Speculation Bailey Smith

[Bald]

I think people forget just how good Tim Kelly was at the Cats, Bailey hasn't come close to that. West Coast collapsed the day he arrived and that has made him look worse since the trade.

I agree he was fantastic, and you were compensated very nicely for losing him.

The difference in quality between the two is there, for sure, but not so much that Smith isn't worth a single top 10 pick when Kelly and two picks in the 50s was worth picks 14, 24, 37 and a F1.

 

[PurpJuice]

I agree he was fantastic, and you were compensated very nicely for losing him.

The difference in quality between the two is there, for sure, but not so much that Smith isn't worth a single top 10 pick when Kelly and two picks in the 50s was worth picks 14, 24, 37 and a F1.

Especially when Bailey Smith almost won the best finals player award in 2021 (his third year), second to Jack Macrae.


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[CatToTheFuture]

I agree he was fantastic, and you were compensated very nicely for losing him.

The difference in quality between the two is there, for sure, but not so much that Smith isn't worth a single top 10 pick when Kelly and two picks in the 50s was worth picks 14, 24, 37 and a F1.

We kind of had this whole similar conversation about TK though, Wells was demanding a single top 10 pick for TK. The reason West Coast bundled up half the draft was because they couldn't get one to give us.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Who cares is they want a top 10 pick. Give it.
We've had like 3 in 20 years and consistently been better than most clubs every year in that time. Picks can be overrated.

 

[Rob R]

First and two seconds

Or

Two firsts and a second in return.

mid to late first at best or just wait till FA.

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[Rob R]

Their first rounder will be better for a start

Given his injury and reduced form before the injury as well as our greater need for a kp, our first is too much. Maybe our second and a swap of firsts.

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[CatToTheFuture]

Given his injury and reduced form before the injury as well as our greater need for a kp, our first is too much. Maybe our second and a swap of firsts.

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Yeah I'd expect you guys to split it

 

[hawkman]

I have a player they can use here.....

If you want to include Parfitt, you will need to add your 1st, 2nd and 3rd for both this year and next year

 

[PurpJuice]

Given his injury and reduced form before the injury as well as our greater need for a kp, our first is too much. Maybe our second and a swap of firsts.

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You’re dreaming if you think you’re getting Bailey Smith for anything less than a first round pick.

I like your optimism though.

 

[FB19]

You’re dreaming if you think you’re getting Bailey Smith for anything less than a first round pick.

I like your optimism though.

It works if you finish well and we engage in a form of tanking…

 

[triple treat]

Clark was a first rounder, I never said we would tell the dogs what to pick with that pick, on;y the third rounder. Oh and Jhye. Will be a player. Some patience is required here.

Every player drafted will be a player! just most of them aren't very good, like Jhye

 

[triple treat]

Who cares is they want a top 10 pick. Give it.
We've had like 3 in 20 years and consistently been better than most clubs every year in that time. Picks can be overrated.

Youve also had some handy father sons that were pretty much given to you (would off went top 10). You got anymore off them coming through?

 

[mattwa]

I think people forget just how good Tim Kelly was at the Cats, Bailey hasn't come close to that. West Coast collapsed the day he arrived and that has made him look worse since the trade.

2021 finals series Baz was unreal. Check the stats

 

[dazbroncos]

2021 finals series Baz was unreal. Check the stats

so value him on performance from 3 full seasons ago pre ACL ( that is a current injury) and all the off field stuff from inside the last 12 months? Not so much.

Im not all in on Baz to begin with but if it happens then so be it - but using 3 year old history to value him now doesn't make him worth more now IMO.

GO Cattrse

 

[mattwa]

so value him on performance from 3 full seasons ago pre ACL ( that is a current injury) and all the off field stuff from inside the last 12 months? Not so much.

Im not all in on Baz to begin with but if it happens then so be it - but using 3 year old history to value him now doesn't make him worth more now IMO.

GO Cattrse

Was very good in 22 and also every other year prior to that. He's had one bad year in 23 where tbh there was something not right at the kennel.

He's a very good player and I'd rather him stay as I think the way the games going suits him.

 

[bobs head soup]

Reckon St Kilda will enter this space presuming they get band 1 compo for Battle, as is reportedly looking likely.

Makes sense for all parties.

- St Kilda badly need quality and a bit of pace through the midfield, Smith is the right age. They'll have 2 picks in the 6-10 range and a heap of cap space freed up.

- Smith gets a club that can offer a fat contract, plenty of on ball time and a base in the south east suburbs

- Dogs get a 6-10 pick as the centrepiece of a trade.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

2021 finals series Baz was unreal. Check the stats

I am aware of that, that's why I want to trade for him despite an acl and two years of poor form

 

[Doggy]

I am aware of that, that's why I want to trade for him despite an acl and two years of poor form

It's a big misconception that he was crap in 2022. He wasn't.

 

[Catman]

Youve also had some handy father sons that were pretty much given to you (would off went top 10).

Scarlett wasn't rated that highly as a junior, and GAJ was considered a late first round pick to second round pick. No one could envisage the levels that both would reach.

I'll give you Hawkins though. That was a gift in hindsight.

 

[smish]

This thread finally starting to get some animosity in here. Love it.

 

[PurpJuice]

It's a big misconception that he was crap in 2022. He wasn't.

Before he was suspended for head butting mid year (against the Cats lol) he was one of the brownlow favourites in 2022.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It's a big misconception that he was crap in 2022. He wasn't.

Well, my poor form comment is probably half correct. He certainly didn't continue his trajectory and he wasn't a liability.

 

[Doggy]

Before he was suspended for head butting mid year (against the Cats lol) he was one of the brownlow favourites in 2022.

How quickly that is forgotten when a supporter base wants a player for diddly squat

 

[TylerDurden]

Reckon St Kilda will enter this space presuming they get band 1 compo for Battle, as is reportedly looking likely.

Makes sense for all parties.

- St Kilda badly need quality and a bit of pace through the midfield, Smith is the right age. They'll have 2 picks in the 6-10 range and a heap of cap space freed up.

- Smith gets a club that can offer a fat contract, plenty of on ball time and a base in the south east suburbs

- Dogs get a 6-10 pick as the centrepiece of a trade.

It's Hawks or Cats. No one else.
Still yet to choose apparently.

 

[STPer18]

Every player drafted will be a player! just most of them aren't very good, like Jhye

Cam Mackenzie board.