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Barkley will sign before the end of the month.

I'll go July 28th.
 

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CCV is not quite yet a PL level player, looks off the pace.
Same with KWP he did some nice things and locked down on his man well enough at times but lost his positioning as well. Was responsible for the 2nd PSG goal. One for the future but we need an experienced RB as back up. Using KWP predominantly in that role will end in tears.

Onomah and GKN do some nice things but I really don't know with either of them, probably more advanced than CCV in being ready but I really just don't know. Something about Onomah makes me rather meh to him but we will see.

Really nice to see Winks back in action, such a tidy little player, just buzzes around all over the place.
Mousa would have to be one of the most underrated players in the league. Such a good CM, bloody hard to get the ball off him.

Davies was very good I thought, good offensively as well as defensively.
Trippier looked a little rusty but we know what he can do though.

Anyone who doesn't have Eriksen top 3 in their rankings is not being serious, he is the beating heart of this team. Absolute thundercampaigner of a goal too.
All in all 4-2 win against a team further advanced in their preparations is a promising start. Rally need to get cracking with signings though. Barkley and a RB are surely a must and need them in ASAP.
 
Last chance for KWP in the next game and if he doesn't prove he is up to it find him a loan. Not sure a season not playing will be good for him. Same with CCV if he is just short of the quality needed. I don't mind them sticking around for 1-2 seasons getting very few minutes but they do need to play especially defenders imo

What position did Onomah play?
 
Doctor Gero said:
Same with KWP he did some nice things and locked down on his man well enough at times but lost his positioning as well. Was responsible for the 2nd PSG goal. One for the future but we need an experienced RB as back up. Using KWP predominantly in that role will end in tears.
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Strongly disagree. He wasn't out off position at all and the goal was absolutely not his fault. From goal kicks Pochettino always instructs the FB's to be high and wide and he did exactly that. It was GKN's fault for losing the ball when he really shouldn't have and CCV's for playing everyone onside. KWP did not have anywhere near the time to get back and affect the play from there. He was exactly where the FB's are instructed to be in that phase of play.

It was reminiscent of the Walker OG at Old Trafford on the opening day of the season before last. Walker has a bit more pace so was able to get back and only just poke it off Rooney only for it to end in his own goal. But that one bit of play wasn't indicative of Walker being out of position or meant that he wouldn't make it. It's bizarre tbh and something Ive seen on twitter and elsewhere as well. Even if you accept that it was a mistake (which as I've explained, I don't), it was one incident in a game where he largely acquitted himself well against one of the best teams in Europe. Absolute nonsense to write him off based on that, Walker made mistakes all the time and cost us goals, yet that didn't mean he was shit.

It was an encouraging performance from him and, if anything imo, shows that he's ready to play as a rotation RB.
Doctor Gero said:
out on the wing
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jd2010 said:
That's like playing Joel Selwood in a forward pocket
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He was nominally played out wide, but like Eriksen, Son or Dele when named out there he often came central and played as a 'rotating 10.' I thought he was mostly pretty good. Used the ball well, drove us forward in his typical Dembele-lite style and pressed intelligently. He's still hesitant and indecisive in the box and around goal, but that's always been a criticism of his apparently.
 
kangaspurs said:
Strongly disagree. He wasn't out off position at all and the goal was absolutely not his fault. From goal kicks Pochettino always instructs the FB's to be high and wide and he did exactly that. It was GKN's fault for losing the ball when he really shouldn't have and CCV's for playing everyone onside. KWP did not have anywhere near the time to get back and affect the play from there. He was exactly where the FB's are instructed to be in that phase of play.

It was reminiscent of the Walker OG at Old Trafford on the opening day of the season before last. Walker has a bit more pace so was able to get back and only just poke it off Rooney only for it to end in his own goal. But that one bit of play wasn't indicative of Walker being out of position or meant that he wouldn't make it. It's bizarre tbh and something Ive seen on twitter and elsewhere as well. Even if you accept that it was a mistake (which as I've explained, I don't), it was one incident in a game where he largely acquitted himself well against one of the best teams in Europe. Absolute nonsense to write him off based on that, Walker made mistakes all the time and cost us goals, yet that didn't mean he was shit.

It was an encouraging performance from him and, if anything imo, shows that he's ready to play as a rotation RB.



He was nominally played out wide, but like Eriksen, Son or Dele when named out there he often came central and played as a 'rotating 10.' I thought he was mostly pretty good. Used the ball well, drove us forward in his typical Dembele-lite style and pressed intelligently. He's still hesitant and indecisive in the box and around goal, but that's always been a criticism of his apparently.
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Strongly disagree. Could have had a Mardi Gras parade in the space left behind him. Cut him slack all you want that was his fault that Pastore was able get behind him, I'm far from alone in that view as I've seen many mention it as well. If it was Walker he'd have been slaughtered for it but because it's a kid it's ok. Bollocks I'm afraid.
 
