not a neutral act. Affirm / socially transition a confused child, and you are locking in their self-perception. It's the first step towards transition, and once you've taken that step it's difficult to move off that path.

No it isnt medical, straight up.

But there are always people on boths sides, and they should always be reviewing best practice.

But there is no indication that the issues in the UK are the same here, if indeed they were issues.

But I think we've worked out we don't see eye to eye on this one.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Albo is the least interesting PM I can remember, and not in a good way.

There's an ABC series coming up on the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison hullabulloo. I'm looking forward to that. I can't imagine them making a doco on Albo. Will be dull as dish water. And he tried to project himself as the groovy politician, spinning decks and wearing band t-shirts.

I mean..

He could be interesting like Scomo was..

The bloke who thought God spoke to him through the painting of an eagle in an art gallery and told him he’d chosen him to lead Australia as PM..

PM says social media being used by ‘evil one’, gives rare insight into Pentecostal faith

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested social media could be used by “the evil one” to undermine Australian society, telling Christian leaders they are what the country needs right now.

amp.smh.com.au

The scomo that forces people to shake his hand for photo ops..



The scomo who scooted off to holiday in Hawaii with his family in the middle of the worst bushfires in this country’s history..

The bloke who played the ukalele on national tv… terribly… in a desperate last ditch attempt to make Aussies think he was just a normal bloke..



The bloke that had to have his wife tell him that rape isnt a good thing… before he worked it out..

Yep.. He sure wasnt dull!…

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I mean..

He could be interesting like Scomo was..

The bloke who thought God spoke to him through the painting of an eagle in an art gallery and told him he’d chosen him to lead Australia as PM..

PM says social media being used by ‘evil one’, gives rare insight into Pentecostal faith

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested social media could be used by “the evil one” to undermine Australian society, telling Christian leaders they are what the country needs right now.

amp.smh.com.au

The scomo that forces people to shake his hand for photo ops..

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The scomo who scooted off to holiday in Hawaii with his family in the middle of the worst bushfires in this country’s history..

The bloke who played the ukalele on national tv… terribly… in a desperate last ditch attempt to make Aussies think he was just a normal bloke..

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The bloke that had to have his wife tell him that rape isnt a good thing… before he worked it out..

Yep.. He sure wasnt dull!…

Also, swears himself into key portfolios without telling the ministers he was also monitoring those portfolios...

 

[Cap]

Interesting timing

Export ship carrying thousands of Australian cattle and sheep stuck in Red Sea route limbo

Animal advocates are "deeply concerned" about the situation, which could see the animals' journey prolonged as alternative route found around the deteriorating security situation.

www.abc.net.au

 

[spenze]

Long term should be looking at nuclear

Unlikely to happen with current laws in place

china is going to build them regardless. At least using Australian coal, they're using one the "cleanest" burning options. If we don't supply it, it'll they'll just be buying a "dirtier" option from alternative markets

Absolutely we should be going nuclear.

As for the coal...it is hypocritical for us to celebrate us going renewable whilst profiting from fossil fuels and worse, selling coal for people to make our renewable items. We should have cheap power here, not in a place that pollutes the world, uses slave labour but makes us cheap TVs.

We either have morals or we don't but the foot in both camps bollocks doesn't cut it, especially when we choose to have a foot in both camps because we look respectable whilst also profiting from what we say we detest and is going to kill the planet.

 

[PeterSalt]

Absolutely we should be going nuclear.

As for the coal...it is hypocritical for us to celebrate us going renewable whilst profiting from fossil fuels and worse, selling coal for people to make our renewable items. We should have cheap power here, not in a place that pollutes the world, uses slave labour but makes us cheap TVs.

We either have morals or we don't but the foot in both camps bollocks doesn't cut it, especially when we choose to have a foot in both camps because we look respectable whilst also profiting from what we say we detest and is going to kill the planet.

We have no morals .. it's all a facade

 

[Slippery Pete]

At the end of the day, given that this is very rare in Australia and that the medical and psycology services and the rule of law in Australia are all involved in any decisions..

Six-hundred plus kids on puberty blockers per year is what you call rare?

It is magnitudes less rare than…

a 12 year old rape victim getting an abortion..

 

[Bearded Clam]

Six-hundred plus kids on puberty blockers per year is what you call rare?

It is magnitudes less rare than…

600 plus new kids put on them every year?

