Australian Wrestling thread

[JustHavinAGeez]

I was at the PCW show on the 4th, which to my knowledge was before this went public in the local media but after this police investigation was in process. The person in question is usually a pretty visible presence at these events, at this show he was nowhere to be seen. Whether the other owners of the company removed this person or he simply chose not to be visible is another matter.

These situations often get weaponised by people either seeking clout or personal gain with very little concern to the victims of abuse.

Also pertaining to two major accusations of behaviour from people associated with MCW.

First the sexual assault claim from one wrestler to another, there were many with pitchforks and torches, but just as many who questioned the versions of events posted. Being this never went to a legal matter and hasn't been discussed since, it's either unfortunately a terrible case of he said/she said in a messy break up between two adults and/or there are no grounds of a crime being committed to warrant further investigation.

Second, the person who made that very idiotic comment over 15 years ago has openly apologised for it, seriously if we're going to burn at the stake every person who said dumb shit when in their teens or early 20's, that's a very slippery slope to go down.

There are some absolutely horrible people in local wrestling and some of them continue to not only survive, but openly thrive in spite of their behaviour, but at the same time this whole attitude of trying to be judge/jury/executioner doesn't sit well with me. Everyone is going to have their differing beliefs to victims and unless they become legal matters like the above mentioned police investigation, there's going to be shades of grey in terms of how people respond. I believe that any claims of abuse should be taken seriously, accusations taken properly into account and matters investigated, but after that unless there's a clear legal verdict then there's always going to be people who read matters differently.

Some people's actions make me openly uncomfortable, so I don't support these businesses, that they are a part of even if I had prior. But at the same time, even if I find some people reprehensible, I cannot judge those who are more forgiving because that's not my decision to make. All I can do is be an open, supporting and transparent person wherever possible.

Bloody hell what a mess.

 

[Dingbat McFlurry]

Calling yourself an insider while posting half truths on the internet at 3am is a wild way to live your life. First rule of life, talk to people before you talk about people.

 

[Cleavy]

thread is getting a bit spicy!

 

[auswrestlinginsider]

First the sexual assault claim from one wrestler to another, there were many with pitchforks and torches, but just as many who questioned the versions of events posted. Being this never went to a legal matter and hasn't been discussed since, it's either unfortunately a terrible case of he said/she said in a messy break up between two adults and/or there are no grounds of a crime being committed to warrant further investigation.

Second, the person who made that very idiotic comment over 15 years ago has openly apologised for it, seriously if we're going to burn at the stake every person who said dumb shit when in their teens or early 20's, that's a very slippery slope to go down.

So where is the line drawn? Do we only judge and cast those out who have been proven guilty by the courts? Because many people within wrestling have been harassed, cancelled, abused, boycotted etc based on allegations that at times don't even have evidence. Quackenbush for example has people up in arms but there were no charges on him ever.

Calling yourself an insider while posting half truths on the internet at 3am is a wild way to live your life. First rule of life, talk to people before you talk about people.

You're right, we shouldn't talk badly about people unless we know the full story...

I just saw FWA's likes on twitter and its pretty much all female wrestler thirst traps. There are also credible stories of him trying to get into the hotel rooms of the female z listers that he flies out. It is a very bad look

Ritchie burnt every single bridge on the way out which is why he's only going to be booked by child groomers, backyarders and grifters from here on in.

Pretty sure Bateman already sold most of his possessions

All-Star Wrestling have form with booking the very worst people

MXW love booking the APW child groomer

The smart money would be "Someone we haven't heard of that doesn't have the correct visa"

Oh...

 

[JustHavinAGeez]

So where is the line drawn? Do we only judge and cast those out who have been proven guilty by the courts? Because many people within wrestling have been harassed, cancelled, abused, boycotted etc based on allegations that at times don't even have evidence. Quackenbush for example has people up in arms but there were no charges on him ever.



You're right, we shouldn't talk badly about people unless we know the full story...

Okay.

I have seen things linking to the behaviour of certain people in the local wrestling scene that I personally find abhorrent, so I make my decision to not offer any support to places they are at, but that's my choice. If others disagree with my choices and chose to support these companies then good luck to them.

And in Quackenbush's case, again that's my choice to be wary of the blokes. Not just from the random accusations made against him, but the fact that under his tenure there were three wrestlers within his promotion who were outed for being offenders with one of his most well known students now being publicised for being a creep too and that many of the longest tenured people from Chikara immediately ceased all affiliation with the company and Quack as a person when these stories came out. I was a massive Chikara supporter, but being it was also marketed as a family friendly company, these allegations inform my decision to believe him being in a position of authority over any impressionable person (like teacher/student arrangement at a school) is not a good thing. But again, that's my choice, if someone feels the opportunity to train under him is worth the risk then that's their choice too.

Once again, you seem hell bent on being seen as the moral standard, I'm just not sure what saying the same thing over and over achieves in creating safer spaces and/or helping those who have faced abuse.

 

[Dingbat McFlurry]

So where is the line drawn? Do we only judge and cast those out who have been proven guilty by the courts? Because many people within wrestling have been harassed, cancelled, abused, boycotted etc based on allegations that at times don't even have evidence. Quackenbush for example has people up in arms but there were no charges on him ever.



You're right, we shouldn't talk badly about people unless we know the full story...













Oh...

yep and I had all the information, often including screenshots, although two of these are clearly joke that you have posted without the context. which is consistent with your usual bad faith method of arguing

 

[Big Time Greg]

So where is the line drawn? Do we only judge and cast those out who have been proven guilty by the courts? Because many people within wrestling have been harassed, cancelled, abused, boycotted etc based on allegations that at times don't even have evidence. Quackenbush for example has people up in arms but there were no charges on him ever.



You're right, we shouldn't talk badly about people unless we know the full story...













Oh...

Time well spent,

While you’re on about the bad people in wrestling, weren’t there rumours about Ryan Eagles conduct prior to leaving PWA?

An insider would know more about that

 

[auswrestlinginsider]

I'm just not sure what saying the same thing over and over achieves in creating safer spaces and/or helping those who have faced abuse.

I'm not trying to create a safer space, I don't have that power which is my point. The only people who have the power to make change are the customers as a collective but everyone will justify certain circumstances if it is one of their favourites whilst acting outraged about those that they don't view favourably.

yep and I had all the information, often including screenshots, although two of these are clearly joke that you have posted without the context. which is consistent with your usual bad faith method of arguing

Screenshots? But you said your first rule was talking to each party, screenshots can be easily falsified or taken out of context.

Have you talked to Fivey, Ritchie, Bateman, All Stars, MXW, the accused child groomer or with MXW about using incorrect visas for internationals? Seems unlikely.

Time well spent,

While you’re on about the bad people in wrestling, weren’t there rumours about Ryan Eagles conduct prior to leaving PWA?

An insider would know more about that

Don't know anything about his conduct and he also hasn't wrestled in years so seems unfair to mention him as someone "in wrestling"

 

[JustHavinAGeez]

Tapping out from this part of the discussion. There is nothing to gain, like you said people will turn a blind eye as it suits them and there's no real ability to influence change, so all this is doing is going round in circles..