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As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours.
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teddy-hopkins said:
We don't have enough quick guys (hence the targeting of Philp, Honey, Williams, Saad, Papley, Martin, etc).

We're looking for speed. Cunningham is one that has pace so the question is how do we get him more involved - more so than - well he's not a star yet so how do we get rid of him.

I'd love to see him train at half back this preseason. He can find space and be fed the ball and use that speed to impact a lot more.
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There are no easy spots to win in the 2021 Carlton side. Cunners needs to either become a dominating ball winner mid who is BOG 3-4 times a season, or learn to play a role for the team, back or forward. Wherever he (or the coaches) set him to play he’ll have to knock good players out of the side to be named there.


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HBF said:
Day after Cup day maybe.
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Yeah the AFL can't have anything compete with their news cycle. Not sure why they started trade radio so far in advance of trade week with nothing to talk about and not sure what will be left to do in trade week given all the clubs are already talking and getting deals done.
 

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Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods said:
Sorry, I just couldn't move past this. Seen lots of people who use 'could of', or 'should of' instead of could've and should've (could have/should have) because they sound phonetically similar, but I don't think I've ever seen 'out've'.
"everything's out have whack". It just hurts my brain.

Sorry, not having a dig, but my eyes kept going back to it.
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Can I please ask the mods to start a separate 'English Language' forum. Thank You.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Don't mind them getting 8 as long as we get something good back. On our side, it's the same return as if we split the pick with anyone else before trading.

If we finish the trade period with Williams, Saad, a late first and our second, then we've done well.

Would like to see us target a small forward via trade with our third rounder as well, then we're well positioned for 2021. Plenty of pressure on the young developing mids then - Dow, Stocker, Kemp, Philp, etc. - see who wants that midfield post more than the others.
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Agree with you totally, that outcome would be great, there’s plenty of work to do, align our reserves with Ist teame, assess and review our young talent diligently effectively once and for all , then attack the trade table after another considerable list clean out, if necessary.
2021 will see as knocking on the door of final eight comfortably.
 
I jumped on the Essendon board to gauge their thoughts on Saad. A lot of them seem happy enough with 8 for Saad and a 2nd rounder. I believe that's the most equitable outcome for both parties. Personally, I'm happy to ship 8 for Saad in a straight swap - if that's what it comes to. Ideally though, 8 for Saad and a 2nd rounder or Kennedy + a 2nd round for Saad would be beautiful.
 
Even if Williams was the next Chris Judd, Kane Cornes wouldn't admit it.
 
Mike D said:
I'm pretty much resigned to just williams and saad PROVIDED the * trash don't get pick 8
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You sound disappointed. :)

A couple of things go our way here an I'll have this as an A+ trade period.
Everyone will see things differently, but I feel we don't have to add a lot now......to add a lot. We'll see.
 

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BringBackSimmo said:
Even if Williams was the next Chris Judd, Kane Cornes wouldn't admit it.
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You just know if Williams opted for PA he'd be saying that he's worth every cent and how PA were so savvy with the deal.

Absolute nuffie-provocateur.
 
Time to boycott Kane Cornes, getting sick of his anti Carlton crap, yes he does it on purpose because we all bite, but enough is enough!!

If all Carlton followers actively switched off while he is on air fingers crossed we have enough to make the "numbers" drop enough for Crock Media to drop him or say dial it down as you are now costing us $$$

I know whenever I hear his voice I change the station....

LETS GET IT GOING!!!! #boycottkanecornes
 
HARKER said:
You sound disappointed. :)

A couple of things go our way here an I'll have this as an A+ trade period.
Everyone will see things differently, but I feel we don't have to add a lot now......to add a lot. We'll see.
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I didn't suggest otherwise :)
 
I don't understand why people are so hard against pick 8 for Saad.. These are the picks 5 through 10 from 2010 to 2017 (too early to pass judgement on more recent drafts):

2010:
5. Jared Polec
6. Reece Conca
7. Josh Caddy
8. Dyson Heppell
9. Dion Prestia
10. Daniel Gorringe

2011:
5. Matt Buntine
6. Chad Wingard
7. Nick Haynes
8. Billy Longer
9. Adam Tomlinson
10. Liam Sumner

