Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

[Blue and Blue]

I agree with all of that. My problem is that this trade seems to be directed at the rest of the AFL community in terms of messaging rather than at us.

Say, you're the CEO of the Blues; good on you, for starters! You have this situation, you have what you think will play out, you have the ongoing process of getting there. You have a series of choices you need to make; are you open or closed in terms of the flow of information to and from the club to the fans or the press? Are you going to insist on a hardline stance from your list management, or are you staying well out and letting them run the show? What are you going to do, and how are you going to react to what happens as it happens?

I'd argue that there are two problems with how we've ran this thing; one, we've operated with extreme silence (which I approve of, if our stance is going to be hardline rather than open) and we've virtually ignored the media unless we've had something official to report. On the other hand, we've been accomadating towards other clubs, up to facilitating their own trades with our picks. The latter stance is understandable only if you inform your supporters of it!!!

By doing this, we've been hardened against Essendon by their own policy of feeding the media their narrative, and this has in term hardened our expectations. They had little to no leverage, outside of the AFL proceeding to gift them a pick immediately in front of ours undermining our ability to split the pick. And I reiterate: he was out of contract, they'd bitched about him to the press, and he'd flagged his intention to be perfectly okay going to the PSD.

I hate messaging, the notion of creating your own narrative concerning situations. But this is an example of allowing the other club to shape your messaging and letting that mislead your fanbase. That's a problem.

As always you write terrific well thought posts. I applaud you for that.

But I think that is a lot of unneccessary over complication.
End of the day its a footy club and we are a better footy club than we were two weeks ago.
It doesnt get much simpler and when the games are played none of the politics or semantics or the sideshow between seasons will matter.
Especially not to the the vast majority that follow the club.

As to the Saad deal itself I thought it was going to be psd or pay more than we may have wanted all along and no in between and its turned out that way. Also this way we didnt have to offer a ridiculous inflated contract.

 

[Bostonian]

Look at this poxy deal compared to the Touhy deal. We gave up a far better first round pick and got less back than Geelong did for their end of round 1st rounder.


The Blues have sent Tuohy and a future second-round draft pick to Geelong in exchange for Smedts, a future first-round pick and this year’s fourth-round selection (currently pick 63).

Geelong got Touhy AND a future second back from for a late round first round pick and some utter trash player worth nothing.

 

[Number17]

Andrew McLeod

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was a half-back wasn't he?

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in his prime would of been a top 10 pick if he was ever traded.

Andy McLeod .... smoothest mover I’ve ever seen on a footy field.

Hated Crows, but still loved watching him.
Did run through the middle regularly, but YES essentially a HBFer. JET!!


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[Opine]

I suggest everyone take a couple of hours to get out all the emotions of the Saad rollercoaster.
Then look at the trade period in totality. We’ve given up pick 8 and slipped from 30 to 38 and brought in Williams, Saad and Fogarty.
We’ve kept all trade capital for 2021. Brought in 2 AA potential players and a kid whose played a solid role in a grand final team.
Have options to bring in a class player next year where we will have the capital to get the deal done.
One can be disappointed with an individual trade for a little while. But it’s important to remember we’ve drastically improved our list for a lot less than it should of cost. Now that it’s done, let’s get excited by what Saad will bring, not disappointed by having to deal with Dodo.
For what it’s worth, look at what the bombers are losing to bring in the players they are targeting. It’s a lot more than a first rounder and a second round downgrade.

Yeah Nah

 

[new_blue]

Maybe should go in the unpopular thread...

I’d prefer see Fogarty in our Round1 team than Murphy.

 

[Bluebag13]

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was a half-back wasn't he?

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in his prime would of been a top 10 pick if he was ever traded.

You could add docherty before his knee injuries

 

[ShanDog]

I really don't get the angst. Perhaps people are incapable of seeing the bigger, far more important picture?

