Bluemour Melting Pot XX - Snark Free Zone

[slashin_velvet]

Clause 21.1(g) excludes any option to extend the term of Papley's contract. The argument that 21.1(g) does not apply to a "bilateral" exercise of an option does not make sense.

Suppose the Papley contract stated "if P plays 10 games in 2019 then either the Swans or P (i.e. both) may opt to extend his contract to 2024."

In this case since both may exercise the option, each may unilaterally exercise the option to extend the term of the contract. That is precisely what is excluded by 21.1.(g).

The concept is that it's no longer an "option" if it's a trigger - it's instead what you could call a "conditional" extension.

Not really any different to a lease that states that if no notice is given, the lease continues to roll month to month.

 

[happydude]

I was 70 pages behind in the old thread: DOH!
New thread started and I am immediately caught up: WOOHOO!
I am already 25 pages behind the new thread: DOH!






I have free yoghurt at work (seriously): WOOHOO!

The yoghurt is also cursed

 

[KnobHead]

Clause 21.1(g) excludes any option to extend the term of Papley's contract. The argument that 21.1(g) does not apply to a "bilateral" exercise of an option does not make sense.

Suppose the Papley contract stated "if P plays 10 games in 2019 then either the Swans or P (i.e. both) may opt to extend his contract to 2024."

In this case since both may exercise the option, each may unilaterally exercise the option to extend the term of the contract. That is precisely what is excluded by 21.1.(g).

The player contract can’t provide contrary terms to the enterprise agreement, which forms the minimum entitlements that apply to employees (or AFL players).

The clause limiting the option to renew / extending etc really seeks to prevent one party unilaterally making a decision.

If there are clauses in the contract about extending/ renewing etc which both parties agree to and doesn’t allow for a unilateral decision by one party, then the enterprise agreement won’t be breached.

With Papley, need to look at exactly what his contract says.

There. Some free legal advice. Albeit i’ll now charge that time to someone else


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[The Old Dark Navy's]

Liking I get. Stops the old "+1" posts.

The dislikes etc make no sense for BF

This was the main reason IMO. The 'good post', 'LOL', 'Well said' type posts cluttered up the boards.

Also the like function helps gauge the popularity of an idea that somebody may want to pursue.

 

[zeggie]

That Martin trade makes no sense (1st with a 2nd back) if we're offering future 1st for Gaff.

How exactly do we get Papley?

Pick 9 is the minimum, absolute minimum, they'll accept.

 

[happydude]

This was the main reason IMO. The 'good post', 'LOL', 'Well said' type posts cluttered up the boards.

Also the like function helps gauge the popularity of an idea that somebody may want to pursue.

Likes are more akin to "up votes" on forums rather than likes on instagram.

The corny "haha +2" posts needed to die

 

[Aphrodite]

If Gaff has a one year clause on his contract wouldn't that make him a FA? I don't understand this at all. Is he contracted or not? It doesn't make sense. Is the clause real? The contract one, not the xmas one

Contracted until the end of 2024.

Gaff’s new deal to make him an Eagle for life

Andrew Gaff has turned his back on about $2 million over the next seven years to stay at West Coast on a long-term contract.

thewest.com.au

 

[F_therest]

From what the Crows fans reckon: Knight has never reached his potential due to never settling into a role over there, but seems motivated to play under Teague. Not super quick, but can tag, is well drilled and skilled, play small fwd or small back - biggest asset is his hardness at the player and the ball.

Should provide us with a bit of much-needed grunt and mongrel. Definitely has something to prove.

Getting Knight and Cutler, who are both in the right age bracket, would be handy pick ups for sure.

Sure, not Papley levels of excitement, but certainly will add to our depth and get our age demographic going the right direction. Plus both definitely have the potential to surprise and become solid best 22 contributors things going well...Richmond is full of 'role players' who just play their part in the system well.

I'm looking at guys like Castagna, Baker, Butler (in 2017), imo even guys like Broad & Astbury. None of those guys are particularly skilled, certainly not stars at least but in a good system they are playing their role well enough to contribute to a premiership. Others like Grimes, Lambert & Soldo have improved immensely in their system.

 

[ferrisb]

Craig Cameron (GC) says they want a first for Martin.

Gold Coast said they would only accept an elite player in return for O'Meara. That they did not need picks.

Next they said they wanted one very early pick plus a player.

They were adamant that they would send O'Meara into the draft if not satisfied.

O'Meara ended up being traded for pick 10 and change...

