Injury Blue Healers Medical Room - 2023

[thylacine60]

Your right.

We shouldnt discuss injuries, recurrence of injuries or really anything injury related in an injury thread.

Apologies, play on...

Lets put a positive spin on it, at least these guys arent top10 players on our list

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You couldn't put a positive spin on rolled mud at Eden Gardens ......

 

[CFC_#17]

Why do we get all these stress fracture injuries with feet?

Why do we have multiple players with lingering back issues?

Why do we get told Walsh was fine after Christmas by Cripps, McKay and others and then he’s out for a good chunk of the season?


Why are we being lied about the return of players and the extent of their injuries?


The timelines of injuries are always so loose. Other clubs like Geelong and Pies tell their fans exactly what’s happening and exactly what’s being done about it.


All these types of injuries are from overloading or doing something stupid in the gym.


Russell has been poor since being at our club. He’s had some absolute great successes like getting Curnow back to his best, but all these blokes with the back injuries and all the moon boot feet stress fracture rubbish is outweighing the good.


Why is nothing being done about it?


That good enough of an answer

Last year the club had 4 players go under for back surgeries, it’s rare for clubs to have 1 player have back surgeries yet we had 4.

Andrew Russell has cleaned out a lot of the trainers and Physio’s with experience and replaced them with juniors that won’t question him. They will sack a coach after a bad year, but how many lives does an over paid trainer get?

 

[jpfalvo]

Contribute to the conversation mate.

Yes its amazing for those guys. All credit to them. Hurts even more.

2021 coleman winner
2022 coleman winner
2022 brownlow winner
2021 brownlow place getter
5 AA nominees, 3 make it

Didnt help us make finals.

Injury issues being scrutinised by Brian Cook as "out of proportion", at end of season

Lack of depth, and development in the 2s to put pressure on spots in the 1s.

Its very fair to scrutinize these types of injuries to players I'd rank as best 25. To be successful you need the majority of your better players on a list to get through preseason. You need AFL listed depth creating a strong 2s team

My balance, still think we should make finals but it is January and we have a number injured or with no injury update from the club

Why shut down a conversation

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

FMD Now Boyd

 

[Ald Gardiner]

This Boyd injury has just put me over the top - I’m convinced his run is needed if we are going to challenge for a flag

 

[BlueTang]

Can you articulate which injuries are ever able to be sheeted home to the ‘High Performance’ team? Any? None? Which ones? Just hamstrings? No others? Hiya trust the club? Just bad luck and bad luck and more bad luck?

Fukcing give me a break.

Let me ask this question:

What would GET WOrSE if we ****ed Russell off and gave someone else a shot? Name ONE THINg.

I Agree with you, the one thing that would get worse is the soft cap allowance, since he is swallowing up a lot of cash which we would still have to pay out. But from outside looking in, think it’s time to move him on

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I think the more pertinent issue is peoples The more pertinent point


Good question.

Good question.

The issue here is why those players would speak about someone else's injury without knowing.

The other issue, why would you assume they know what they're talking about?


Who has lied?


Bullshit. There's uncertainty about injuries at every club, not just at Carlton. Criticism of the club is fine, but this is completely nonsensical.

Injury timelines are loose because of the uncertainty. That's not unusual or unique to Carlton.


You don't know that. Many of our injuries have been contact related.

He has been poor because we have injuries?

Is he the only person at the club responsible?

I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to tell me what his job actually entails, so maybe let's lay off the absurd criticism.


How do you know nothing is being done about it?


Not really, no. I appreciate the vent though.


High performance team would have a role to play, but it's absurd to continuously point the finger at one department, let alone one guy.



Again, without knowing what his role actually entails, it's impossible for you (or me, and I'm not pretending otherwise) to make that sort of claim.

Same shit with Rogers and Hughes, we failed last rebuild because of incompetence and now doing the same because the incumbent has a reputation.

The club is too scared to change things up until it’s too late. Unless you’re a coach, then you’re ****ed.


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[Arr0w]

Contribute to the conversation mate.

I always do

Yes its amazing for those guys. All credit to them. Hurts even more.

2021 coleman winner
2022 coleman winner
2022 brownlow winner
2021 brownlow place getter
5 AA nominees, 3 make it

Didnt help us make finals.

So players return from injury, some long term, have career best years, it's "good on them"

Player suffers injury, "Russell is incompetent"

Injury issues being scrutinised by Brian Cook as "out of proportion", at end of season

It was reviewed, do you think we miraculously go injury free now?

Lack of depth, and development in the 2s to put pressure on spots in the 1s.

You think other sides would have made finals with our level of injuries, could you name one this year?

Its very fair to scrutinize these types of injuries to players I'd rank as best 25. To be successful you need the majority of your better players on a list to get through preseason. You need AFL listed depth creating a strong 2s team

Surely you don't think there is a different strategy to fitness and injury rehab based on the quality of player.