2012:
5. Jake Stringer
6. Jack Macrae
7. Ollie Wines
8. Sam Mayes
9. Nick Vlaustuin
10. Joe Daniher

2013:
5. Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Matthew Scharenberg
7. James Aish
8. Luke Mcdonald
9. Christian Salem
10. Nathan Freeman

2014:
5. Jordan De Goey
6. Caleb Marchbank
7. Paul Ahern
8. Peter Wright
9. Darcy Moore
10. Nakia Cockatoo

2015:
5. Darcy Parish
6. Aaron Francis
7. Jacob Hopper
8. Callum Ah Chee
9. Sam Weideman
10. Harry McKay

2016.
5. Will Setterfield
6. Sam Petrevski-Seton
7. Jack Scrimshaw
8. Griffin Logue
9. Will Brodie
10. Jack Bowes

2017:
5. Adam Cerra
6. Jaidyn Stephenson
7. Hunter Clark
8. Nick Coffield
9. Aaron Naughton
10. Lochie O'Brien

Now, of those players listed above - I would take the following above Saad:
9. Dion Prestia, 6. Jack Macrae, 9. Darcy Moore, 10. Harry McKay

And, rate the following as similar in ability/future ability:
8. Dyson Heppell, 7. Ollie Wines,7. Nick Haynes, 7. Jacob Hopper, 5. Adam Cerra, 9. Aaron Naughton

So, is pick 8 really that big of a price to pay for a consistent, dashing and daring half-back that has been on the fringe of AA selection the past 3-4 years? He's a jet. I assume we'd all happily trade Lachie O'Brien in a straight swap for Saad? Or, SPS?

I rate him, I assume we all rate him hence why we are so excited. So what if we lose pick 8. The draft outside the top 3 is a lottery in many respects.
 
HARKER said:
You sound disappointed. :)

A couple of things go our way here an I'll have this as an A+ trade period.
Everyone will see things differently, but I feel we don't have to add a lot now......to add a lot. We'll see.
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Agree this is an A+ trading period succinctly put, two players traded in, exactly what we need desperately, speed, skill, add some toughness too right age for immediate impact and there may be a surprise.
Established and emerging players will all benefit alike. Upwards & Onwards.
 
an unbiased carlton man said:
I don't understand why people are so hard against pick 8 for Saad.. These are the picks 5 through 10 from 2010 to 2017 (too early to pass judgement on more recent drafts):

2010:
5. Jared Polec
6. Reece Conca
7. Josh Caddy
8. Dyson Heppell
9. Dion Prestia
10. Daniel Gorringe

2011:
5. Matt Buntine
6. Chad Wingard
7. Nick Haynes
8. Billy Longer
9. Adam Tomlinson
10. Liam Sumner

2012:
5. Jake Stringer
6. Jack Macrae
7. Ollie Wines
8. Sam Mayes
9. Nick Vlaustuin
10. Joe Daniher

2013:
5. Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Matthew Scharenberg
7. James Aish
8. Luke Mcdonald
9. Christian Salem
10. Nathan Freeman

2014:
5. Jordan De Goey
6. Caleb Marchbank
7. Paul Ahern
8. Peter Wright
9. Darcy Moore
10. Nakia Cockatoo

2015:
5. Darcy Parish
6. Aaron Francis
7. Jacob Hopper
8. Callum Ah Chee
9. Sam Weideman
10. Harry McKay

2016.
5. Will Setterfield
6. Sam Petrevski-Seton
7. Jack Scrimshaw
8. Griffin Logue
9. Will Brodie
10. Jack Bowes

2017:
5. Adam Cerra
6. Jaidyn Stephenson
7. Hunter Clark
8. Nick Coffield
9. Aaron Naughton
10. Lochie O'Brien

Now, of those players listed above - I would take the following above Saad:
9. Dion Prestia, 6. Jack Macrae, 9. Darcy Moore, 10. Harry McKay

And, rate the following as similar in ability/future ability:
8. Dyson Heppell, 7. Ollie Wines,7. Nick Haynes, 7. Jacob Hopper, 5. Adam Cerra, 9. Aaron Naughton

So, is pick 8 really that big of a price to pay for a consistent, dashing and daring half-back that has been on the fringe of AA selection the past 3-4 years? He's a jet. I assume we'd all happily trade Lachie O'Brien in a straight swap for Saad? Or, SPS?

