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[Blue__Balls]

A 2nd rounder is still not his trade value even with those factors considered.

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Lovely opinion you have there, I disagree

 

[Blue and Silver]

Pretty sure we traded 26 and 28 to Sydney for pick 13. We then traded 13 and McAdam for McGovern and a future pick

Three way trade.

We never held 13

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[Lovers]

Cerra is Cerra, but pick 6 could be anything.. it could even be a Cerra! You know how much we need one of those!

Pick 6 it is.

agreed, pick 6 could get us cerra from freo, or a cerra equivalent that is 3 years behind the freo cerra and we kill through poor development, or heaven forbid an SPS....pick 6 and steak knives for cerra is an easy call to make

 

[james95]

Francis is underrated and could become better than Cerra
Wingard was seen as Jesus at the same age as Cerra
Stephenson was not only in the same draft but also won Rising Star. Was discarded by Pies due to Salary Cap. He has shown his quality I would not say he is any worse or better than Cerra.

Cerra is in talk with this group in terms of quality.

If we compare him to say Pick 4, we start talking Bomtempelli, Oliver, Max King territory. If he gets to that Level, awesome! Do I think he will? Not from what he has shown to date. That is what we're saying when we add 2nd rnd pick to Pick 6.

He is pretty much the Value Pick 5 to Pick 7. We have exact currency.

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Francis is underrated and could become better than Cerra
Wingard was seen as Jesus at the same age as Cerra
Stephenson was not only in the same draft but also won Rising Star. Was discarded by Pies due to Salary Cap. He has shown his quality I would not say he is any worse or better than Cerra.

Cerra is in talk with this group in terms of quality.

If we compare him to say Pick 4, we start talking Bomtempelli, Oliver, Max King territory. If he gets to that Level, awesome! Do I think he will? Not from what he has shown to date. That is what we're saying when we add 2nd rnd pick to Pick 6.

He is pretty much the Value Pick 5 to Pick 7. We have exact currency.

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Your argument is so flawed it's not even funny. You can't compare a player to other players taken with the identical pick we are trading for him and use it as a justifiable method of determining value.

Firstly, Francis is not underrated, he is terrible, a sook and needs to go home and will be considered a complete bust by the end of his career.

There are plenty of players taken in the last 10 years with picks 1-5 that Cerra is already a better player than and has the capacity to be much better than still. On the other hand there are players that have been taken outside pick 10 even in the 3rd and 4th round or rookie drafts that are and likely will continue to be better players than Cerra.

Pick 40 over the last 10 years has produced Luke Parker and Tom Stewart, both in my opinion better players than Cerra, many more accolades and likely to finish their careers with more accolades eg: a second place in the Brownlow for Parker and both All Australians, Stewart with three in his first five seasons. So with your logic you could argue that Cerra is worth roughly pick 40 due to the players that have been taken there before.

You mention the fact that Stephenson won the rising star in their year, did you even realise that Andrew Brayshaw whom I'd be taking ahead of basically that entire draft class couldn't even get a nomination? There's also been plenty of failed Rising Star winners in the past so in my opinion the award doesn't have a hell of a lot of credibility.

In reality he's a highly talented 21 year old with multiple high best and fairest placings, increased his numbers every season he's played, dual AFL 22 Under 22 player. I have no doubt in the last month of the season once Freo knew he was gone he got given a bit more free roam in the middle hence picking up some 30 possession games and showing a bit more of what he can do.

He is well worth pick 6 (or 8 depending how you look at it) and probably a current or most likely future 3rd round selection while uncontracted, closer to 6 and a late first, very early second if he was under contract.
If he was on our list for 4 years and developed the way he had then called for a trade home, all of you here would be livid at only receiving pick 6

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

The media is running with 6+25 and us getting pick 50 for sps, normally I'd not believe them but they did the same last year with us giving up 8 for Saad and we did.

Not much faith in us not to overpay right now.

Gee, I'd keep SPS if that's all we get.

Maybe VTB (Voss da Boss) can convince him to stay....

 

[CJMB]

We gave up 13 + McAdam for McGovern

Was a 3 way trade.

Carlton
Gains: Mitch McGovern, Adelaide’s 2019 third-round pick
Loses: Pick 26, Pick 28, Shane McAdam*, 2019 fifth-round pick (to Adelaide)

Sydney
Gains: Pick 26, Pick 28, Pick 40
Loses: Pick 13

Adelaide
Gains: Pick 13, Shane McAdam, Carlton’s 2019 fifth-round pick
Loses: Mitch McGovern, Pick 40, 2019 third-round pick (to Carlton)

*McAdam was that 'access selection' faux priority pick thing where we never had him but could trade him to another club.

