Bigman’s Training Reports

[Jeffcrowe]

We seem to be of the opinion that if there is risk, spoil (we're top 3 for spoils, behind GCS and Sydney this year). That said, we were bottom 5 for intercept marks with Sydney and GWS being lower. In differences between us and our opponent, in the last two years we've been out intercept marked and spoiled though.

Though it's likely to do with how we run our defense and that we're quite comfortable backing our defenders one-on-one (which likely flows on to they get a lot more bad situations to deal with). Seeing we average the 2nd most defensive one v one contests and to the teams credit, they have the fourth best record in them with a 23.6% loss rate (for context, we win 30.1% forward one v ones for the 2nd highest record)

Personnel in my opinion


Keane looks to have a complete licence to go for intercept marks but even though he’s very good at it he’s not in top category as the other guys I’ve mentioned

He could get there though after another 1-2 years

Worrell is also a chance but behind Keane

 

[Slime Roy]

Because we don’t have many natural intercept marks - Yet

Melb have Lever and May , hawks Sicily , Geelong Stewart , Port Alir , brisbane Andrew’s , Carlton Weitering, bulldogs Jones , freo Ryan

While I rate our defence as a whole we don’t have anyone at that level as a player in terms of intercept marks YET

Keane > Worrell > Max are our chances to push into those categories in my opinion

Even Muz can take some marks

How bout Hinge.. he's lively.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hope bout Hinge.. he's lively.

Hinge is a great player , takes the odd intercept mark too should have mentioned him

He’s quite a balanced player , wouldn’t say he’s a dominant intercept mark but it is part of his game

 

[Slime Roy]

Hinge is a great player , takes the odd intercept mark too should have mentioned him

He’s quite a balanced player , wouldn’t say he’s a dominant intercept mark but it is part of his game

When on Hinge is capable of ALOT of what we need

 

[beagle2]

It a nice ground to view a match from but your car might not be there after the match.

Had a car nicked while our kids were at a swimming carnival at the pool there

 

[WeeBlake]

If I had to guess, it's because our midfield is not good at putting pressure on their opposition, so the passes into our D50 tend to hit targets.

I think this is it. You get more intercept marks from pressured long kicks-in-hope from up the ground. Think of all times we have intercept marks against us and you can picture the scenario.

So my guess is our game plan applies less pressure between the arcs.

Another explanation is we play a spare defender less than other teams.

Another explanation is we set up similarly to other teams but our fwds and mids just apply less pressure (because they’re slow or lazy or unfit or badly coached?)

 

[AFC979810]

Both are quality intercept markers. I think Keane takes a few more intercept marks because he goes for more of them, arguably more than he should. Those extra intercept marks were also accompanied by extra instances of his opponents getting marks they shouldn't have gotten.

A player could probably lead the league in intercept marks if they just ran off their player every time and tried to intercept the ball, but I don't think their coach would be very happy about it.

Think they are pretty identical.

Keane averages 7.7 and Worrell 5.9. Keane also averages 93% TOG whilst Worrell is only 79.4%.

Personally I think Worrell has the higher ceiling and uses the footy much better. Would prefer him to be the Intercept defender.

 

[Shifty Crow]

Think they are pretty identical.

Keane averages 7.7 and Worrell 5.9. Keane also averages 93% TOG whilst Worrell is only 79.4%.

Personally I think Worrell has the higher ceiling and uses the footy much better. Would prefer him to be the Intercept defender.

Intercept marking needs to be part of both their games

They both need to be able to defend, and when it’s there turn come off there man and intercept mark

It’s not a one, or the other - we need both Keane and Worrell to impact with intercept marks


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[StonesThrow]

Why are we a lowly ranked intercept marking team?

The simple answer could just be because we are not very good and not very well coached.

I think a factor is that our defence is still very inexperienced. Still don't have the nous and confidence to come off their players and take a mark. More likely to see 2 or 3 of our key defenders all go in for the panic spoil. Butts is our most experienced defender and he's not an intercept player

Games
Butts: 75
Murray: 55
Michalaney: 45
Keane: 31
Worrell: 30

IMO Butts shouldn't be in the 22 from that list. That means that we are still 2 seasons away from any of our defenders reaching 100 games!

 

[Slime Roy]

The simple answer could just be because we are not very good and not very well coached.

I think a factor is that our defence is still very inexperienced. Still don't have the nous and confidence to come off their players and take a mark. More likely to see 2 or 3 of our key defenders all go in for the panic spoil. Butts is our most experienced defender and he's not an intercept player

Games
Butts: 75
Murray: 55
Michalaney: 45
Keane: 31
Worrell: 30

IMO Butts shouldn't be in the 22 from that list. That means that we are still 2 seasons away from any of our defenders reaching 100 games!

