Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Cap]

Interesting article in the AFR

How Treasurer Jim Chalmers is rated by 10 economists

Leading economists surveyed by The Australian Financial Review were asked to assess the performance of Treasurer Jim Chalmers and rate him out of 10.

www.afr.com

Out of 10, how would you rate Jim Chalmers’ performance as Treasurer so far?
Eslake: 7

Hutley: 6.5. As a teacher might say, good work, but could do better. As is so often the case, politics tends to get in the way of good economic policy. But so far, Chalmers has got more right than wrong and has set the scene to be more bold, should he and the PM choose.

Holden: 7, after adjusting for coming into the job in challenging circumstances.

Winzar: 7. After several years without much policy reform under previous governments, Chalmers has held significant consultation on a range of issues – including through the Jobs and Skills Summit and employment white paper, the women’s economic equality taskforce and the Intergenerational Report. But we haven’t seen a lot of reform yet, other than small changes, such as the taxing of earnings on high-balance superannuation accounts. This year we really need to move from consultation to implementation.

Anthony: 6.5

Blythe: 7.5. It’s difficult to judge a treasurer with only a relatively short period in office. There hasn’t been time to make defining contributions of the likes of Keating (eight years as treasurer) and Costello (11 years). That said, the economic scorecard doesn’t look too bad. GDP growth has remained positive – the feared recession was avoided. The unemployment rate held close to 50-year lows – policymakers had to lower their jobless forecasts as the year went on. Inflation rates remained too high, but the peak has passed. And there was even some (modest) attempts at reform such as an RBA review and changes to superannuation, childcare and taxes on oil and gas. Measures to help ease cost-of-living pressures also helped at the margin.

Downes: 8 or 9. It’s one of the toughest jobs going. It’s impossible to judge without knowing the constraints that he is working with. He obviously works hard and has a good working relationship with Treasury, using its analytical capacity to good effect.

Hamilton: 6. Not exactly a disaster, but with a fair bit of room for improvement. The treasurer came to office with the promise of being the new Keating, but so far seems to be more like the new Swan. Before the election, many who know him well told me he is terrific, but in practice he has disappointed. His essay in The Monthly was a big red flag – it made me doubt whether he is the serious thinker some led me to believe.

McKibbin: I would rate him an 8 so far. Chalmers is one of Australia’s best treasurers. However, if he was involved in the design of the industrial relations changes in the Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Secure Jobs, Better Pay) Act 2022, I would make it 6. This re-regulation of the labour market will further reduce Australia’s low productivity growth.

Miller: 5.5

 

[George Kramer]

40,000 kids have green eyes.

You doing an investigation? Seems a seriously big number

Trying to be clever but that’s just a stupid post

 

[kirky]

You know when you’ve got Mutineer snookered when all his comeback is, is laugh emoji on one’s post.

 

[kirky]

Interesting article in the AFR

How Treasurer Jim Chalmers is rated by 10 economists

Leading economists surveyed by The Australian Financial Review were asked to assess the performance of Treasurer Jim Chalmers and rate him out of 10.

www.afr.com

Oh someone won’t like this.

 

[Cap]

Trying to be clever but that’s just a stupid post

It was as equally as stupid as yours, which was the point.

But hey, welcome back

 

[George Kramer]

It was as equally as stupid as yours, which was the point.

But hey, welcome back

Nah, that’s what a silly person would think.

Clams discounted Slipperys concern by stating it’s only 10,000 kids as if that’s insignificant because there’s a lot more kids not impacted. That’s just a bizarre opinion.

You tried to be clever, perhaps you even thought it was funny, you might want to do better next time because it sucked.

As for being back, nah these threads suck.

 

[Vader]

Vader can you put Kirky right please.

I'm not going near this particular argument. Make your own case.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Nah, that’s what a silly person would think.

Clams discounted Slipperys concern by stating it’s only 10,000 kids as if that’s insignificant because there’s a lot more kids not impacted. That’s just a bizarre opinion.

You tried to be clever, perhaps you even thought it was funny, you might want to do better next time because it sucked.

As for being back, nah these threads suck.

Someone "maybe famous" might once have said of Cap, "Don't underestimate Caps ability to fxxk things up"

 

[Bearded Clam]

Hang on your discounting something as not a concern because it’s only 10,000 kids? That’s a really odd defence. 10,000 kids go missing, no big deal there are still nearly 6,000,000 left.