Wasn't lever AA with Adelaide or did he only make the squad?

Made the squad in '17 alongside Betts, Crouch, Jacobs, Laird, Lever, Lynch, Sloane & Walker. First AA jacket was this year.

 

[Skull Face]

We never had 13, Skull.

You could make a case that we could have done the deal with Sydney that Adelaide went on to do. Maybe. But the trade we did was for two second round picks.

It was a 3 way trade, Adelaide weren't agreeing until Sydney joined the trade. Kidding ourselves pretending we didn't give up that pick, Sydney traded it for our picks

 

[BigFrizz36]

The media is running with 6+25 and us getting pick 50 for sps, normally I'd not believe them but they did the same last year with us giving up 8 for Saad and we did.

Not much faith in us not to overpay right now.

We actually paid 10 (after academy and f/s ) for Saad and got back a third rounder which we parlayed into Durdin. We knew it would be 10 prior to the trade just as we know this years 6 will be 8 with Daicos and Darcy.

Hopefully if there are extras required we can make it from next year's.

 

[DangerousD]

Francis, Wingard (already traded) and Stephenson (already traded) are not even in the discussion of being better players than a 21 year old averaging over 23 possessions per game and who finished 3rd in the b&f as a 20 year old.

McAsey is a wait and see as its too early.

6 out of 10 hey.

I got all seven numbers in powerball last night provided I can judge that 17 should have been 16, some of the other numbers were clearly not as good as the numbers I had etc.

I think you’re really underrating Stephenson here, same draft, averaged just over 19 disposals a game this year, same amount of tackles as Cerra, Stephenson however already has 93 goals to his name, Cerra has 16.

Both would be fantastic for us and I still can’t believe the lack of interest in him from our end, he’s a really good player.

 

[Skull Face]

Was a 3 way trade.

Carlton
Gains: Mitch McGovern, Adelaide’s 2019 third-round pick
Loses: Pick 26, Pick 28, Shane McAdam*, 2019 fifth-round pick (to Adelaide)

Sydney
Gains: Pick 26, Pick 28, Pick 40
Loses: Pick 13

Adelaide
Gains: Pick 13, Shane McAdam, Carlton’s 2019 fifth-round pick
Loses: Mitch McGovern, Pick 40, 2019 third-round pick (to Carlton)

*McAdam was that 'access selection' faux priority pick thing where we never had him but could trade him to another club.

Made the squad in '17 alongside Betts, Crouch, Jacobs, Laird, Lever, Lynch, Sloane & Walker. First AA jacket was this year.

If you want to pretend we didn't give up pick 13 on a technicality by all means, I call that delusional personally.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It was a 3 way trade, Adelaide weren't agreeing until Sydney joined the trade. Kidding ourselves pretending we didn't give up that pick, Sydney traded it for our picks

And one of Adelaide's.

Again - we didn't have 13, it wasn't ours, Sydney never gave it to us. Maybe we could have scrapped McGovern and just gone to Sydney with an offer of 26, 28 and a later pick for 13, but it seems to me that we were committed to getting Gov, were happy to give up our two seconds for him, and Sydney were able to help facilitate that.

 

[Skull Face]

We actually paid 10 (after academy and f/s ) for Saad and got back a third rounder which we parlayed into Durdin. We knew it would be 10 prior to the trade just as we know this years 6 will be 8 with Daicos and Darcy.

Hopefully if there are extras required we can make it from next year's.

I don't want to be paying extra on top of 6 for cerra, he is about what you expect from a pick in that region Freo doesn't need to win for having him meet an average.

 

[DangerousD]

What 100-200 game players have we got in trading 1st round picks?

McGovern? Nope marchbank? Nope.

Cerra is a young player on the up which means they will want to world for him, he would have to become an AA mid to be worth what is being asked and then it's a break even not a win. Our earliest draft selection afterwards will be in the 60s, means our draft hand will be just delist in 2 years and a waste of time.

Coniglio would be a better option if reports about him being moved on are true, you could get him for a 2nd rounder

Cognilio would be a disaster, huge contract for a player who looked miles off best 22 at the Giants, last year we got Saad, I’m sure he will play over 100, I don’t think we will pay much more than 6 for Cerra, who will play over 150 games for us.

Also, we didn’t give up a 1st for Gov, not sure why he’s on your list.

 

[CJMB]

It was a 3 way trade, Adelaide weren't agreeing until Sydney joined the trade. Kidding ourselves pretending we didn't give up that pick, Sydney traded it for our picks

and Sydney weren't trading that 13 until they also got Adelaide's pick 40 as they wanted the extra draft points

 

[Skull Face]

And one of Adelaide's.

