Best midfield in 3 years?

[Sin City]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

He's averaging 20 (or 19.9 if you want to be specific) NOT 18 coming off a limited preseason while having to deal with tags.

Any wonder why people think you're an idiot and don't take you seriously when you can't even get what you're talking about straight.

Fair enough then 20, but it's still not enough for a supposed A grade mid. The 15 disposals he was averaging before the last two weeks is definitely not enough. Settling for mediocrity is what got them into so much trouble in the first place.

 

[Sin City]

Can someone tell me when junk time started in the Hawks vs Tigers match?

During the selection meeting.

 

[Frontal Pressure]

Fair enough then 20, but it's still not enough for a supposed A grade mid. The 15 disposals he was averaging before the last two weeks is definitely not enough. Settling for mediocrity is what got them into so much trouble in the first place.

So now the last 2 weeks of 27 touches 11 clearances and 25 touches 8 clearances are irrelevant because they don't suit your argument?

Proves he's working himself into it coming off a limited preseason with limited training. You obviously don't know anything about Cotchin if you think he's a flanker. Coming from someone who thinks Brock McLean is a good midfielder and also a key to Carlton is also a little funny. McLean is a hack.

 

[TigerTime88]

So now the last 2 weeks of 27 touches 11 clearances and 25 touches 8 clearances are irrelevant because they don't suit your argument?

Proves he's working himself into it coming off a limited preseason with limited training. You obviously don't know anything about Cotchin if you think he's a flanker. Coming from someone who thinks Brock McLean is a good midfielder and also a key to Carlton is also a little funny. McLean is a hack.

Sin City is the biggest oxygen thief or to put it in big footy terms, internet usage thief.

Lol at you giving Cotchin shit for his low possession count. The kid has been hampered by injuries and so was nursed through pre season so he is obviously not going to be super fit racking them up. Instead his building into the season and has had 25 & 27 in the last 2 weeks as his fitness is obviously building (weird that relationship hey).

As for the Hawthorn game unlike against Carlton where junk time started in the 1st quarter the game was won by the Hawks in the last 10 seconds when Sam Mitchell chased down Shane Tuck to save a match winning goal.

Good job though...twist facts to make the story look good I love it.

 

[TigerTime88]

what about Jack Grimes? I suppose he will be labelled a HBF but in 3 years he will be in the midfield

he forgot Nathan Jones too, he will be 25 in 3 years and very important in that midfield

so that's 13 players in our group

poll result is surprisingly accurate thus far

Yeah well that is true I did leave them out. Melbournes midfield is going to be mint in a few years with a heap of depth. If Jack Watts fires and you can get say 1 other big marking forward I cannot see how you won't win a premiership.

Grimes is a gun and can play middle but like Deledio, Hodge I imagine he will play a mix of both for the next couple of years and then when full strength he will play middle and sometimes HBF (which almost play a midfield role these days possie wise).

 

[Jem]

Who knows? It's like asking where the stock market will be in 3 years time.

 

[deledio7]

You're hilarious Sin.

Who's the last flanker to have 20 odd clearances over 2 weeks? Cotchin is performing way beyond our expectations this year and is on track to becoming a star or the competition. I know you really don't want this to happen as your hate for Richmond is ever apparent but it looks like it will. If you watched the Hawks game especially you would know this, the commentators couldn't stop talking about him. And what'd this you say about junk time? There was no junk time in that game, he was the player that got us back into the game.

Hopefully he can up his training program and complete his first pre season next year and we'll see his numbers rise. As it is, 20 disposals a game (and rising) is more than enough as far as I'm concerned, he just turned 20.

On the topic of the thread, I'd say Melbourne or Collingwood.

 

[Leezorr]

Wow another thread were talent gets over hyped.

Judd is the only player who at 21 was a out and out superstar.

So suddenly all Melbournes and Richmond picks are going to be Judd like, i dont think so

Geelong, Carlton, Collingwood and the Bulldogs best players will still be under be under 30 how are these teams suddenly going to not be just as good???