No..

We all have no idea if its as high as 10,000..

All we know is that its lower than 10,000 and could be as low as 600..

He claimed it was “600 more each year”.. we dont know if thats the case or not.

But we have asked Slippery Pete to provide the actual numbers and, apart from quoting a whole heap of different figures from the Daily Terrorgraph, he is yet to provide anything that could be considered close to accurate or official..

Its just more of the way it has always been in here..

Slippery and the other two amigos start frothing over an issue their political masters have dogwhistled to them over..

We ask.. “well come on… back up your claims with some substance and well all be able to consider and discuss it..”

But he never does.. we get all these rubbery figures and easily debunked nonsense.

Maybe you can give him a hand George and look the official figures up for him and provide them all to us.. including links..

 

[Bearded Clam]

“Only 10,000.”

Wow.

One child taking puberty blockers is one child too many, freako.

The “freako” in here is the one who clearly constantly tosses and turns in his bed all night unable to get to sleep as he’s worrying about childrens genitals..

The “freakos” are those who are so easily led that they simply believe any old nonsense they hear from the political hard right masters and the unsubstantiated nonsense they read on their conspiracy theory forums and websites.

The Freakos are those willing to use children in our societies, children that are already having an extremely difficult time in life, as their little political footballs..

Leave these kids and their families along you knuckle dragger..
they dont need your help or your faux concerns.

 

[Bearded Clam]

The other thing about Bearded Commie’s argument here, is that he seems to be admitting (I suspect unwittingly) that kids undergoing these treatments is a bad thing — otherwise, why would he be at such pains to point out how “rare” it is?

If you thought it was a good thing, wouldn’t you be saying “I’m glad it’s at least 10,000, and I’m hoping it becomes whole lot more..”

Nope..

You’ve been asked to provide us all with the official figures..

You have been frothing and bubbling on about it like this is rife and that half of Australia’s children are all of a sudden getting sex changes..

So…
Provide the figures or continue to look the ignorant clueless fool thats easily triggered..

 

[Slippery Pete]

Nope..

You’ve been asked to provide us all with the official figures..

You have been frothing and bubbling on about it like this is rife and that half of Australia’s children are all of a sudden getting sex changes..

So…
Provide the figures or continue to look the ignorant clueless fool thats easily triggered..

How many times do you need to be told that the Daily Telegraph asked for an FOI from the government, the government provided that FOI, and the DT then published that information (which I shared several posts ago).

Do you even know what an FOI is?

Here is further recognition of that FOI in Senate Hansard.

Hansard Display

Hansard Display

www.aph.gov.au

You’re as thick as shit.

 

[Bearded Clam]

How many times do you need to be told that the Daily Telegraph asked for a FOI from the government, the government provided that FOI, and the DT then published that information (which I shared several posts ago).

Do you even know what an FOI is?

You’re as thick as s**t.

Fxxk me..

are you seriously suggesting we are meant to take that fxxked up right wing rag’s (who’s contibutors are well know for being homophobe’s, anti-trans, science denying conservative dinosaurs who are known fxxkn liars) word for it?..

And not only that the article is trapped behind a paywall.. and then you’ve cut and pasted from it..

How the fxxk is anyone meant to take that as “official figures”..

You couldnt even add the dozen or so numbers up that the article provided…

Which were..

Number of Australian children being treated for gender dysphoria revealed

The number of Australian children enrolled in public adolescent gender clinics has skyrocketed in the past eight years, exclusive new data reveals.

But the true figure is believed to be far higher, because it doesn’t count kids treated in private facilities or by GPs.

There were 2067 young people attending public clinics in 2021, almost 10 times the number in 2014, when there were 211 children.

The number of under 18s being prescribed puberty suppressing drugs shot up from five in 2014 to 624 in 2019, but dropped to 198 in 2021, possibly due to Covid lockdowns.

In 2021, 204 adolescents were on cross sex hormones to encourage the development of sexual characteristics opposite to their biological sex, up from 27 in 2014.

The FOIs also show that the numbers of kids enrolled in gender clinics are growing proportionally faster in Victoria and Queensland, than in other states.

There were 1120 kids enrolled in public clinics in Victoria last year and 635 in Queensland.

