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George Kramer said:
Definitely mids and leaving our forwards out numbered.

Nicks tried to counter that by a possession game and slow ball movement so our defenders weren’t exposed. Issue is we eventually just bombed it long anyway to their intercept defenders and we were caught on the rebound anyway.

It was a stupid plan which he eventually changed but the damage was done. Fancy moving the ball slowly to our forward line which is our strength. Having said that, given what they had to endure this year, I reckon our defence was our best line.
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The need to improve our defence was correct ( not talking purely defenders but scores against )

The execution to do it with the players we have was well off the mark
 
Jeffcrowe said:
The need to improve our defence was correct ( not talking purely defenders but scores against )

The execution to do it with the players we have was well off the mark
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Strongly disagree with this. This is what conclusion you come to when you do kiddy level data analysis (ie just looking at for and against sums), which is what it looks like the club did, which is kinda disturbing.

When you look at the context, blind freddy could see our issue was that we still weren't attacking enough.

We had long strings of uninterrupted opposition scoring between our scores.
We had no ability to score quickly when the game was on even terms or against us.

Things like this then contributed to scoreboard pressure against us and not the opposition. Which culminated in defensive breakdowns and added a lot of oppo scoring to the tally.

This was similar again for this season, though probably not as bad as for last. Not helped by personnel issues at both ends of the ground this year too.

I still don't think that the club's defense enhanced gameplan was shifted to the extent it was made out to be on here, it was only a minor shift, but a flawed one that didn't really help, nor, unlike others, do I think that it played a particularly large part in our early results.
 

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Carmo said:
Strongly disagree with this. This is what conclusion you come to when you do kiddy level data analysis (ie just looking at for and against sums), which is what it looks like the club did, which is kinda disturbing.

When you look at the context, blind freddy could see our issue was that we still weren't attacking enough.

We had long strings of uninterrupted opposition scoring between our scores.
We had no ability to score quickly when the game was on even terms or against us.

Things like this then contributed to scoreboard pressure against us and not the opposition. Which culminated in defensive breakdowns and added a lot of oppo scoring to the tally.

This was similar again for this season, though probably not as bad as for last. Not helped by personnel issues at both ends of the ground this year too.

I still don't think that the club's defense enhanced gameplan was shifted to the extent it was made out to be on here, it was only a minor shift, but a flawed one that didn't really help, nor, unlike others, do I think that it played a particularly large part in our early results.
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Not sure how you come to that argument

We were the highest scoring team in the comp and one of the best if not the best ball movement sides from D50 in 2023

We needed to be a good ball movement side from half back because we have a weak midfield so we’re never going to be a leader in scores from stoppages and centre clearances

Problem was we lost our strengths to improve a weakness and the weakness wasn’t as bad as nicks thought anyway , I get why he wanted to concede less scores ie what you need for top 4 and premierships ie that premiership window of scores for and against but we didn’t have the execution or likely the coaching required to be able to perform such a dramatic shift all at once and suffered for it
 
Jeffcrowe said:
Yep I think 2024 was the worst too , looked unprepared

2023 we looked good in pre season and even though took a few rounds to get going were playing well in patches

This one is vital and then hit ground running
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We need tougher preseason practice matches. West coast last year didn't help our season start.

Maybe tee up a preseason "friendly" with a GWS or Geelong.
 
Gtowncrow said:
We need tougher preseason practice matches. West coast last year didn't help our season start.

Maybe tee up a preseason "friendly" with a GWS or Geelong.
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And if we are playing round 1 in northern states in mid to late March we need to do a training week or trial game in Queensland or northern NSW
 

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Gtowncrow said:
We need tougher preseason practice matches. West coast last year didn't help our season start.

Maybe tee up a preseason "friendly" with a GWS or Geelong.
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Given WC and Fremantle came to Adelaide, you can pretty much guarantee both us and Port travel to WA next year.
 
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