In terms of my team( i dont know the other teams players ages so im not gonna bother)

In three years

Cooney will be 27

Griffen will be 26

i guess those two at that age will be way past it...............................

Higgins - 25 Ward - 23 Picken - 26

Boyd and Cross will be the only two from our current midfield 30 years old

Pump up your talent all you want but three years is way to short a time to think they are suddenly going to be the best in the league.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Freo for me, Palmer, Hill, Suban, Mora, Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe will be a force in the next 3.

 

[TigerTime88]

Wow another thread were talent gets over hyped.

Judd is the only player who at 21 was a out and out superstar.

So suddenly all Melbournes and Richmond picks are going to be Judd like, i dont think so

Geelong, Carlton, Collingwood and the Bulldogs best players will still be under be under 30 how are these teams suddenly going to not be just as good???

In terms of my team( i dont know the other teams players ages so im not gonna bother)

In three years

Cooney will be 27

Griffen will be 26

i guess those two at that age will be way past it...............................

Higgins - 25 Ward - 23 Picken - 26

Boyd and Cross will be the only two from our current midfield 30 years old

Pump up your talent all you want but three years is way to short a time to think they are suddenly going to be the best in the league.

It's weird because I don't remember anyone saying Cooney would be past his prime or Griffin, yet from your comments it's like they did.

 

[Leezorr]

It's weird because I don't remember anyone saying Cooney would be past his prime or Griffin, yet from your comments it's like they did.

No im just saying that in 3 years time Scully, Trengrove, Matrin (insert your teams best young mid) ect wont be as good as Cooney, Griffen, Ablett, Bartel, ect yet people think that Melbourne or Richmond will have the best midfields. These player wont decline yet somehow 3-4 season mids are going to suddenly dominate.

Look at the average age of all the best mids in their break out years. Its more like their 6th or 7th season than their 3rd or 4th.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

A bit of reality for Sin City:


Cotchin has 159 disposals in 8 games (19.9 per game) and had 107 in 6 prior to the last two weeks (17.8 per game).

You accuse others of looking at stats and not watching games yet you didn't even realise Cotch has only played 8 games this year, not 9. That's where you got the 15 and 18pg from.

And why don't we compare the stats of Cotchin the "flanker" with all of the Blues "mids":

Clearances per Game:
Judd: 7.17
McLean: 4.80
Cotchin: 4.63
Murphy: 4.11
Gibbs: 3.33
Carrazo: 2.89
Simpson 2.67

So he gets more clearances than Gibbs/Murphy despite getting fewer possesions. Sounds like a flanker to me.

Simpsons had 24 for the year, Cotchins had 19 in the last 2 games.

Contested Possesions per Game:
Judd: 13.83
Cotch: 9.88
Murph: 9.20
Simpson: 8.11
McLean: 7.40
Carrazzo: 6.44
Gibbs: 6.22

Tough work getting all those contested possesions on the flank

Total % of Possesions Contested:

Cotchin: 49.07%
Judd: 46.37%
McLean: 40.66%
Murphy: 36.89%
Simpson: 31.88%
Gibbs: 25.34%
Carrazo: 24.79%


So Cotchin gets more contested possesions and clearances than any of your mids bar Judd and he's a flanker? I shudder to think what you classify Gibbs as.

 

[deledio7]

^^ Fair effort that. But they are in junk time, right?

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

^^ Fair effort that. But they are in junk time, right?

Well yes, considering junk time started 20 minutes in against the Bombers. Therefore David Hille played a useless game because most of his possesions were in junktime

 

[Stylus]

[vote for own team]

 

[}>-DEMON-<{]

Pump up your talent all you want but three years is way to short a time to think they are suddenly going to be the best in the league.

well Tom Scully got 18 possessions in a quarter in his 7th game of footy so I'm backing him to be pretty effing good in 3 years.

 

[Leezorr]

well Tom Scully got 18 possessions in a quarter in his 7th game of footy so I'm backing him to be pretty effing good in 3 years.