Meanwhile, the number of kids on puberty blockers have dropped in Queensland from a high of 171 in 2018 to 70 in 2021, but it is still the highest number of any state. NSW and Victoria saw its highest numbers yet in 2021, 49 and 42 respectively.

Queensland’s public clinics had 83 children on cross sex hormones in 2021, the highest of any state, while Victoria had 78 and WA 37. There are no figures for NSW or SA.

I mean… what a fxxkn jumbled mess of utter fxxkn bullshit that is..

It even admits that the figures are up and down and have actually dropped at times in the past few years..

It is literally impossible to put an exact number on how many kids are on Pubity Blockers (the thing you are clearly triggered by that started this conversation) from that information the DT and you have provided but it looks like it could currently be less than 500..

So.. the question to you still remains..

Provide the exact official figures!

 

[George Kramer]

No..

We all have no idea if its as high as 10,000..

All we know is that its lower than 10,000 and could be as low as 600..

He claimed it was “600 more each year”.. we dont know if thats the case or not.

But we have asked Slippery Pete to provide the actual numbers and, apart from quoting a whole heap of different figures from the Daily Terrorgraph, he is yet to provide anything that could be considered close to accurate or official..

Its just more of the way it has always been in here..

Slippery and the other two amigos start frothing over an issue their political masters have dogwhistled to them over..

We ask.. “well come on… back up your claims with some substance and well all be able to consider and discuss it..”

But he never does.. we get all these rubbery figures and easily debunked nonsense.

Maybe you can give him a hand George and look the official figures up for him and provide them all to us.. including links..

All that is irrelevant to your “it’s only 10,000 and there’s 6,000,000 kids so big deal”

 

[Slippery Pete]

Fxxk me..

are you seriously suggesting we are meant to take that fxxked up right wing rag’s (who’s contibutors are well know for being homophobe’s, anti-trans, science denying conservative dinosaurs who are known fxxkn liars) word for it?..

I’m suggesting you take the government FOI‘s word for it.

The relevant figure, the central figure I originally spoke about, is the 624 kids on puberty blockers in 2019 (up from FIVE in 2014).

Now if you keep asking me for the source I can only assume you think the DT is just straight out lying about that 624 figure, that they didn’t get it from the FOI, they just made it up, out of thin air, and nobody has caught them.

Really? That’s what you think? That’s your final argument?

 

[Bearded Clam]

How many times do you need to be told that the Daily Telegraph asked for an FOI from the government, the government provided that FOI, and the DT then published that information (which I shared several posts ago).

Do you even know what an FOI is?

Here is further recognition of that FOI in Senate Hansard.

Hansard Display

Hansard Display

www.aph.gov.au

You’re as thick as s**t.

Bahahaha….

A hansard of a Senator Antic speech… the biggest god bothering hard right moron in federal parliament.

It just gets better with you!

Hes a well know homophobe and transphobe and doesnt believe in science.

“Thick as shit” would be putting any trust whatsoever in that lowlife unrepresentative swill claims and pricking your ears up everytime he dog whistles to you..

 

[Bearded Clam]

All that is irrelevant to your “it’s only 10,000 and there’s 6,000,000 kids so big deal”

So..

I take it you cant find the current figures either?

I’m pretty sure its nowhere near 10,000..

And more likely less than 600..

 

[Slippery Pete]

Bahahaha….

A hansard of a Senator Antic speech… the biggest god bothering hard right moron in federal parliament.

It just gets better with you!

Hes a well know homophobe and transphobe and doesnt believe in science.

“Thick as s**t” would be putting any trust whatsoever in that lowlife unrepresentative swill claims and pricking your ears up everytime he dog whistles to you..

HE’S QUOTING AN FOI

 

[George Kramer]

So..

I take it you cant find the current figures either?

I’m pretty sure its nowhere near 10,000..

And more likely less than 600..

I’m not going to look for the numbers as I have no interest in the numbers. I merely picked up your flippant disregard for 10,000 kids. You could easily just accept what you posted wasn’t cool, own up to it and move on.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I’m suggesting you take the government FOI‘s word for it.

The relevant figure, the central figure I originally spoke about, is the 624 kids on puberty blockers in 2019 (up from FIVE in 2014).

