Biggest Mistake - Clearing? Gaz Snr or Kanga Jnr?

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mort61

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Gaz Snr was a mistake waiting to happen.

Kanga Jnr may yet become one of the best inside midfielders of the modern era. Hard to justify getting rid of him and keeping players like Bruce on the list, given the family heritage at the club?
 
mort61 said:
Gaz Snr was a mistake waiting to happen.

Kanga Jnr may yet become one of the best inside midfielders of the modern era. Hard to justify getting rid of him and keeping players like Bruce on the list, given the family heritage at the club?
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I'm not sure who kanga jnr is but if its josh kennedy then we didn't get rid of him he asked to leave. Quite simply he was and still is behind mitch and sewell as an inside midfielder and we're chasing premierships now even tho he was improving. If kanga jnr is someone else then I apologise
 

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Hawk43 said:
I'm not sure who kanga jnr is but if its josh kennedy then we didn't get rid of him he asked to leave. Quite simply he was and still is behind mitch and sewell as an inside midfielder and we're chasing premierships now even tho he was improving. If kanga jnr is someone else then I apologise
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It's quite staggering that some Hawthorn supporters STILL think we got rid of Josh Kennedy! He left because the Swans offered more money, longer contract and guaranteed playing time in the seniors, something we couldn't match.
It also cracks me up when people say we should have chased Jolley instead of Burgoyne!:confused:
 
mort61 said:
Kanga Jnr may yet become one of the best inside midfielders of the modern era. Hard to justify getting rid of him and keeping players like Bruce on the list, given the family heritage at the club?
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Yeah imagine getting rid of Kennedy at the end of 2009 and keeping Bruce instead, who didn't arrive until 2011. ...
 
Hawk43 said:
I'm not sure who kanga jnr is but if its josh kennedy then we didn't get rid of him he asked to leave. Quite simply he was and still is behind mitch and sewell as an inside midfielder and we're chasing premierships now even tho he was improving. If kanga jnr is someone else then I apologise
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Not according to big Mike Sheahan!
 
BOP66 said:
Stupid post been done to death! Its so obvious I'm not going to explain why.
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Take it easy BOP, the OP is a newbie and probably hasn't seen the topic discussed here man times.

mort61: I see the loss of Kennedy similar to Geelong's loss of Mumford. They are guys you would LOVE to have at the club, but you just can't keep everyone.

As for Ablett Snr - we were treated enough with Brereton, Dunstall and a few premierships while he was down at Geelong playing fluke footy (i.e. constantly flying for mark of the year and goal of the year, which were low percentage plays even for someone of his ability).

Palming off Ablett snr wasn't a mistake - Kennedy Jnr was regrettable but we've got Sewell, Mitchell and Lewis all doing what Kennedy does, only at a higher level.
 
Although it was a long long time ago if my memory hasn't completely gone I don't think G. Ablett senior was ever a great player while at Hawthorn. He didn't like the big smoke and probably didn't apply himself. He was happier living and playing in the country. Geelong suited as it was like a big country town.
 
Roddy said:
If we'd kept Gaz Snr we would have won every flag from 1982 to 1994....
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Don't know whether the late and great Allan Jeans would agree with that:thumbsdown:
 

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buddy marvellous said:
It's quite staggering that some Hawthorn supporters STILL think we got rid of Josh Kennedy! He left because the Swans offered more money, longer contract and guaranteed playing time in the seniors, something we couldn't match.
It also cracks me up when people say we should have chased Jolley instead of Burgoyne!:confused:
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Kennedy leaving wasn't as clear cut as you make out. When push came to shove he certainly accepted greater security at Sydney, but it wasn't as black and white as that.

The OP's inclusion of Bruce in the discussion is just strange. He was nowhere near our list when Kennedy was with us.

And as for Ablett, he was the Brendan Fevola(but worse) of his time, and especially with us. The only difference being that Yabby, a policeman, was never going to put up with a talented guy being so dodgy off-field.
 
Someone who was heavily involved with the club and Ablett in the time he was with us said he was an absolute nightmare to deal with. You'd never know when/if he'd turn up to training/reserves whatever. He left a club car in Dandenong somewhere and just disappeared for a week, things like that.

