Bluemour Melting Pot XXVIII

[Elmer_Hauser]

Graham Wright (Collingwood GM of Football) and Clarko don’t like each other - potentially rules clarko out of collingwood

Collingwood want a younger coach so try to get Sam Mitchell.
Sam Mitchell goes back to Hawthorn and puts it on them to be senior coach.

Clarko then becomes available to come to Carlton.

bang

No thanks.

Teague will still be coaching us next year if you Actual read through the club's statements on the review.

Besides there is mounting evidence that The Angry Midget and his style of coaching has well reached its use by date.

We won't be much better off under Clarkson than we were with Pagan or Malthouse.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

No thanks.

Teague will still be coaching us next year if you Actual read through the club's statements on the review.

Besides there is mounting evidence that The Angry Midget and his style of coaching has well reached its use by date.

We won't be much better off under Clarkson than we were with Pagan or Malthouse.

So Teaguey's got the full support of the board?

 

[Stamos]

Teague will still be coaching us next year if you Actual read through the club's statements on the review.

lol

 

[Coops93]

Don't take those statements seriously. Has any club, ever, said it's unlikely or questionable that the coach will still be around while they're contracted?

There's even a jokey truism in that any coach that "has the full support of the board" is as good as gone.

There's no way the club would openly doubt the coaches position and make them a lame duck. What does that do to the playing groups view of the coach? The fans/media already are putting pressure on him, let alone with the higher ups and the club doing the same and then bringing more doubt to the playing group by making such a statement.

Their support and reassurances mean absolutely nothing.

 

[Gethelred]

I don't think he's an introvert but I also don't think he's an alpha presence. When Teague walks into the room I don't think he's the type to command respect.

An alpha assistant would be pretty bad for him imo. Someone like Voss or Buckley being his assistant would result in a fair amount of toe stepping imo, but I don't think Teague would see it as a problem. He'd suggest that allowing that person to coach their way is important and he doesn't care if it cuts him off a bit. Obviously that isn't a good thing.

Hypothetically, let's say Voss - a Brownlow medallist, triple premiership play, one of the most alpha men in football - is made an assistant. After 6 months do you think the players would be responding to Voss or Teague more? They should listen to Teague, but in the battle of personalities Voss would dominate.

I think this is pseudoscientific bullshit of the highest degree.

'Alpha'. ****ing really? We're going there?

 

[The Bighouse]

Graham Wright (Collingwood GM of Football) and Clarko don’t like each other - potentially rules clarko out of collingwood

Geez, how to dislike someone & still be successful. Quite the formula.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I think this is pseudoscientific bullshit of the highest degree.

'Alpha'. ******* really? We're going there?

Yep absolute horse shit. Toughest people who've commanded the most respect I've come across are majority introverted away from their profession.

Imagine following a Bruce Doull into battle or and extrovert like Boekhorst, Watts, Bootsma, Lamb, blah blah blah.

You want tough lead by example no ****ing around types as leaders. Not ass holes who spend all their time 'peacocking'.

I still don't even know how it really relates to introverts vs extroverts. Annoys me that introverted is generally thrown around here as a negative trait, its not and isn't. Having a red hot crack, effort, crunching tackles, leading by example, working harder than everyone else and getting around your team mates after they've done something positive has nothing to do with introvert vs extrovert.

 

[Pixelshooter]

I think this is pseudoscientific bullshit of the highest degree.

'Alpha'. ******* really? We're going there?

Not sure about the terminology, but I think the sentiment is pretty well spot on. As if someone like Voss, Leppitch or Buckley would want to serve as an Assistant to Teague...wishful thinking of the highest magnitude I would have thought.

 

[Gethelred]

Not sure about the terminology, but I think the sentiment is pretty well spot on. As if someone like Voss, Leppitch or Buckley would want to serve as an Assistant to Teague...wishful thinking of the highest magnitude I would have thought.

I think humans of all stripes and personalities and creeds and hair colour and eye colour and languages have worked together since the beginning of time, and will continue to do so until humans don't exist anymore. I think that there was a time when Genghis Khan had men who could and would've looked down on him as whatever their cultural equivalent of 'not Alpha' was.

Teague and each of those blokes can and could work together, in any structure or hierarchy, or whatever. This is stupid.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

bolts got sacked a week or 2 after being publicly backed if im not mistaken

 

[lilJeffyG]

Maybe MLG and Sayers duelling with feather dusters from 50 metres?

Yes .and both missed the target.

 

[Magruder]

bolts got sacked a week or 2 after being publicly backed if im not mistaken

Teague is in some peril I reckon.

I remember thinking after the doggies loss that the eight subsequent games might determine his coaching future. Breaking even was probably the minimum.instead we’ve had a spluttering win against a pretty poor Hawthorn, never looked likely against a Melbourne side that was actually quite vulnerable on the day, and dropped two winnable games in the last fortnight. Game plan seems unsustainable and the playing group seem to be dispirited and lack resilience.

If we have a possible replacement lined up and keen, whether that’s Leppitsch, Voss, Lyon; the change could happen quite quickly.

We have a couple of chaps who We need to sign contracts and a few acquisition targets i’d Imagine.

Stability, (the right kind), optimism and confidence in the coaching staff are necessary or I wouldn’t blame some of our blokes for exploring options.

 

[Dramoth]

I don't think he's an introvert but I also don't think he's an alpha presence. When Teague walks into the room I don't think he's the type to command respect.

An alpha assistant would be pretty bad for him imo. Someone like Voss or Buckley being his assistant would result in a fair amount of toe stepping imo, but I don't think Teague would see it as a problem. He'd suggest that allowing that person to coach their way is important and he doesn't care if it cuts him off a bit. Obviously that isn't a good thing.