Or 600 kids currently on them?

Give us the official government figures petey and provide the links..

And.. just how many people under 18 do you actually think there are in this county?.. its almost like your carrying on like there’s only a couple of thousand and youre screaming “600!!!!!” as if its some massive number..

I’m pretty certain there is close to 6 million Australians under the age of 18..

600 out of 6,000,000 is sweet fxxk all.. even 60,000 out of 6,000,000 is!

But… these are your claims.. this is whats clearly got you triggered..

So

Provide figures not blanket statements to justify your concerns.

Or else we’re just gonna look at (and laugh at) your claims as just more of Petey being dogwhistle triggered Petey again..

 

[Cap]

Tell me you are pushing a Culture war , without telling me are pushing a Culture war.

Child Maltreatment & Neglect Statistics | American SPCC

Statistics show that child maltreatment and neglect are increasing, and are often an effect of parental alcoholism or substance abuse. Learn the facts on child neglect at our Learning Center.

americanspcc.org

59,328 victims (10.1%) are sexually abused.

Child sexual abuse

Child sexual abuse page on the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare website

www.aihw.gov.au

71% (or about 13,400) were aged 10–17 years
about 5 in 6 were female (79%, or about 15,000) (ABS 2023b)

I'm sure only 1 of those poor kids got pregnant, not that these crusaders care about kids.

But imagine being so pathetic you try to down play sexual abuse to try and impress the Super Duper Truth squad.

 

[Cap]

600 plus new kids put on them every year?

Or 600 kids currently on them?

Give us the official government figures petey and provide the links..

And.. just how many people under 18 do you actually think there are in this county?.. its almost like your carrying on like there’s only a couple of thousand and youre screaming “600!!!!!” as if its some massive number..

I’m pretty certain there is close to 6 million Australians under the age of 18..

600 out of 6,000,000 is sweet fxxk all.. even 60,000 out of 6,000,000 is!

But… these are your claims.. this is whats clearly got you triggered..

So

Provide figures not blanket statements to justify your concerns.

Or else we’re just gonna look at (and laugh at) your claims as just more of Petey being dogwhistle triggered Petey again..

I think we are at the point where you can tell how stupid/racist/ignorant a post is.

The more of the super duper truth team like it, the worse it is. But the ultimate level of stupid is the three amigos.

 

[rocket18]

Again, my view…
all I would like to see is free and easily accessed health services provided for pregnant women where they can go and be helped by experienced and qualified doctors.

Its none of my business.

I think you’ll find that this view is the view of the majority of Australian and American citizens… you just need to take a look at the results of votes taken on abortion rights held in some of even the most conservative Republican states in the US since the Roe v Wade overturning to know this..

I reckon you are incorrect that your view is supported by the majority of Australians.

All states have legislation with a 'cut off' date for abortion (unless for emergencies). If your view was correct people would be in the streets fighting to remove any restrictions.

I think most people are very comfortable with the status quo, women have a choice up to week X - be it week 22, 24 - I'll leave that to the doctors. Presumably the time is framed around when the baby is viable.

Sorry if I misunderstood your position but I think very few people would support 'any reason' abortions after week 24ish, it really is far left thinking that women have the choice at any stage of their pregnancy to terminate - the laws reflect this.

Are you going to start a movement to overturn our legislation and remove all restrictions?

 

[kirky]

Where is Mr Potato Head at the moment? He has gone into hiding when this idea of boycotting Woolworths has spectacularly backfired.

Retailers standing firm on dumping Aus Day merch after backlash

Retailers aren't backing down over dumping Australia Day merchandise – because the majority of customers don't seem to care.

www.thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Bearded Clam]

I think we are at the point where you can tell how stupid/racist/ignorant a post is.

The more of the super duper truth team like it, the worse it is. But the ultimate level of stupid is the three amigos.

Bit of a story..

when I was a young lad, (in the early 90’s) my mates and I used to spend most friday arvo’s down the front bar of our local.. few beers, games of 8 ball etc etc..

One day I started chating to one of the old bar flies that was always down there..
Anyway, he starts telling me about all these Aboriginals living out in the desert in central Australia (of course, he didnt refer to them as Aboriginals but used a more colourful name) that the government, obviously using his tax dollars, gives all these brand new landcruisers to.. just hands them out to them no questions asked..