My balance, still think we should make finals but it is January and we have a number injured or with no injury update from the club

Exactly, its January.

Stop thinking you or any other supporter of any other club will get a daily/weekly update at this time of the year

Why shut down a conversation

Not shutting anything down, just amused at the one-sided commentary, which seems to always lean in one direction, evident by comments like good on the player for having an injury free, career best year, but supposedly it's AR's incompetency for a player getting injured or not developing well.

Seems AR is also being blamed for player development

 

[azlou]

On brighter news Dr Peter Larkin said Walshs surgery is far less invasive now
Should be up and about in 4-6 weeks

 

[choo]

I want to know...

How we rehabilitated Harry's back issue, where he then went on to win a Coleman

Charlie, coming back after 2 odd years out and winning a coleman

Cripps, 2 years of injuries, coming back and winning a Brownlow/BNF

Young, playing stuff all footy then having an amazing first year at the club

Saad, never winning AA honours at 2 other clubs, but winning 1 with us

Kennedy having serious injury concerns at GWS and initially with us, then a career best year in 2022

Fisher having injury concerns each year, then playing all games in 2022

Doc, 2 ACLS, 2 cancer stints and playing every game in 2022

Cotts having his best season in 2022

I want answers and I want them now

McKay back is better. Granted. Is his shoulder?

Charlie- club admits surgery was botched.

Cripps was encouraged to change his body shape in consecutive years. Returned to his original size 2022.

Young played every game the last half of 2021 with dogs then 19 with us
Saad. He came for pick 8 clearly a class player. Had a very good year. Have we developed him?
He was a very good player and still is.

Kennedy played 16 matches in his last year with Gws. Last year was the only year he’s come close (17)

Fisher broke his leg.
Played 17,17,21, 8,10,22. So he was fine when we got him.

Doc 2 acl injuries in preseason training. He said himself he had to change his preseason. Went too hard. The first year. Second was apparently bad luck.

Cottrell yes!!! Had his best year. So why was he encouraged to put on 5kg. Then was his training moderated to accommodate new body shape?


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[rp84]

****. This. Shit.

 

[Wickzki]

Would rather have players working through injury issues this time of year than mid year.

Next.

 

[AceAndy]

FMD Now Boyd

What injury is this ?

 

[Arr0w]

McKay back is better. Granted. Is his shoulder?

I thought he missed with a pcl, 4 games I believe. Not sure there is a shoulder concern

Charlie- club admits surgery was botched.

Club or rumour

Cripps was encouraged to change his body shape in consecutive years. Returned to his original size 2022.

Cripps was encouraged or made the decision himself. Either, he had a career best year

Young played every game the last half of 2021 with dogs then 19 with us

So half a season vs a full season

Saad. He came for pick 8 clearly a class player. Had a very good year. Have we developed him?
He was a very good player and still is.

Yet, never an AA at 2 other clubs

Kennedy played 16 matches in his last year with Gws. Last year was the only year he’s come close (17)

But still had injury concerns at both clubs, with a career best 2022

Fisher broke his leg.
Played 17,17,21, 8,10,22. So he was fine when we got him.

But, still had a career best year, and playing more games than any other year

Doc 2 acl injuries in preseason training. He said himself he had to change his preseason. Went too hard. The first year. Second was apparently bad luck.

Doc suffered an ACL prior to Russell arriving, then, re-injured the ACL, 2 months into Russell tenure, so the rehab program was in place for some time.

Played 22 games this year

Cottrell yes!!! Had his best year. So why was he encouraged to put on 5kg. Then was his training moderated to accommodate new body shape?

Not as if Cottrell was beast size and no idea if his training was modified, facts remain, he too had a career best year in 2022

Lastly, the rumour mid last year, was that the club was lifting loads on players, as it was deemed we weren't at competition standard. It was also mentioned that the benefits would be visible longterm

If we reduce overall injuries this year, make finals, then you would have to say the strategy was successful, even if we are without some players, for periods of the year

At this stage, it seems only Boyd, Fogarty and Walsh will miss the start of the season, I don't see that as being too bad, in fact, it's an improvement on last year

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Our injury review talked about getting more support in, so if Russell got rid of physios and trainers, then the club are going to give these types back to him.



My main focus in judging Russell is running out games and reaching deep when they are hurting. If they can't do that, he's doing something wrong.



I'd be looking at doctors and physios for injuries not being treated properly.

 

[found object]

What injury is this ?

Injury update: Boyd and Cottrell

Jordan Boyd and Matthew Cottrell will spend time on the sidelines.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[choo]

I thought he missed with a pcl, 4 games I believe. Not sure there is a shoulder concern



Club or rumour


Cripps was encouraged or made the decision himself. Either, he had a career best year


So half a season vs a full season

Yet, never an AA at 2 other clubs


But still had injury concerns at both clubs, with a career best 2022


But, still had a career best year, and playing more games than any other year

Doc suffered an ACL prior to Russell arriving, then, re-injured the ACL, 2 months into Russell tenure, so tge rehab program was in place for some time.