In the end, moving Ablett on was one of those cases where it was best for both parties I think - he got an environment much better suited to his temperament and we moved on a possible distraction and troublemaker.

Kennedy Jr is a bit less cut and dry - at the time Sewell wasn't in great form so an argument could have been mounted that Kennedy's form in his first season at the Swans was better than Sewells in Kennedy's last season at the Hawks. However since Kennedy left Sewell has rediscovered his 07-08 form so the point is moot. Again it was a win for both parties.
 
I don't think we lost much with getting rid of Ablett Sr. We had a better full-forward in Jason Dunstall, and historically the Ablett's haven't cost their clubs much by leaving. Ablett Sr. left Hawthorn and we played in the next 7 Grand Finals. Ablett Jr. leaves Geelong and they win the next flag.

JK3 was a big mistake, or loss. Apparently we were unable to keep him due to Sydney's offer, but I think his talent justifies throwing 400K+ a year at him to stay at Hawthorn, and in the end he probably stays for a bit less than that because of the family ties.
 
I don't have any inside info at all, but I got the impression from the various public comments made that we could have easily kept Kennedy if we had wanted to.

As for whether it was the right thing to do? We had already traded away most of our decent draft picks, trading Kennedy (and McGlynn, but he would have walked to the PSD and was going no matter what) got us the picks we needed to pick up Stratton and Grimley. For mine trading depth mids for a starting defender was a good call, obviously other disagree.

It's also worth considering whether Kennedy would have been as good if he stayed at Hawthorn. We don't play on the tiny Sydney grounds every second week, so he'd need to be able to run a lot better than he can. We rely on a lot of precision kicking, which he can't do. And he certainly wouldn't have Mumford to work with.
 
markr said:
It's also worth considering whether Kennedy would have been as good if he stayed at Hawthorn. We don't play on the tiny Sydney grounds every second week, so he'd need to be able to run a lot better than he can. We rely on a lot of precision kicking, which he can't do. And he certainly wouldn't have Mumford to work with.
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He was already pretty good in his final year at Hawthorn, and he was still improving. He's a stoppage player, so the size of the grounds isn't really that big an issue. We don't have a lot of stoppages in our game these days, so you could argue that our gameplan doesn't suit him.
 
Hodgepodge said:
We don't have a lot of stoppages in our game these days, so you could argue that our gameplan doesn't suit him.
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Yeah, that was part of my point. Sydney have small grounds, so less running, and play a lot of congestion and stoppages, and have a fantastic ruckman. Couldn't pick a better place for him to shine.

That said I think Sydney might be opening up their game a little these days.
 
I'm still fuming about clearing Kevin Heath to Carlton in 1975.

Did that come back and bite us in 1976?






No, no it didn't



;)
 
dickbobson said:
Although it was a long long time ago if my memory hasn't completely gone I don't think G. Ablett senior was ever a great player while at Hawthorn. He didn't like the big smoke and probably didn't apply himself. He was happier living and playing in the country. Geelong suited as it was like a big country town.
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Going by what Rocket said on 360 the other night, many senior players would turn up early before a game and watch Ablett Snr in the two's and were amazed by his footy skills.
Anyway like some else said no if's and buts move on things happen.
 
We covered the loss of Ablett and K3 would not get a game over Lewis, Mitchell, Sewell and Hodge. K3 may have slowed down the development of Shiels but I doubt it.

The loss that bites is McFarlane.
 
It was great recruiting by Sydney, rather than us making a mistake, they identified a young talented player that wasn't crucial to our side, and offered him a deal that we couldn't possibly match. (Look at also how they stole Mumford from Geelong)

HP - After all due dillegence how can you pay 400k to an inside mid who was 4th best in the pecking order, over 3 years. BTW I agree with you on your Burgoyne assesment, but this is just crazy.
 
buddy marvellous said:
It's quite staggering that some Hawthorn supporters STILL think we got rid of Josh Kennedy! He left because the Swans offered more money, longer contract and guaranteed playing time in the seniors, something we couldn't match.
It also cracks me up when people say we should have chased Jolley instead of Burgoyne!:confused:
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This :thumbsu:
 

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