 

[Robbo's my hero]

KnobHead
[There. Some free legal advice. Albeit i’ll now charge that time to someone else

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Hence the poster name?

 

[HBF]

HELLO,
BRODIE GRUNDY HAS TOLD PIES, 7 YEARS OR NO DEAL!!!

Good on him.
He knows he can get 7 years from elsewhere

 

[CJMB]

Goodbye Marchbank then.

haha, yeah I'm sure he's had a massive change of heart and is just itching to move back to Sydney after 3 years

 

[RoyalParade]

Saw a tweet from trade radio


Blues trade picks 9, 41 and 69 1930 points, to wce for picks 14 and 24.1946 points.

14 to swans for Papley.

24 to suns for Martin

Seems ok. Swans may want something else though.

 

[F_therest]

That Martin trade makes no sense (1st with a 2nd back) if we're offering future 1st for Gaff.

How exactly do we get Papley?

Pick 9 is the minimum, absolute minimum, they'll accept.

Said it earlier, something like this:

Trade 1: Pick 9, 41 & 46 for Papley & pick 25
Trade 2: Pick 25 for Martin
Trade 3: Future 1st (+ steak knives?) for Gaff

Betts for a low pick like 69 or even 82
Find a way to get some low-ish picks for Cutler & Knight - eg through the above trades or may need to trade someone like Casboult (if we can, dont quite understand his contract status)

Ideally we keep pick 46 in the Papley trade and use that to land Cutler/Knight.

 

[Mister Carlton]

haha, yeah I'm sure he's had a massive change of heart and is just itching to move back to Sydney after 3 years

Tough decisions to be made, fan favourites will be moved on to bring in players that suit our list.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Greenwood a top 20 pick.

 

[Matt Clape]

haha, yeah I'm sure he's had a massive change of heart and is just itching to move back to Sydney after 3 years

Agree. Don’t think we should be letting him go and doubt he’d want to head there. I believe the Papley deal will be a straight swap for pick 9. This may get more complicated if the Daniher deal drags on.

 

[zeggie]

Said it earlier, something like this:

Trade 1: Pick 9, 41 & 46 for Papley & pick 25
Trade 2: Pick 25 for Martin
Trade 3: Future 1st (+ steak knives?) for Gaff

Betts for a low pick like 69 or even 82
Find a way to get some low-ish picks for Cutler & Knight - eg through the above trades or may need to trade someone like Casboult (if we can, dont quite understand his contract status)

Barass already said 1st for Paps and 2nd was knocked back. Why would pick 41&46 get it over the line when Swans already have plenty of 3rd rounders themselves?

 

[F_therest]

Barass already said 1st for Paps and 2nd was knocked back. Why would pick 41&46 get it over the line when Swans already have plenty of 3rd rounders themselves?

How do you know it wouldn't?

I've added 2 x 3rd rounders to the deal. They may have their eyes on other players they could use those picks to trade in/draft.

 

[zeggie]

Contracted until the end of 2024.

Gaff’s new deal to make him an Eagle for life

Andrew Gaff has turned his back on about $2 million over the next seven years to stay at West Coast on a long-term contract.

thewest.com.au

Already been reported Gaff has a conditional contract just like Kelly.

AFL contracts slowly becoming NBA style. Good and bad for players. Easier for players to get out (UFA at specific points - leave for nothing). Far less protection if they get injured or their form slumps (Club simply refuses to active option and contract ends).

 

[Matty411]

Could end up being a three way trade with Martin, seeing our future 2nd heading to the Crows and Greenwood + later picks heading to GC.

 

[Sin City]

This was the main reason IMO. The 'good post', 'LOL', 'Well said' type posts cluttered up the boards.

Also the like function helps gauge the popularity of an idea that somebody may want to pursue.

This.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

SOS’s reaction to Swan’s posturing.

 

[CJMB]

Tough decisions to be made, fan favourites will be moved on to bring in players that suit our list.

But how do you convince a kid who was keen to move from Sydney to Melbourne that he should go back? Marchbank just tells you where to go and that if he doesn't get an extension past his 2020 contract, he'll go somewhere else in Melbourne who's screaming out for a tall defender. You do know you can't just ship players off wherever you'd like?

 

[zeggie]

How do you know it wouldn't?

I've added 2 x 3rd rounders to the deal. They may have their eyes on other players they could use those picks to trade in/draft.

We can apply for special dispensation from AFL to trade first and second picks 2019. You think having NO picks in the first 3 rounds will get that dispensation approved? Unlikely to be able to meet 3 required picks in the draft either.

Long stretch.