Played 22 games this year

Not as if Cottrell was beast size and no idea if his training was modified, facts remain, he too had a career best year in 2022

Lastly, the rumour mid last year, was that the club was lifting loads on players, as it was deemed we weren't at competition standard. It was also mentioned that the benefits would be visible longterm

If we reduce overall injuries this year, make finals, then you would have to say the strategy was successful, even if we are without some players, for periods of the year

At this stage, it seems only Boyd, Fogarty and Walsh will miss the start of the season, I don't see that as being too bad, in fact, it's an improvement on last year

We can agree to disagree. I’m not directing everything at Russell. I think our training standards were appalling. I believe it’s been a club issue and the major obstacle in our way.

I’m relieved the club acknowledged in the review that a more personalized approach was needed to training and particularly preseason training. I’m not convinced it has been embraced and I’m sure it was previously ignored.

I’m equally concerned about our development. As in my original post today

Do our kids improve?
Dow, O’Brien. Kemp. Philp,.
I’m worried about losing Okeefe. Power seems very good and Lonergan is very highly rated in Geelong
My biggest issue is I believe we’re ideally placed. I don’t want to shoot ourselves in the foot.


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[Juice030103]

Sorry Jeremias I couldn’t be bother pointing out the specific question


But wtf do you mean is it only his responsibility!!

He’s the bloody fitness manager. Sorry for expecting him to cop most of the blame for injuries when he’s our fitness manager

 

[thylacine60]

Real close to giving up on the club.

do you have a date in mind?

 

[Jeremias]

But wtf do you mean is it only his responsibility!!

He’s the bloody fitness manager. Sorry for expecting him to cop most of the blame for injuries when he’s our fitness manager

And here is the issue.

Despite knowing maybe 1% of the facts here, at a stretch, you're piling on one bloke despite it being fairly logical to suggest he's not the only one to blame.

You don't know his title, you don't know his job description, you don't know his expertise, you don't know the extent of the injuries or any other detail relating to them, you don't know anything about the bodies of each individual player. I can keep going but that's probably enough.

So how and why exactly do you think it's even remotely appropriate or accurate to blame him and him alone?

 

[Aphrodite]

Injury Update 17th January

Injury update: Boyd and Cottrell

Jordan Boyd and Matthew Cottrell will spend time on the sidelines.

www.carltonfc.com.au

SCANS have confirmed Jordan Boyd has re-injured an acute fracture in his foot, while Matthew Cottrell is recovering from a navicular stress fracture.
The Club can confirm that Boyd will consult a specialist this evening and is likely to have surgery tomorrow.

Currently weight bearing in a moon boot, Cottrell will return to running once scans show adequate healing has occurred.

“We will give both players the required time to recover to ensure they’re in the best possible position to positively impact the team in season 2023.”

 

[Wickzki]

If we're going to investigate what is happening then I would start with the conditions and impacts training at Princes Park and playing at MARVEL Stadium have on our players and players at other clubs that use both grounds (for games played at PP for non-Carlton players).

You don't have to go very far to find people who are highly critical of the two grounds. Many people who play on it say they pull up sorer for days having played there.

It's more likely to be a significant factor in what's happening than it is than Andy being incapable of performing his role.

The non-stop blame game on Andy Russell screams of needing to point blame at someone after a while rather than identifying greater risk factors.

For those who will rightly point out that PP was resurfaced, resurfacing will partially help the issue but it can't fix what fundamentally lays underneath that surface. Just like a resurfacing of MARVEL will never fix that the ground itself is built on a car park which has often been pointed to as a contributing factor.

 

[Arr0w]

On brighter news Dr Peter Larkin said Walshs surgery is far less invasive now
Should be up and about in 4-6 weeks

 

[bradfisher14]

I don’t understand the theory around the surface of PP and Docklands.

If Princes is so bad, why has it only started to be detrimental recently? Why didn’t it ruin our dynasty teams of yesteryear?

Granted, Docklands is a hell hole and it is well documented how bad the surface can be. But why does it disproportionately impact Carlton players?

I propose that the common denominator in this scenario is our playing list. It is a list that has had substandard fitness programs throughout the entire rebuild. Through no fault of their own, the players’ bodies seem to lack the hardness required to play AFL at a high level and withstand injuries. Obviously I’m no expert, but logic tells me that this will get better with time as the group continues to mature. Here’s hoping.

 

[Gez1969]

Off to training this morning with kids. Will be avoiding opening umbrellas indoors, walking under ladders, black cats, rocks near mirrors.