Doctor Gero said:
Strongly disagree. Could have had a Mardi Gras parade in the space left behind him. Cut him slack all you want that was his fault that Pastore was able get behind him, I'm far from alone in that view as I've seen many mention it as well. If it was Walker he'd have been slaughtered for it but because it's a kid it's ok. Bollocks I'm afraid.
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But that completely ignores what Pochettino actually instructs the FB's to do in that phase of play. They're supposed to be high and wide, not right alongside the CB's. If N'Koudou actually does his job properly then KWP is perfectly placed for a cross field release ball. Also, Pastore didn't 'get behind him,' that was already the position he was holding in their set up to stop us playing out from the back from a goal kick, just as KWP was in the correct position for a FB when we play out from a goal kick:


If anything, he's slightly naive in his reading of the play and maybe a little slow to react to the error, although even Walker wouldn't have got back in time tbf. But it's definitely not a positional error.

Alternatively, if Walker, Trippier, Rose or Davies did that, or something similar (which they have before) then you wouldn't have so many people come out and say they weren't ready for PL football based on that alone. Too much is being made of that incident alone, when his 45 minutes, up against one of the best teams in Europe and a very good player in Pastore, was hugely encouraging.
 
Nope. Everyone else in that back line as per that tweet is covering a man, if Poch instructs him to be that high up and therefore 20 yards behind him then Poch is an idiot.

He's a defender first and that is poor positioning, if Poch instructed him to be there then slack is fair, and the blame lies with the manager, if not then he's out of position. Simple.
 
Doctor Gero said:
Nope. Everyone else in that back line as per that tweet is covering a man, if Poch instructs him to be that high up and therefore 20 yards behind him then Poch is an idiot.

He's a defender first and that is poor positioning, if Poch instructed him to be there then slack is fair, and the blame lies with the manager, if not then he's out of position. Simple.
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Every single goal kick we have had under Pochettino the FB's are high and wide in order to stretch the pitch and often Lloris will target them with his goal kicks or clearances as they're generally in space when the opposition push up to stop us playing out from the back. The CB's split and one or both of the CM's come between them to provide a central option. That's always been the way we set up from goal kicks. I'm not sure why, because we concede a goal from it now that it makes him an idiot. We sometimes concede goals from poor pressing or poor playing out from the back but that doesn't make those tactics bad ones.

Davies is there because the ball got cleared to that side of the pitch and he was directly involved in the play. The CB's push up, although CCV is too slow and plays Pastore onside, as soon as we lose the ball, but they've got far less ground to cover than KWP who is exactly where he should be on the far side. Admittedly, he reacts a fraction too slowly when GKN loses the ball, but even if he reacted instantly and had the pace of Bellerin or Walker I'm not sure he would have got there.

The fault for that goal lies with GKN for losing the ball and CCV for playing Pastore onside, not for KWP being exactly where Walker and Trippir are for every single goal kick that we have.
 

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Doctor Gero said:
Still disagree.
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Then you're ignoring reality there DG and searching for a way to criticise a kid who was following instructions and otherwise decent against good opposition.

Anyway, agree to disagree and all that but, personally, I'd be more than comfortable to see KWP play a similar role to the one played by Trippier last season. He's more than good enough and he's ready imo.
 
Doctor Gero said:
I don't care if it is manager or player. End result is a player out of position.
No other way to slice it.
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Yes there is because in this system he's not out of position as we've seen from goal kicks so many times before.

Again, just because it ****ed up this time doesn't mean it has no validity as a tactic and you can be absolutely certain that we'll continue to see FB's adopt this position, regardless of whether its Trips, KWP or someone new, from goal kicks this season, like we have for the last two.
 
Also on Onomah being indecisive around the box when playing as a 10 that's exactly why Dembele got shifted deeper and deeper as his career went on
 
jd2010 said:
Where's the LB positioned in relation to KWP. If they're in line then the kid isn't doing anything wrong
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jd2010 said:
Where's the LB positioned in relation to KWP. If they're in line then the kid isn't doing anything wrong
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As the goal kick is taken he would be exactly in line with him. But the ball got cleared to our left side so Davies was involved in the play until GKN lost it when he shouldn't have. The ball was immediately played to Pastore who was positioned where he was as PSG pushed up for the goal kick to stop us playing out.

KWP's positioning for the goal kick was exactly where the FB's should be. The problem, if there is one, is that he was a little naive and slow to react to GKN losing the ball. But to blame his positioning for teh goal is ridiculous. The fault lies with GKN for losing it where he shouldn't have and CCV for not pushing up quickly enough to be in line with Vertonghen and playing Pastore onside.
 
jd2010 said:
But he should be making his way back regardless
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Agreed. A little bit of naivety creeping in just thinking we would keep the ball in that scenario and he was a little slow to react when we did lose it. But, even if he had have reacted straight away and was as quick as Walker I doubt he would have been able to get back in time.
 
Haha Doctor Gero I was just thinking; it's not often I so strongly disagree with you. This feels a bit strange.
 
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