And these Aboriginal people, according to him, would drive these landcruisers until they ran out of fuel… at which point they’d simply dump them on the side of the road and leave them there never to be used again.. and theres hundreds of these brand new landy’s abandoned all over the countryside out there..

And 18 year old straight out of school dumb as fxxk me pretty much took his word for it!..

So much so that when I got home that night and had a couple more beers with my old man.. I repeated it to him..

I’ll never forget his response because he rightfully ripped me a new one.. calling me an ignorant fool etc etc for simply believing any old nonsense, and it was nonsense, some pisshead bloke down the front bar of the local told me without question.

The old mans response is one of the reasons I have never forgotten the story. It has stuck with me still to this day..

As it turns out it was of course nonsense.. there werent all these abandoned brand new landcruisers scattered throughout the countryside with barely 1000ks on their clocks.. dumped because their first tank of fuel had run out.

And this was actually an urban myth that started in the 90’s and was spread around as if it was the gospel truth for years..

My point?

Its just an example of how easily urban myths, conspiracy theories, disinformation and downright nonsense (especially if it involves everyones favourite pastime - the persecution of minority groups in our society!) can be spread.. especially if it reaches the ears of ignorant morons.. and yes, I will fully admit that back in those days I was young, dumb and ignorant.. I think most young Aussie males were.

But the difference is..
back then this type of nonsense spread slowly by word of mouth.. nonsense being dribbled in front bars, church groups, around camp fires, in school playgrounds, at workplaces etc etc..

Nowdays it spreads like wildfire on the internet!.. within hours stories/opinions based on absolute bullshit can spread all the way around the country before anyone can even gets the chance to refute them..

People like the three amigo’s are fed, read and believe, without question, this unsubstantiated drivel then repeat to us all here 24 hours a day 7 days a week..
Its a never ending cycle of nonsense.

Maybe, in a way, Slippery Pete simply reminds me of that young, ignorant, stupid early 1990’s me!..

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Where is Mr Potato Head at the moment? He has gone into hiding when this idea of boycotting Woolworths has spectacularly backfired.

Retailers standing firm on dumping Aus Day merch after backlash

Retailers aren't backing down over dumping Australia Day merchandise – because the majority of customers don't seem to care.

www.thenewdaily.com.au

If I were a Liberal voter, I would find this strategy concerning. You lean into this kind of performative bullshit when you've got nothing substantial to offer voters.

 

[Cap]

If I were a Liberal voter, I would find this strategy concerning. You lean into this kind of performative bullshit when you've got nothing substantial to offer voters.

It's almost like Culture Wars are a distraction isn't it.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

It's almost like Culture Wars are a distraction isn't it.

I wonder if they prefer culture wars because the current economy works just fine for their base. Older Australians have seen their property values go up and can get a decent rate on their savings now. The current economy ****s younger people way harder.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I suppose late to the party after everyone's gone home is better than not turning up at all.

Finally he might start focusing on what is important to Australian families who have been doing it tough for the last 2 years with Airbus AWOL more interested in The Voice which he absolutely stuffed up.

All of a sudden the bllody obvious has become "Ürgent" so has he finally awoken from his slumber? One bloody well hopes so.

Strange..

For an economy thats full of people struggling to afford to even live.. Us Aussies sure do like to continue spending like drunken sailors.. we apparently went all out this christmas surpasing last year..

The $1479 cost about to hit Aussies

How much Australians in each state are expected to spend over Christmas this year has been revealed.

7news.com.au

Then… we somehow, given how much we are all supposedly struggling to even afford to live, managed to smash records for new vehicle sales in 2023..

With the top selling vehicle being the Ford Ranger.. a big 4x4 diesel chewing truck..

Australia Hits One Million New Car Sales in October 2023 - AfMA

Australia’s new car market has recorded a total of 106,809 vehicle sales in October 2023.

afma.org.au

Still.. I went to the local westfield shopping centre this morning and it was empty.. oh, wait, I wish!.. it was fxxkn packed and it took me bloody ages to just find a park..

Customers everywhere spending money on shit they dont really need.

Yet we’re all whinging, and also being told by the media, that we can barely rub two cents together..

 

[Cap]

Strange..

For an economy thats full of people struggling to afford to even live.. Us Aussies sure do like to continue spending like drunken sailors.. we apparently went all out this christmas surpasing last year..