I rate him, I assume we all rate him hence why we are so excited. So what if we lose pick 8. The draft outside the top 3 is a lottery in many respects.
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Sure, he'll likely be better than what we pick up in the draft, but it's about maximising assets.
 
an unbiased carlton man said:
I don't understand why people are so hard against pick 8 for Saad.. These are the picks 5 through 10 from 2010 to 2017 (too early to pass judgement on more recent drafts):

2010:
5. Jared Polec
6. Reece Conca
7. Josh Caddy
8. Dyson Heppell
9. Dion Prestia
10. Daniel Gorringe

2011:
5. Matt Buntine
6. Chad Wingard
7. Nick Haynes
8. Billy Longer
9. Adam Tomlinson
10. Liam Sumner

2012:
5. Jake Stringer
6. Jack Macrae
7. Ollie Wines
8. Sam Mayes
9. Nick Vlaustuin
10. Joe Daniher

2013:
5. Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Matthew Scharenberg
7. James Aish
8. Luke Mcdonald
9. Christian Salem
10. Nathan Freeman

2014:
5. Jordan De Goey
6. Caleb Marchbank
7. Paul Ahern
8. Peter Wright
9. Darcy Moore
10. Nakia Cockatoo

2015:
5. Darcy Parish
6. Aaron Francis
7. Jacob Hopper
8. Callum Ah Chee
9. Sam Weideman
10. Harry McKay

2016.
5. Will Setterfield
6. Sam Petrevski-Seton
7. Jack Scrimshaw
8. Griffin Logue
9. Will Brodie
10. Jack Bowes

2017:
5. Adam Cerra
6. Jaidyn Stephenson
7. Hunter Clark
8. Nick Coffield
9. Aaron Naughton
10. Lochie O'Brien

Now, of those players listed above - I would take the following above Saad:
9. Dion Prestia, 6. Jack Macrae, 9. Darcy Moore, 10. Harry McKay

And, rate the following as similar in ability/future ability:
8. Dyson Heppell, 7. Ollie Wines,7. Nick Haynes, 7. Jacob Hopper, 5. Adam Cerra, 9. Aaron Naughton

So, is pick 8 really that big of a price to pay for a consistent, dashing and daring half-back that has been on the fringe of AA selection the past 3-4 years? He's a jet. I assume we'd all happily trade Lachie O'Brien in a straight swap for Saad? Or, SPS?

I rate him, I assume we all rate him hence why we are so excited. So what if we lose pick 8. The draft outside the top 3 is a lottery in many respects.
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Who's been traded recently for the value of pick 5-10 and how do they stack up against Saad?
 
an unbiased carlton man said:
I don't understand why people are so hard against pick 8 for Saad.. These are the picks 5 through 10 from 2010 to 2017 (too early to pass judgement on more recent drafts):

2010:
5. Jared Polec
6. Reece Conca
7. Josh Caddy
8. Dyson Heppell
9. Dion Prestia
10. Daniel Gorringe

2011:
5. Matt Buntine
6. Chad Wingard
7. Nick Haynes
8. Billy Longer
9. Adam Tomlinson
10. Liam Sumner

2012:
5. Jake Stringer
6. Jack Macrae
7. Ollie Wines
8. Sam Mayes
9. Nick Vlaustuin
10. Joe Daniher

2013:
5. Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Matthew Scharenberg
7. James Aish
8. Luke Mcdonald
9. Christian Salem
10. Nathan Freeman

2014:
5. Jordan De Goey
6. Caleb Marchbank
7. Paul Ahern
8. Peter Wright
9. Darcy Moore
10. Nakia Cockatoo

2015:
5. Darcy Parish
6. Aaron Francis
7. Jacob Hopper
8. Callum Ah Chee
9. Sam Weideman
10. Harry McKay

2016.
5. Will Setterfield
6. Sam Petrevski-Seton
7. Jack Scrimshaw
8. Griffin Logue
9. Will Brodie
10. Jack Bowes