Smith & Laird

 

[Crow till I die]

Not by the stats

Keane takes more intercept marks last year by average and overall by far

We are a very low intercept mark side which makes him even more important

I think we were bottom few , if we don’t improve that we will struggle

Maybe so, but i trust Worrell more in that role. To me, he has the potential to be our Stewart. Keane can be good but i see Worrell as the more natural instinctive player back there

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Maybe so, but i trust Worrell more in that role. To me, he has the potential to be our Stewart. Keane can be good but i see Worrell as the more natural instinctive player back there

Yep but facts at moment are different than your trust level or ‘feel’


Keane is factually our most prolific intercept mark

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Intercept marking needs to be part of both their games

They both need to be able to defend, and when it’s there turn come off there man and intercept mark

It’s not a one, or the other - we need both Keane and Worrell to impact with intercept marks


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Yep exactly , it’s modern football

The days of the dour shut down defender are almost gone

You can maybe carry one of those , the rest need to be able to intercept including intercept marks

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Think they are pretty identical.

Keane averages 7.7 and Worrell 5.9. Keane also averages 93% TOG whilst Worrell is only 79.4%.

Personally I think Worrell has the higher ceiling and uses the footy much better. Would prefer him to be the Intercept defender.

Are you talking intercept possessions not intercept marks ? There’s a big diff

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The simple answer could just be because we are not very good and not very well coached.

I think a factor is that our defence is still very inexperienced. Still don't have the nous and confidence to come off their players and take a mark. More likely to see 2 or 3 of our key defenders all go in for the panic spoil. Butts is our most experienced defender and he's not an intercept player

Games
Butts: 75
Murray: 55
Michalaney: 45
Keane: 31
Worrell: 30

IMO Butts shouldn't be in the 22 from that list. That means that we are still 2 seasons away from any of our defenders reaching 100 games!

It’s an area of recruitment I think we might need to target eventually if Keane and Worrell ( and Max) don’t take it next level

 

[1970crow]

The simple answer could just be because we are not very good and not very well coached.

I think a factor is that our defence is still very inexperienced. Still don't have the nous and confidence to come off their players and take a mark. More likely to see 2 or 3 of our key defenders all go in for the panic spoil. Butts is our most experienced defender and he's not an intercept player

Games
Butts: 75
Murray: 55
Michalaney: 45
Keane: 31
Worrell: 30

IMO Butts shouldn't be in the 22 from that list. That means that we are still 2 seasons away from any of our defenders reaching 100 games!

I don't think it's that at all. As Stab said, it's about pressure applied to opposition entries into their forward line. Our midfield is often burnt off allowing pressureless entries directed at actual targets. Our entries, whilst improving, are still over represented with hack or indiscriminate long kicks purely to make ground. These are much easier to pick off. Plus we push a player up to the contests, allowing an oppo loose man to feast on our hack entries.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep exactly , it’s modern football

The days of the dour shut down defender are almost gone

You can maybe carry one of those , the rest need to be able to intercept including intercept marks

I agree Jeff ....but footy has a habit of recycling approaches

Remember when tagging, we were told by coaches, was too difficult given modern defensive setups ......that is until one coach dared break the code .....and then the sheep followed

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't think it's that at all. As Stab said, it's about pressure applied to opposition entries into their forward line. Our midfield is often burnt off allowing pressureless entries directed at actual targets. Our entries, whilst improving, are still over represented with hack or indiscriminate long kicks purely to make ground. These are much easier to pick off. Plus we push a player up to the contests, allowing an oppo loose man to feast on our hack entries.

You do realise, we're not the only team in the AFL who often has an extra at throw-ins and ball-ups

 

[Floating Doughnut]

2024 average

Intercept marks.

Keane. 2.4
Butts. 1.7
Borlase. 1.3
Max. 1.3
Muzz. 1.2
Worrell. 1.2

In the last 10 games each player played Keane avge 2.8 and Woz 1.0
Think Keane could be top 10 in league next year, very excited in his potential.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Intercept possessions 2024

Mark Keane. 9th in the league 7.7
Wozz 40th in the league. 5.9


Keane top 5 in AFL next year hopefully

 

[dogs105]

Why are we a lowly ranked intercept marking team?

I think it's because we take fewer intercept marks than other teams.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

2024 average

Intercept marks.

Keane. 2.4
Butts. 1.7
Borlase. 1.3
Max. 1.3
Muzz. 1.2
Worrell. 1.2

In the last 10 games each player played Keane avge 2.8 and Woz 1.0
Think Keane could be top 10 in league next year, very excited in his potential.

Yes we are finally looking at the right stats

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Intercept possessions 2024

Mark Keane. 9th in the league 7.7
Wozz 40th in the league. 5.9


Keane top 5 in AFL next year hopefully

Yep this is my point , on this basis alone unless he loses all form Keane is a must have in our side given we aren’t a prolific intercept mark team

 

[Danger in Texas]

Given Keane probably won’t ever be a top tier 1v1 player, he definitely needs to go to another level again as an interceptor, if our defence is going to become more dynamic

Worrell’s intercept counts being so low is kinda strange to me, without re-watching I can’t really figure out why that is

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep this is my point , on this basis alone unless he loses all form Keane is a must have in our side given we aren’t a prolific intercept mark team

People still looking at Keane's age, and not the fact he's only played 31 games .....not exactly an experienced AFL player, so plenty of upside

I did suggest during the season, Keane "could" be that 3rd intercept defender .....Butts and Murray holding down the key posts .....I didn't get a great reaction to the idea

But Keane is our best intercept defender