Again - we didn't have 13, it wasn't ours, Sydney never gave it to us. Maybe we could have scrapped McGovern and just gone to Sydney with an offer of 26, 28 and a later pick for 13, but it seems to me that we were committed to getting Gov, were happy to give up our two seconds for him, and Sydney were able to help facilitate that.

Adelaide would have give up pick 40 for McAdam, don't care how you slice it we gave up 13 for McGovern.

 

[Skull Face]

Cognilio would be a disaster, huge contract for a player who looked miles off best 22 at the Giants, last year we got Saad, I’m sure he will play over 100, I don’t think we will pay much more than 6 for Cerra, who will play over 150 games for us.

Also, we didn’t give up a 1st for Gov, not sure why he’s on your list.

So many delusional people pretending we didn't give up a 1st round pick for McGovern, bury your head in the sand for all I care.

 

[DangerousD]

It was a 3 way trade, Adelaide weren't agreeing until Sydney joined the trade. Kidding ourselves pretending we didn't give up that pick, Sydney traded it for our picks

Kidding yourself? We didn’t have that pick, to get that pick, Adelaide had to give up it’s 3rd round selection, pick 40

 

[BigFrizz36]

I think you’re really underrating Stephenson here, same draft, averaged just over 19 disposals a game this year, same amount of tackles as Cerra, Stephenson however already has 93 goals to his name, Cerra has 16.

Both would be fantastic for us and I still can’t believe the lack of interest in him from our end, he’s a really good player.

Stephenson can play but is fairly unprofessional. Betting suspension and currently has a broken hip from a stupid accident that he tried to cover up.

Magpies saw him as expendable and pretty much gave him away (albeit in a crisis of their own making) and there weren't a lot of takers.

Ability wise he isn't far off Cerra but his lack of professionalism marks him down a fair way.

 

[Skull Face]

and Sydney weren't trading that 13 until they also got Adelaide's pick 40 as they wanted the extra draft points

Which we would have got for McAdam, case closed.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I think you’re really underrating Stephenson here, same draft, averaged just over 19 disposals a game this year, same amount of tackles as Cerra, Stephenson however already has 93 goals to his name, Cerra has 16.

Both would be fantastic for us and I still can’t believe the lack of interest in him from our end, he’s a really good player.

Stephenson can play but is fairly unprofessional. Betting suspension and currently has a broken hip from a stupid accident that he tried to cover up.

Magpies saw him as expendable and pretty much gave him away (albeit in a crisis of their own making) and there weren't a lot of takers.

Ability wise he isn't far off Cerra but his lack of professionalism marks him down a fair way

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't want to be paying extra on top of 6 for cerra, he is about what you expect from a pick in that region Freo doesn't need to win for having him meet an average.

I'll agree with you there 100%. 6 (8) should just about get it done. But if we have to shuffle some late picks around a little to seal the deal then so-be-it. Quibbling over a 5-10 spot downgrade of a later pick in a crapshoot draft probably isn't worth the trouble. Suspect we'll also be looking at the likely impacts of academy/father son points matching (ie. Collingwood's picks 36, 39, 41 and 45 will all disappear when matching a Daicos bid), as well as which clubs have picks in the same range as us and the players/types they're likely to target. Entirely possible that a downgrade of 10 spots might only be an actual downgrade of 5 spots and that the player we'd have taken with the earlier pick is still on the board at the later pick.

Squeezing maximum value out of every deal would be great, and the incremental gains may add up over time, but I think it's more important to nail the player acquisition and talent scouting than it is the hardline negotiation at the trade table.

 

[Crippablues]

Lovely opinion you have there, I disagree

Nobody I their right mind would trade a player who was worth 2 1st rounders only 2 years ago for a 2nd rounder. Can dream though

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[DangerousD]

So many delusional people pretending we didn't give up a 1st round pick for McGovern, bury your head in the sand for all I care.

We didn’t

 

[Stamos]

So many delusional people pretending we didn't give up a 1st round pick for McGovern, bury your head in the sand for all I care.

Explain to me which 1st round pick we gave up for McGovern?

We never had #13. We never had #40, which Sydney received for giving up #13.

Are you trying to argue that Adelaide gave up 2 high 3rd round picks for McAdam instead of 1?

 

[Sector 7G]

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199cm....

Gee Woewodin's lad is a dead ringer for his dad!

He would need to be a lot more athletically gifted if he is going to play as a KP/ruck

Assuming we trade out Cerra and bring in Hewitt. We need to recruit a key defender with our second pick and another tall that can ruck with our SPS pick and that will be done. Add Gibbo and Parks to the delisted and shuffle players to the rookie list. McDonald stays on the assumption his back isn't stuffed. Get Boyd to play 2nds with a view to elevating him if he shows something/we have LTI.