Andrew Walker got 30 something odd possesions in his first game. One off's mean alot

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Andrew Walker got 30 something odd possesions in his first game. One off's mean alot

haha thats a horrible comparison considering how walker looked like becoming one of the games stars until numerous injuries hit and.... he got 26 disposals in his first game.... + 3 goal assists... fantastic debut, fantastic potential, unfortunately almost 4 years of injury tends to stop a player from developing....

 

[}>-DEMON-<{]

Andrew Walker got 30 something odd possesions in his first game. One off's mean alot

yeah well he's been good every other week too dhead

just go ahead and pretend scully wont be awesome in 3 years, yep right, are you blind or what

fmd

 

[Leezorr]

Clearly i have hit a nerve.

How many players have been elite in their third year???

The point i was trying to make before all the melbourne supporters got pissy was that 1 game doesnt make a player. Plenty of players with potential have had amazing one of games and failed to ever reach those hights again consitantly.

Melbournes Mids potentially look great but they wont be the best in the comp in three years, try 5 or 6.

 

[Brad Roo]

How can North be down 40 to 6 vs Melbourne when our young mids wiped the floor with Melbourne only a month ago?

Anyway, Norths mids will definitely be the hardest of the up and coming batch, not much doubt about that. We still need 1 or 2 more classy disposal/carrier types before I would consider us a future best.

No young midfield batch is complete in my book, Melbourne have skill, but lack grunt, Richmond's top few are cream, but they fall away comparatively after that, and the other young mids also have their flaws. I think what happens between now and 2013 will decide the matter.

Of course, midfields also include Rucks, and North definitely take the chocolates on that count.

 

[}>-DEMON-<{]

How can North be down 40 to 6 vs Melbourne when our young mids wiped the floor with Melbourne only a month ago?

Anyway, Norths mids will definitely be the hardest of the up and coming batch, not much doubt about that. We still need 1 or 2 more classy disposal/carrier types before I would consider us a future best.

No young midfield batch is complete in my book, Melbourne have skill, but lack grunt, Richmond's top few are cream, but they fall away comparatively after that, and the other young mids also have their flaws. I think what happens between now and 2013 will decide the matter.

Of course, midfields also include Rucks, and North definitely take the chocolates on that count.

yep whatever, everyone else is clearly just wrong and that's why not a single non-north supporter has voted for you

you are the only one who can see that Melbourne's crew appearing incredibly awesome is just some kind of illusion, for some reason

 

[Brad Roo]

yep whatever, everyone else is clearly just wrong

"Everyone else" is most likely you and 2 of your schoolmates.

and that's why not a single non-north supporter has voted for you

You can see who voted for who?

you are the only one who can see that Melbourne's crew appearing incredibly awesome is just some kind of illusion, for some reason

The only problem for you is that "illusion" was a 26 point loss that is still up on every AFL stats site on the internet. If we had kicked straight it would have been 50 points.

I don't need "illusions", I have seen it with my own two eyes.

 

[TigerTime88]

How can North be down 40 to 6 vs Melbourne when our young mids wiped the floor with Melbourne only a month ago?

Anyway, Norths mids will definitely be the hardest of the up and coming batch, not much doubt about that. We still need 1 or 2 more classy disposal/carrier types before I would consider us a future best.

No young midfield batch is complete in my book, Melbourne have skill, but lack grunt, Richmond's top few are cream, but they fall away comparatively after that, and the other young mids also have their flaws. I think what happens between now and 2013 will decide the matter.

Of course, midfields also include Rucks, and North definitely take the chocolates on that count.

Dustin Martin has the hardness of 3 players so we are also lol. To be honest Cotchin is not a biffo type player but very hard at the ball as is Foley so I have to contest your opinion somewhat. Ziebell and Cunnington are your main hard footballers...

 

[Brad Roo]

Ziebell and Cunnington are your main hard footballers...

Think again buddy.

Swallow is an absolute maniac and Greenwood and Lower are flint hard.

Leigh Adams is also willing at the close in stuff.