Best Medium Pace Bowler Of All Time?

[Power Raid]

It is interesting what people perceive as medium, medium pace and fast medium.
I know when I was playing cricket I would consider myself medium pace but I would have some players suggest I was fast but all I knew that meant was it was too fast for them and they barely park cricketers. I would never consider 130 km/h pace fast. For some people it is if they do not play cricket regularly. 140 km/h to me is when elite cricketers above us that only club cricketers would consider a bowler fast.

I guess we all have our different definition for terms but I think of...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/6295.html
Full name Dennis Keith Lillee
Bowling style Right-arm fast

known for his bowled 145km/hr plus bowling

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/6565.html

Full name Glenn Donald McGrath
Bowling style Right-arm fast-medium

known for his bowled 135km/hr plus bowling


so if fast is above 140 and medium fast is above 130, then medium has to be sub 130km/hr


I would also suggest it is based on the "stock" delivery not the maximum capability.

 

[eth-dog]

For me the classification is:

>100: spin
101-129: medium
130-135: medium fast
136-144: fast medium
145+: fast

The best "medium" bowler I've seen is Steve Waugh.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I don't really put much stock in the classifications. Best just to look at players in terms of their skill sets, like leggies/offies/seamers/swing bowlers/raw pace and bounce. I mean, Afridi probably bowls quicker than Siddle these days and your classification wouldn't class him as a spinner.

 

[Chuckie357]

I still remember WPUJC Vaas.

Shane warne 99?

 

[Chuckie357]

For me the classification is:

>100: spin
101-129: medium
130-135: medium fast
136-144: fast medium
145+: fast

The best "medium" bowler I've seen is Steve Waugh.

Could you update your criteria please because bor everyone who bowls less than 100 km/h is good enough to turn it, e.g Xavier Doherty

 

[Zach Package]

When was the last time a genuine medium pacer was picked for a test as a frontline bowler?

Funky Miller?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

When was the last time a genuine medium pacer was picked for a test as a frontline bowler?

Funky Miller?

Trent Copeland?

 

[Zach Package]

Trent Copeland?

Good shout, was frequently bowling in the high hundred and teens in SL

 

[ioppolo]

What a fall from grace that was, test player to nothing within 3 years.

 

[chargers 09]

What a fall from grace that was, test player to nothing within 3 years.

Must be playing grade cricket in Sydney somewhere.


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[The Speaker]

Must be playing grade cricket in Sydney somewhere.


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Did have an injury last year, been playing a bit for NSW 2nd XI. I imagine he'll play for NSW again at some point.

 

[footyfan1978]

When was the last time a genuine medium pacer was picked for a test as a frontline bowler?

Funky Miller?

Miller is an interesting one. Picked as a spinner but could bowl medium pace.
Adam Dale was genuine medium pace bowler around that time.
Reiffel when he played certainly quality medium pace bowler.

Not many other than those guys played more than a Test or two in last couple of decades that would be genuine medium pace.
Looking backwards these are a few I can identify.
Someone said Copeland but barely remember him so not sure of his pace.
Faulkner has played one Test and certainly medium pace but probably picked more as an allrounder than a frontline bowler in single game he played. Andrew McDonald played a few games in 2009.
Nathan Bracken a few Tests.
Greg Campbell was in an ordinary era.
Tom Moody but picked for his batting.
Tony Dodemaide.
Simon Davis
Dave Gilbert
Steve Waugh was picked as an allrounder in early Tests.
and Simon O'Donnell like Faulker picked mainly as an allrounder for not many Tests.
John Macguire I can't recall his pace but may have been a medium pacer. Think he ended up going on South Africa rebel tour.
Terry Alderman.
Trevor Laughlin
Mick Malone and Geoff Dymock.
Gary Gilmour and Max Walker
Any before that I never saw bowl myself.

Of note in that lot, in terms of quality Reiffel, Alderman and Dymock the ones I saw in more than just a few Tests and open the bowling at times.
I would rate Terry Alderman the best medium pace bowler in my time of watching Australian cricket. Harder to say for overseas.
Hard to go past guys like Ian Botham and Kapil Dev for all time. I really have less knowledge of pace of bowlers well before my time so would not comment on those.

Just feels since the days of Reiffel and the one or two Test Adam Dale played we have tended to use batsmen that could bowl medium pace role such as Steve and Mark Waugh or Shane Watson when not injured. Andrew Symonds did a bit of it and as you say Colin Miller could bowl it but was picked primarily as an off spinner.

 

[The Speaker]

 

[Zach Package]

who's the pinhead that keeps saying 'pitched outside leg' despite it clearly pitching off and jagging back

 

[The Speaker]

who's the pinhead that keeps saying 'pitched outside leg' despite it clearly pitching off and jagging back

I think it's Charu Sharma.

 

[Klim]

Must be playing grade cricket in Sydney somewhere.


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Playing for St George in the Sydney district.

 

[stew42]

Guys, McGrath, Aldermann and Symonds AREN'T medium pacers.

 

[GreekLunatic]

Steve Waugh till he stuffed his back

 

[Mancey]

Guys, McGrath, Aldermann and Symonds AREN'T medium pacers.

Agree except for Symonds.

He bowled just about everything, including genuine mediums

 

[Zach Package]

Guys, McGrath, Aldermann and Symonds AREN'T medium pacers.

Why isn't symonds a medium pacer?

 

[stew42]

Why isn't symonds a medium pacer?

I always thought of him as an offie, but maybe that's Cricket 07 talking

 

[PAFC_1870]

Symonds is definitely a medium, when he's not bowling spin of course. I straight away thought Harris in ODI for me.

 

[eth-dog]

Guys, McGrath, Aldermann and Symonds AREN'T medium pacers.

When he wasn't bowling spin he bowled 115-125 generally.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

S.F. Barnes

Yep...

Barnes is widely regarded to be one of the best bowlers of all time. The reason he doesn't get that much recognition is because he played at the turn of the century. That, and he played a lot of his cricket (by choice) in the Lancashire League rather than FC cricket.

It's also difficult to really determine what he bowled. He's sometimes described as a spin bowler, and sometimes described as a pace bowler. Alternatively, I've heard him called a "fast" spin bowler... but I suspect the term "fast" is relative. ie, he was a lot faster than a tradition spin bowler, but very likely to be slower than a true fast bowler.

The other guy to consider is George Lohmann. He's generally described as being medium-fast. But at the same time, I've read that his pace was considered fairly gentle when compared against his contemporaries -- to me, that implies he was probably closer to being medium pace.

 

[Swanny69]

When was the last time a genuine medium pacer was picked for a test as a frontline bowler?

Funky Miller?

Loved Funky. Always thought the attack that briefly featured Funky on top of McGrath, Gillespie and McGill at his peak was a brilliant and perfectly balanced lineup..