The $1479 cost about to hit Aussies

How much Australians in each state are expected to spend over Christmas this year has been revealed.

7news.com.au

Then… we somehow, given how much we are all supposedly struggling to even afford to live, managed to smash records for new vehicle sales in 2023..

With the top selling vehicle being the Ford Ranger.. a big 4x4 diesel chewing truck..

Australia Hits One Million New Car Sales in October 2023 - AfMA

Australia’s new car market has recorded a total of 106,809 vehicle sales in October 2023.

afma.org.au

Still.. I went to the local westfield shopping centre this morning and it was empty.. oh, wait, I wish!.. it was fxxkn packed and it took me bloody ages to just find a park..

Customers everywhere spending money on s**t they dont really need.

Yet we’re all whinging, and also being told by the media, that we can barely rub two cents together..

I have to admit, I was most surprised at those Victorians

I thought they were living under a dictator and where taxed so much they'd all be eating thistle soup

 

[Crow till I die]

Are you serious?

Albo wouldnt be calling all his MP's in a fortnight early if he didn't see the Cost Of Living as a major problem for their re-election chances, sobviously his advisors must be seeing it as a far bigger issue than you and your brethren.

Nup, you are wrong because clam saw a few people once at a shopping centre and it took a few minutes to park...you have been debunked

 

[Bearded Clam]

Nup, you are wrong because clam saw a few people once at a shopping centre and it took a few minutes to park...you have been debunked

Did you miss the rest of what I wrote in that comment and the attached articles?.

Oh, wait, sorry, that goldfish like memory of yours would’ve completely forgotten the first few paragraphs of my comment by the time you got through to reading the last!..

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So the minister for communications lied to the public because she didn't want to cause panic about 000 not working for all optus users.

Wtf, surely it was important to let people know that in emergencies, alternative arrangements were needed.

Ironic that the minister for communications is shit at communicating!

'You really need to ask Optus': Emails reveal behind-the-scenes chaos during unprecedented outage

Optus and the federal government spent hours during last year's unprecedented outage telling the public triple-0 calls from mobiles should work despite mounting evidence to the contrary behind the scenes, documents obtained under Freedom of Information laws reveal.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Bearded Clam]

Are you serious?

Albo wouldnt be calling all his MP's in a fortnight early if he didn't see the Cost Of Living as a major problem for their re-election chances, so obviously his advisors must be seeing it as a far bigger issue than you and your brethren.

Man you are naive..

you dont honestly think that Albo can actually do a whole lot about it do you?..

the only thing that can slow inflation is people spending less. And the Reserve Bank is only barely starting to get on top of it using its “interest rate hike” blunt instrument. It will be interesting to see what effect the christmas spendathon we just had will have on the next inflation figures.

What Albo is doing here is what every government Labor or Lib has ever done.. making it look like its “onto it” and “doing all it can”..

it’s all smoke and mirrors. Every government does it.

Sure.. he could give everyone a little sugar hit by reducing the fuel excise, giving power bill relief, or cash payments to low income earners.. and he probably will as a political bandaid solution..
but that can often just make the problem worse.

we need to simply ride it out.

But we should also be asking how we get into this situation.. and I’ll give you a clue..

Failed conservative economics and the utter bullshit of “trickle down“ that conservative morons have been pushing constantly for the last 50 years here and around the globe.

In Australia all its resulted in is creating a huge group of ”working poor“ people who, whenever inflation and cost of living issues start to bite, get right royally screwed… because sweet fuxk all actually ”trickles down”…
whilst the upper middle class and the rich get to continue building endless piles of wealth and spend like drunken sailors.

if you removed your head from your arse and stopped watching and cheering on the muppets on Skynews and Fox, who blindly follow failed conservative economic practice, and actually realised what‘s happening around the world you’d know this..

Kirky has been trying to school you on it for years.. but all you can do is bleat “labor bad” constantly while flapping your LNP pompoms.

You stubbornly refuse to listen.

 

[Cap]

https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/australia-is-heading-for-a-manufacturing-wasteland-as-local-suppliers-forced-to-shut-up-shop-lay-off-workers-in-the-name-of-labors-green-insanity/news-story/c76a2b5c5b873205d60bc2cddecf9fda

It's worth the read for a laugh. Written by a guy who looks exactly as you'd expect him to and so desperate for credibility he actually uses 'Senior Fellow' at a LNP think-tank in his bio.