Hypothetically, let's say Voss - a Brownlow medallist, triple premiership play, one of the most alpha men in football - is made an assistant. After 6 months do you think the players would be responding to Voss or Teague more? They should listen to Teague, but in the battle of personalities Voss would dominate.

You do know that the author of that original report on Alpha males has released another more uniform report that completely reverses his original report? The later report, the more factual report on male behaviour is actually based on male wolves in the wild rather than the original he did based on wild wolves in captivity.

Wolves in captivity tend to be more frightened and aggressive. A larger stronger male will be more dominant just because it’s larger and stronger than the rest of them. That’s what he based his original report on. Unfortunately, humans read the original report and thought that was what an alpha male is supposed to act like. Take what he wants, do what he wants, be aggressive. But it’s all bullshit. That’s the behaviour of bullies or creatures that are afraid and uncertain.

What the guy found when he went out into the wild, expecting to see the same sort of behaviour from dominant males in wolf packs in the wild. He actually found the complete opposite. While the males were more aggressive, it wasn’t aimed at taking what they wanted. The aggression was more controlled and directed to keeping order in the pack and towards protecting the pack. The “in the wild“ Alpha was both protective and supportive.

So, which definition of alpha are you putting Voss into?

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Got a funny feeling that Teague will resign in the next 2 weeks… no info on it but I just can’t see him answering any questions at a post game after what’s happened in the last few days.

 

[Coops93]

I think this is pseudoscientific bullshit of the highest degree.

'Alpha'. ******* really? We're going there?

Disagree if you like but I think it matters.

 

[Pinnell]

If it Lyon; he can bring Fyfe with him

 

[Coops93]

You do know that the author of that original report on Alpha males has released another more uniform report that completely reverses his original report? The later report, the more factual report on male behaviour is actually based on male wolves in the wild rather than the original he did based on wild wolves in captivity.

Wolves in captivity tend to be more frightened and aggressive. A larger stronger male will be more dominant just because it’s larger and stronger than the rest of them. That’s what he based his original report on. Unfortunately, humans read the original report and thought that was what an alpha male is supposed to act like. Take what he wants, do what he wants, be aggressive. But it’s all bullshit. That’s the behaviour of bullies or creatures that are afraid and uncertain.

What the guy found when he went out into the wild, expecting to see the same sort of behaviour from dominant males in wolf packs in the wild. He actually found the complete opposite. While the males were more aggressive, it wasn’t aimed at taking what they wanted. The aggression was more controlled and directed to keeping order in the pack and towards protecting the pack. The “in the wild“ Alpha was both protective and supportive.

So, which definition of alpha are you putting Voss into?

I wouldn't read too much into my use of the word. I was using it for convenience to describe a strong personality that commands respect. That personality being supported by his on field triumphs could be someone players would look up to naturally.

Based on what you've said that second example is the definition I'd consider closer to what I was thinking. I've never read those stories but that's certainly closer to my beliefs as to what an alpha would be.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Got a funny feeling that Teague will resign in the next 2 weeks… no info on it but I just can’t see him answering any questions at a post game after what’s happened in the last few days.

Lol. Fans like you seriously underestimate David Teague and his mental strength and emotional maturity.

He is far far stronger than what he appears to be.

As someone who flies off the handle every time I misplace my wallet, I envy Teague and his extraordinary stoicism and self-restraint in The coaching box. It is not sign of a weakness, quite the opposite in fact.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Lol. Fans like you seriously underestimate David Teague and his mental strength and emotional maturity.

He is far far stronger than what he appears to be.

As someone who flies off the handle every time I misplace my wallet, I envy Teague and his extraordinary stoicism and self-restraint in The coaching box. It is not sign of a weakness, quite the opposite in fact.

I love the sentiment mate, I just worry for the bloke to be honest.

 

[bmaurizio]

Yeah stoicism and self -restraint are fine for the executive branch, but for the multi- faceted role of a coach these days ,charisma , personality are needed too.
Inter reaction with media and supporters is important .
The main issue is team performance, moral & wining games.
David seems a great bloke , but not sure how permanent he’s tenure will be.
If the current losing streak continues unabated into the 2nd half of the season, he’ll most certainly be gone.

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Yep, loads of it!

people making up sh*t

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[katmanblue]

Clarko laughs due to our treatment of Bolton and tells us to get stuffed.

Oh to be reunited with the Russell that got away.

 

[katmanblue]

I think this is pseudoscientific bullshit of the highest degree.

'Alpha'. ******* really? We're going there?

David Mech, who introduced the concept of the alpha wolf, spent the rest of his career trying get people to forget about it. Debunked but still believed.

 

[bmaurizio]

Russell coming over to us may have been a prerequisite for Clarkson to even consider a move, so perhaps laying down the foundations began a while back.
The media will speculate continuously.

 

[katmanblue]

You do know that the author of that original report on Alpha males has released another more uniform report that completely reverses his original report? The later report, the more factual report on male behaviour is actually based on male wolves in the wild rather than the original he did based on wild wolves in captivity.

Wolves in captivity tend to be more frightened and aggressive. A larger stronger male will be more dominant just because it’s larger and stronger than the rest of them. That’s what he based his original report on. Unfortunately, humans read the original report and thought that was what an alpha male is supposed to act like. Take what he wants, do what he wants, be aggressive. But it’s all bullshit. That’s the behaviour of bullies or creatures that are afraid and uncertain.

What the guy found when he went out into the wild, expecting to see the same sort of behaviour from dominant males in wolf packs in the wild. He actually found the complete opposite. While the males were more aggressive, it wasn’t aimed at taking what they wanted. The aggression was more controlled and directed to keeping order in the pack and towards protecting the pack. The “in the wild“ Alpha was both protective and supportive.

So, which definition of alpha are you putting Voss into?

Your reply much more detailed than mine.