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Contemplating whether a different move might have kept me in the game

Blinds are 3/6k and I am BB.

Utg raises to 15k and it folds to me with KK and 33k extra.

I shove

Utg eventually calls and turns over A8

And yes A on the river is enough

My thought was what would happen if I flat called the 15k and see a low flop of 963 and then shove - do they fold?

I know I am quarterbacking because the flop was low

But would I get away with it? Does my flat indicate low pockets and I get away with it?

Thoughts?
Unlucky to get rivered

Raiser got lucky, don't over think this one

I got screwed over on Wednesday last week AQ vs A9 and I already had a call from the SB who probably folded what was likely an eventual winner, bloke in the BB rips it over the top with his A9 and forces the SB to fold. I was all in for 250k at 40-80k blinds.

Safe king high flop, jack of hearts on the turn, gives me a straight draw but he a flush draw, he hits a black 9 on the river to send me packing, the bloke completely overvalued the strength of his hand and got lucky in what should have been a triple up for me, what can I do? I'll outplay this bloke time and time again with his loose range if I come up against him again, can't keep on relying on luck.
 
Unlucky to get rivered

Raiser got lucky, don't over think this one

I got screwed over on Wednesday last week AQ vs A9 and I already had a call from the SB who probably folded what was likely an eventual winner, bloke in the BB rips it over the top with his A9 and forces the SB to fold. I was all in for 250k at 40-80k blinds.

Safe king high flop, jack of hearts on the turn, gives me a straight draw but he a flush draw, he hits a black 9 on the river to send me packing, the bloke completely overvalued the strength of his hand and got lucky in what should have been a triple up for me, what can I do? I'll outplay this bloke time and time again with his loose range if I come up against him again, can't keep on relying on luck.
Yeah I know I did the right thing just grumbling

More trying to open my mind to other possibilities without shoving

The guy luckboxed all night

Final table 3 to go he shoves with AT gets called by KJ who hits 2 pair on the turn only for the Q on the river

He has QQ against AK A on the flop A on the turn and Q on the river
 
Yeah I know I did the right thing just grumbling

More trying to open my mind to other possibilities without shoving

The guy luckboxed all night

Final table 3 to go he shoves with AT gets called by KJ who hits 2 pair on the turn only for the Q on the river

He has QQ against AK A on the flop A on the turn and Q on the river
It happens bro

I came 3rd on Friday

Bloke who won luckboxed every all in hand from the final 3 tables onwards, I was getting blinded out and folded everything the luckboxer was involved with but I held on for pay jumps as there was no way I was going to win with the way he was running, 2nd or 3rd was my best chance

Like the way he got me, I had T7 suited in the BB but had just over 1 BB, he put me all in no look and rolls over 63os

Flop KT8 rainbow, ok, 7 turn, oh shit I have 2 pair but he's gunna hit a 9 on the river 100% and yepppp there it is...

Last year Season 1 I wasn't playing that much, only played just enough to qualify for State Championships, but yeah I had like 3 Friday nights in a row around February/March where I got it in way ahead with aces vs kings or kings vs queens right before the final table, every single time they sucked out and either sent me packing or left me with crumbs. I ended up going on tilt on Fridays for 2 more months and changed venue 3 times (played at 4 different places) before I finally won 2 weeks in a row in May and settled down at 2 places to play at on a Friday for the rest of the year, the place I copped those bad beats in at the end of summer I eventually started winning at, also had 1 run end of last year/start of this year where I FTd 8 games in a row and cashed 6 times (1 1st, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
 

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Blinds 10/20k

Make final table with 289k utg3

utg1 raises to 75k utg2 throws his last 30k in I pull my cards back to see KK - I jam to isolate

Fold fold until BB jams his 250k

Utg repops his 330k

He then turns over AA small stack AJ my KK is matched by BB KK

River gives AJ the straight and KK X 2 is out
 
Blinds 10/20k

Make final table with 289k utg3

utg1 raises to 75k utg2 throws his last 30k in I pull my cards back to see KK - I jam to isolate

Fold fold until BB jams his 250k

Utg repops his 330k

He then turns over AA small stack AJ my KK is matched by BB KK

River gives AJ the straight and KK X 2 is out
KK again...the most cursed hand in poker

 
Been thinking this one over the last few months, however

I'm getting really tired of grinding it out in cheaper games ($30-40 buy ins in small-medium 30-50 player fields) where there's only say $300-500 at the top to win and most of the time I'll come say 3rd/4th and get maybe $150-200. Awesome it'll pay for my next week or two of games where I'm slugging it out 3-4 nights a week, but it's at a point where I'm only marginally ahead when you're factoring time spent sitting down playing plus the half hour drive on average to various pubs/clubs.

Last season I had a personal record 13 cashes in a season from just over 50 games and I won nearly 3k (was well over if you count PTCs), but when you're breaking down my cashes, I won

$410 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$340 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$250 ($30 game)
$240 ($25 game)
$235 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$220 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$210 ($40 game)
$190×2 ($30 + $25 game)
$180 ($30 game)
$160 ($30 game)
$110 ($40 game)
$80 ($30 game)

$2815 IIRC

And from those 50 or so games, I would've easily averaged 3 hours of playing time per game, sure some games I'd bust out within 90 minutes, though I final tabled about 20 games, some games going the best part of 5 hours.