Did we improve our list this off-season? Absolutely. And significantly so.
Have we caused any concern with what we traded out? No. It's a severely compromised year for the draft, and we don't require more 18 year old kids right now.
Is our salary cap now an issue? As far as we can tell, no. We'll have to wait and see, but there's been plenty of hints about how far under we were. As long as we can continue to sign and keep our established players, it's all good.
Has there been any reputational damage of any kind? The media have stunk the place up, but they aren't the ones we need to have good relationships with when trading players at the end of each year, so **** them. Carlton are a team you can deal with, and therefore a place that players won't be put off from being attracted to in the future.

SO, what is there to be upset about? This is a successful trade period so far.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Still feel like there’s something left in the tank for us
Why would we push two trades through now with still a day and a half to go?
If we had no other plans then we should of taken saad until 7pm Tommoz night imo

 

[reubsblues]

I'm just answering your question CFC_#17 ...

' Name the last Half back flank worth pick 13-14? '

Name the last premiership we won with all the first round picks we've had

 

[HARKER]

Splitting the pick with * also holding 6 and 7 was always going to be hard work. The 7 for Daniher was the death blow.

If our 8 ends up at 10 or 11, in a soft draft, I can live with that.

Our pick #8 will always attain what will be seen to be the 8th best live player available.
No point taking in account JUH, Campbell etc.

Essendon do have picks 6,7 & 8 and can only be measured by what went out against what came in.
If we employ the same scale upon oursleves, you'd think that we did OK with the pick #8, plus a bit....and we didn't lose a player we didn't want to.

The other thing with Essendon is that regardless of which pick they take to the draft, the 'Big available 5' are likely not to be there; Thilthorpe, McDonald, Phillps, DGB and Hollands -

EDIT: Now - What will SOS have to say about the deal, later?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Are you embarrassed HBF? I'm not. We held tough for a week only to give them exactly what they wanted. What was the point?

Im kind of a foot in both camps. Some of the melts are embarrassing but I also think what was the point of all that? Could have been done days ago.

Personally, I would have split the pick. Dodo cant ask for something we didnt have anymore.

Absolutely stoked with William, Saad and Fogarty.

 

[Gobaggers2]

I really don't get the angst. Perhaps people are incapable of seeing the bigger, far more important picture?

Did we improve our list this off-season? Absolutely. And significantly so.
Have we caused any concern with what we traded out? No. It's a severely compromised year for the draft, and we don't require more 18 year old kids right now.
Is our salary cap now an issue? As far as we can tell, no. We'll have to wait and see, but there's been plenty of hints about how far under we were. As long as we can continue to sign and keep our established players, it's all good.
Has there been any reputational damage of any kind? The media have stunk the place up, but they aren't the ones we need to have good relationships with when trading players at the end of each year, so fu** them. Carlton are a team you can deal with, and therefore a place that players won't be put off from being attracted to in the future.

SO, what is there to be upset about? This is a successful trade period so far.

Stop it! Far too much calm and reason.


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[Bostonian]

Our pick #8 will always attain what will be seen to be the 8th live player available.
No point taking in account JUH etc.

100% this.

All this pushing picks back line is a nothing line. Totally irrelevant as you pointed out.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Saad trade is a loss.

Fogarty trade is even.

Williams as fa is a win.

So, we didn't win a trade this year. I guess Williams coming in for nothing makes up for it.

We will need to make some bold moves next year...

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

This might not bode well for us in future at all...

Look at GC giving up *2 for Weller...

Tried to change their presence when dealing with us over Martin... didn't happen...

now they're reduced to letting go of a 24 yr old KPF for a 4th rounder whilst also paying for him to play against them.

Imagine what Melbourne are going to ask for Oliver... and even more scary... imagine what we'll end up giving them...

What did you expect him to go for? Was superceded in the team very quickly by a 1st year player. 2MP isnt very good.