2017:
5. Adam Cerra
6. Jaidyn Stephenson
7. Hunter Clark
8. Nick Coffield
9. Aaron Naughton
10. Lochie O'Brien

Now, of those players listed above - I would take the following above Saad:
9. Dion Prestia, 6. Jack Macrae, 9. Darcy Moore, 10. Harry McKay

And, rate the following as similar in ability/future ability:
8. Dyson Heppell, 7. Ollie Wines,7. Nick Haynes, 7. Jacob Hopper, 5. Adam Cerra, 9. Aaron Naughton

So, is pick 8 really that big of a price to pay for a consistent, dashing and daring half-back that has been on the fringe of AA selection the past 3-4 years? He's a jet. I assume we'd all happily trade Lachie O'Brien in a straight swap for Saad? Or, SPS?

I rate him, I assume we all rate him hence why we are so excited. So what if we lose pick 8. The draft outside the top 3 is a lottery in many respects.
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You can "...not understand" all you like but you are not going to change what a person values in regards to these things. Get back to me when the probable begins to outweigh the possible, it doesn't in this case.
 
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an unbiased carlton man said:
I don't understand why people are so hard against pick 8 for Saad.. These are the picks 5 through 10 from 2010 to 2017 (too early to pass judgement on more recent drafts):

2010:
5. Jared Polec
6. Reece Conca
7. Josh Caddy
8. Dyson Heppell
9. Dion Prestia
10. Daniel Gorringe

2011:
5. Matt Buntine
6. Chad Wingard
7. Nick Haynes
8. Billy Longer
9. Adam Tomlinson
10. Liam Sumner

2012:
5. Jake Stringer
6. Jack Macrae
7. Ollie Wines
8. Sam Mayes
9. Nick Vlaustuin
10. Joe Daniher

2013:
5. Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Matthew Scharenberg
7. James Aish
8. Luke Mcdonald
9. Christian Salem
10. Nathan Freeman

2014:
5. Jordan De Goey
6. Caleb Marchbank
7. Paul Ahern
8. Peter Wright
9. Darcy Moore
10. Nakia Cockatoo

2015:
5. Darcy Parish
6. Aaron Francis
7. Jacob Hopper
8. Callum Ah Chee
9. Sam Weideman
10. Harry McKay

2016.
5. Will Setterfield
6. Sam Petrevski-Seton
7. Jack Scrimshaw
8. Griffin Logue
9. Will Brodie
10. Jack Bowes

2017:
5. Adam Cerra
6. Jaidyn Stephenson
7. Hunter Clark
8. Nick Coffield
9. Aaron Naughton
10. Lochie O'Brien

Now, of those players listed above - I would take the following above Saad:
9. Dion Prestia, 6. Jack Macrae, 9. Darcy Moore, 10. Harry McKay

And, rate the following as similar in ability/future ability:
8. Dyson Heppell, 7. Ollie Wines,7. Nick Haynes, 7. Jacob Hopper, 5. Adam Cerra, 9. Aaron Naughton

So, is pick 8 really that big of a price to pay for a consistent, dashing and daring half-back that has been on the fringe of AA selection the past 3-4 years? He's a jet. I assume we'd all happily trade Lachie O'Brien in a straight swap for Saad? Or, SPS?

I rate him, I assume we all rate him hence why we are so excited. So what if we lose pick 8. The draft outside the top 3 is a lottery in many respects.
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This was not a fun post to read on the app. Legitimately took me 10 minutes to scroll through it! Haha.

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skadoosh said:
Who's been traded recently for the value of pick 5-10 and how do they stack up against Saad?
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Jake Lever (1x AA) went for two top 10 picks and some pick swaps.
Bryce Gibbs went for two first rounders. (10,16)
An unproven Charlie Cameron went for pick 12.
Lachie Weller went for pick 2.
An injured Jaeger O'Meara went for Pick 10 + future 2nd.

I'd say Saad was/is more proven than all of these players at the time of trading. Probably bar Bryce Gibbs. O'Meara and Lever were both carrying serious injuries when they moved across too.
 
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