So I've calculated a formula (I'm guessing this is nothing new), but I think it'll be worth it in the long run.

Basically the average paying minimum wage would be about $30 an hour, if I have to sit down for 4 hours in a $30 game with 30 players to come 1st and win $300, that's only double my time and money (4 hours × $30 + $30 = $150), even though I just won 10 buy ins, the number on this formula is just 2.

My best ever number using this formula is 3.71 × my time and money. I chopped 2 ways a 4 hour $60 game for $650 each, this was also my 2nd biggest live cash. My biggest live cash of $700 hit 3.09 on the time and money formula. Another time I chopped 3 ways for $600 each, that was 3.42.

I think making 3× your time and money should be the bare minimum.

That $410 cash best effort from last season was from a win where I chopped the cash with 2nd as it was past midnight but I won on chip stack, on this formula I was in for $50 on the night and played for 4 and a half hours ($185 needed to breakeven on time and money), 410 ÷185 = 2.21

So it seems to me I should be playing $50-60 buy ins in big fields that pay $800-1500 at the top, or more expensive games with middling/solid numbers (most expensive games I'll occasionally play is $110 buy ins 45-70 players, these pay $1500-3000 at the top)

In the short-medium term it'll probably be expensive, but once I can find a decent cash or two it'll give me a buffer for a few weeks to build upon, it'll also mean I will drop down to about 5 playing nights a fortnight, instead of 7-8 which is what I've wanted to do for a while, but haven't been able to as yet.
 
Been thinking this one over the last few months, however

I'm getting really tired of grinding it out in cheaper games ($30-40 buy ins in small-medium 30-50 player fields) where there's only say $300-500 at the top to win and most of the time I'll come say 3rd/4th and get maybe $150-200. Awesome it'll pay for my next week or two of games where I'm slugging it out 3-4 nights a week, but it's at a point where I'm only marginally ahead when you're factoring time spent sitting down playing plus the half hour drive on average to various pubs/clubs.

Last season I had a personal record 13 cashes in a season from just over 50 games and I won nearly 3k (was well over if you count PTCs), but when you're breaking down my cashes, I won

$410 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$340 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$250 ($30 game)
$240 ($25 game)
$235 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$220 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$210 ($40 game)
$190×2 ($30 + $25 game)
$180 ($30 game)
$160 ($30 game)
$110 ($40 game)
$80 ($30 game)

$2815 IIRC

And from those 50 or so games, I would've easily averaged 3 hours of playing time per game, sure some games I'd bust out within 90 minutes, though I final tabled about 20 games, some games going the best part of 5 hours.

So I've calculated a formula (I'm guessing this is nothing new), but I think it'll be worth it in the long run.

Basically the average paying minimum wage would be about $30 an hour, if I have to sit down for 4 hours in a $30 game with 30 players to come 1st and win $300, that's only double my time and money (4 hours × $30 + $30 = $150), even though I just won 10 buy ins, the number on this formula is just 2.

My best ever number using this formula is 3.71 × my time and money. I chopped 2 ways a 4 hour $60 game for $650 each, this was also my 2nd biggest live cash. My biggest live cash of $700 hit 3.09 on the time and money formula. Another time I chopped 3 ways for $600 each, that was 3.42.

I think making 3× your time and money should be the bare minimum.

That $410 cash best effort from last season was from a win where I chopped the cash with 2nd as it was past midnight but I won on chip stack, on this formula I was in for $50 on the night and played for 4 and a half hours ($185 needed to breakeven on time and money), 410 ÷185 = 2.21

So it seems to me I should be playing $50-60 buy ins in big fields that pay $800-1500 at the top, or more expensive games with middling/solid numbers (most expensive games I'll occasionally play is $110 buy ins 45-70 players, these pay $1500-3000 at the top)

In the short-medium term it'll probably be expensive, but once I can find a decent cash or two it'll give me a buffer for a few weeks to build upon, it'll also mean I will drop down to about 5 playing nights a fortnight, instead of 7-8 which is what I've wanted to do for a while, but haven't been able to as yet.
I like this set up

I will study it a bit more but I like it

The problem as you have assessed it is the value for effort

Is going up in $ also met by higher level of skill required? Or is it more targeting the $50-75 pub games with the same crowd

For me Mon/Tue are $30 with $30 rebuy ( 1 only) and as an example tonight top paid $425 and $215 for 30 runners

Yet Friday night $50/50 pays $800 for 1st and $500 2nd approx similar numbers - and while geographically far apart these games have similar players who will all gather in 3 weeks time for the big week long tournament where the prize pool will be inflated towards the $2800 1st place pots in most games ie crazy p , Bounty and other games to drag the punters in

Just as an example most cash game players aim for that $30 an hour level which might seem small but grinding 10 hours a day/night for $300 profit is meant to be the norm. Of course most will fluctuate but that is the aim when running soft
 

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