 

[DangerousD]

A little disappointed in the Saad deal, nit for giving up pick 8 but for what we got back, 48 is disappointing considering there was no way * were walking away the trade if we stuck to our guns on wanting a 2nd rounder, * needed pick 8 to get other deals done and I feel Dodo has held out with Port as to not have to part with their 2nd rounder.

We could have waited and made them stress, they would have traded Fantasia and passed the pick on to us, I feel we have been outplayed a little here.

Im quite happy with the Fogarty deal on the flip side, I hope there is more to our trade period to even things out a bit.

 

[KnobHead]

Looks like there’s a lot of posters here wanting to apply for Austin’s role.

Whoever gets it, will you post live during trade period?


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[sweethoney]

Saad trade is a loss.

Fogarty trade is even.

Williams as fa is a win.

So, we didn't win a trade this year. I guess Williams coming in for nothing makes up for it.

We will need to make some bold moves next year...

Watching Saad take 4 bounces threw the middle of the g hitting McKay laces out time and time again know one will even care about pick 8

 

[johnchef]

Pick 8 "overpaying aside", this is an A-grade offseason for our football club.

Two established talents and an unknown in Fogarty, yet have added pace across every line while keeping the players in tact on our list currently (for now).

Depth has been an issue for us for so long. Not anymore. Got luck to the selection committee each week next season.

On the current crop, can any ITK shed some light on whether there's a possibility that an O'Brien or Dow may still be moved this trade period considering upcoming list size cuts? Looking at our overall list now and... it's tight to make the presumed number of 38?

 

[Franc de Borges]

Name the last Half back flank worth pick 13-14?

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[kingkingston]

People forget how far pick 8 might drop, it is already at pick 9 because the Bulldogs will need to jump up to grab Ugle-Hagan

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Then look at the trade period in totality. We’ve given up pick 8 and slipped from 30 to 38 and brought in Williams, Saad and Fogarty.

This by 1000%....what a brilliant windfall

AND we have a full hand in the 2021 ND to trade/draft.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

What did you expect him to go for? Was superceded in the team very quickly by a 1st year player. 2MP isnt very good.

If he's worth a 4th rounder fine, but to pay part of his salary as well? That drops him down to pretty much nothing despite being contracted for 2 more years.

Surely he's not worthless?

 

[Gavstar]

What did you expect him to go for? Was superceded in the team very quickly by a 1st year player. 2MP isnt very good.

I think it makes sense to exit all their 2nd tier overpaid players ASAP to make sure they can pay enough for their A graders to stay.

 

[blueblooded]

I don't understand how anyone can be upset with this - Saad, Fogarty and Williams in for pick 8 (will be pick 10 minimum on draft night) and a pick downgrade.
3 players that add speed and class to the team, especially Saad and Williams who are both jets.

Last pick 10 we had was Lochie O'Brien

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. just saying.

I'd trade Lochie O'Brien

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for Saad in a straight swap let alone turning him into another player.
Pick 10 in this draft hasn't even played footy for a year most likely.

Perspective people. Let Dodo have a mini win he's got more problems to worry about - he's probably going to get reamed to get Dunkley in the door when he needs to go to the draft with those 3 picks as he's got hardly any key position players coming through.

Doesn't look like we'll lose anyone either at this stage and with the 3 draft picks we need to take to the draft should see the end of Polson types as well.

Apart from Charlie's injury not sure how every single supporter can't be pumped with seeing us run out next year with these new additions and more development.

What I love about these inclusions most - Williamson goes to the wing and SPS goes back to the middle or HFF! Get Newman back into the backline with Saad and Doc. Williams can be cover for HBF if necessary. Williamson and Samo in more damaging and natural positions for them. Big win. To have Jack Martin

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, Williamson, SPS, Cunningham types forward of centre with Saad, Doc, Williams, Newman available behind the ball is unreal. If only we could get Charlie up and running I don't see many teams being able to handle us in the next few years. Add Kemp as well and we have a lot to work with.