Now if you keep asking me for the source I can only assume you think the DT is just straight out lying about that 624 figure, that they didn’t get it from the FOI, they just made it up, out of thin air, and nobody has caught them.

Really? That’s what you think? That’s your final argument?

No you muppet.. youre not getting out of it that easily Chicken little..

You wrote..



“600 plus kids on puberty blockers PER year”

I asked you directly is that “600 new kids per year put on them”? or “600 plus currently?.

Its finally taken you a half a dozen or so comments to come clean and say “its 624 (in total) in 2019”.. thats where the figure came from.

I asked you to provide a link to where you got this figure..

Which you finally did.. but when you read that you see this little beauty..

The number of under 18s being prescribed puberty suppressing drugs shot up from five in 2014 to 624 in 2019, but dropped to 198 in 2021, possibly due to Covid lockdowns.

Just Fuxxking WOW!!!…

So Pete… the 600 plus figure you were using on saturday morning has now, at last count, actually dropped to 198.

Tell me Pete…

why did you take and use the older higher number of 624 (and dodgily make it sound like it was per year as in extra per year) in your original comment instead of the newer, but smaller, figure of 198???…

This is why you and your utter nonsense can never be trusted and you constantly need to be pushed to provide links to the places you get your info..

You will blatently cherry pick out shit to suit your arguement.

Just how fxxkn low can one get.. cherry picking data to justify politically attacking young children who are going through a tough time in life. How fxxkn low.

Oh well.. its only you that has to look at yourself in the mirror each day..

 

[Crow till I die]

HE’S QUOTING AN FOI

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Its rant rant rant

"But the sun DOESN'T come up IN THE BLOODY MORNING you right wing extremist moron MAGA idiot"

Is about the quality of the response you get

 

[Cap]

I’m not going to look for the numbers as I have no interest in the numbers. I merely picked up your flippant disregard for 10,000 kids. You could easily just accept what you posted wasn’t cool, own up to it and move on.

It's not a blatant disregard if you think Children getting the care they need is a good thing.

That's the crux of their argument, that was the point of my joke.

1 person thinks it's the end of the world, the other is happy for kids to get the care they need.

Pete isn't the one that cares about kids.

Trust me, let it be.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I’m not going to look for the numbers as I have no interest in the numbers. I merely picked up your flippant disregard for 10,000 kids. You could easily just accept what you posted wasn’t cool, own up to it and move on.

Well you dont need to.. if we are to take the DT/FOI word for it..

The most recent figure of kids in Australia on pubity blockers is

198

Yep.. 198 out of 6,000,000..

Wow

But 198 or 10,000..

To me it matters not.. all I care about is that these children, even if was up to 100,000 of them, are getting the best psycological and medical care that they require.. and that all Australian laws are being adhered to.. because..

what these kids, their families with the help and guidance of science and their doctors/psychologists are doing..

Is none of my fxxkn business.

And it should be none of pete’s either but he clearly spends a lot of his time triggered and worrying about children and what sort of genitals they have..

 

[George Kramer]

It's not a blatant disregard if you think Children getting the care they need is a good thing.

That's the crux of their argument, that was the point of my joke.

1 person thinks it's the end of the world, the other is happy for kids to get the care they need.

Pete isn't the one that cares about kids.

Trust me, let it be.

That’s not the way his response was framed, it was it’s only 10,000 kids out of 6,000,000 big deal. That suggests it doesn’t matter as the scheme it’s only a small fraction of the population, even though 10,000 is a huge number.

Do 3 year old kids know what care they need? Surely they need time to make such a decision not have a parent make that call for them?

As for caring about kids, that’s just a shit comment, Pete clearly cares about kids, you’re just trying to win a point by a disgusting insult.

 

[George Kramer]

Well you dont need to.. if we are to take the DT/FOI word for it..

The most recent figure of kids in Australia on pubity blockers is

198

Yep.. 198 out of 6,000,000..

Wow

But 198 or 10,000..

To me it matters not.. all I care about is that these children, even if was up to 100,000 of them, are getting the best psycological and medical care that they require.. and that all Australian laws are being adhered to.. because..

what these kids, their families with the help and guidance of science and their doctors/psychologists are doing..

Is none of my fxxkn business.

And it should be none of pete’s either but he clearly spends a lot of his time triggered and worrying about children and what sort of genitals they have..

Has nothing to do with the way your answer was framed.