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mxett said:
If Clarko was going to come in an introduce that horrendous game plan the Hawks used in the last few years Im glad he's off the north :sick:
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That's the thing. Clarksons's last six years at the Hawks produced ZERO finals wins.

It would have been much funnier to me if he had indeed gone to the Bombers (no offense).

I know you guys are upset at your club and rightly so, the board have screwed up royally, you're in a bad way.

However, at least you aren't stuck with Clarksons for five years on a million dollar contract.

A decent review, a few 'resignations', and you can dust yourselves off in no time. The footy industry moves fast.

Whereas we are now stuck for half a decade with a has-been who failed to win a final in his last six seasons at the Hawks.

Not his final two or three seasons. His last six seasons. It is truly remarkable.
 

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ghostdog said:
In my opinion this is why the right move would have been to sack Rutten, invite new candidates and engage in a thorough process, if they truly wanted Rutten gone.

At least players looking for greener pastures could have had some semblance of confidence in the club and its direction.

FWIW, I really want to see Rutten stay and find success.
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Should have happened months ago if that was the case though, which I think would have been a bit premature, especially when we are into the 2nd year of a rebuild.
 
bennyg12 said:
After Hurls last game I'm cancelling my membership I'm done with these *******s
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Well I guess if big membership numbers are what is keeping a plonker like Campbell in a job it'll probably do a lot of good.
 
mouncey2franklin said:
That's the thing. Clarksons's last six years at the Hawks produced ZERO finals wins.

It would have been much funnier to me if he had indeed gone to the Bombers (no offense).

I know you guys are upset at your club and rightly so, the board have screwed up royally, you're in a bad way.

However, at least you aren't stuck with Clarksons for five years on a million dollar contract.

A decent review, a few 'resignations', and you can dust yourselves off in no time. The footy industry moves fast.

Whereas we are now stuck for half a decade with a has-been who failed to win a final in his last six seasons at the Hawks.

Not his final two or three seasons. His last six seasons. It is truly remarkable.
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I personally don't care that he chose North, so not all are upset with his decision.

All the best, but we have far bigger issues as to who our coach is.
 
Ati Tude said:
I am going to go and get drunk. Is the only thing I can think to do now.
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Already there, but I think my current location might explain my lack of anger over all of this.

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mouncey2franklin said:
That's the thing. Clarksons's last six years at the Hawks produced ZERO finals wins.

It would have been much funnier to me if he had indeed gone to the Bombers (no offense).

I know you guys are upset at your club and rightly so, the board have screwed up royally, you're in a bad way.

However, at least you aren't stuck with Clarksons for five years on a million dollar contract.

A decent review, a few 'resignations', and you can dust yourselves off in no time. The footy industry moves fast.

Whereas we are now stuck for half a decade with a has-been who failed to win a final in his last six seasons at the Hawks.

Not his final two or three seasons. His last six seasons. It is truly remarkable.
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Don’t forget though, you’re conversing here with a fan base who hasn’t seen a finals win in 18 years.

It’s likely we’ll draft some kid this year who was not even born when Essendon last won a final. Think about that. So to many of us, six years sounds like nothing.

And while the six year drought at Hawthorn is a very valid point, I think a combination of the drafting and trading strategy they employed to build those three peat sides and the age of their senior players meant they were always likely to lose a lot of senior experience simultaneously and explains to some extent why their results fell away.

But nonetheless, no - not a lot to recommend his last five or so years at the Hawks.

I’d still be surprised if he doesn’t drive some real improvement though. Flag capable in five years? Hard to know, your list is with all due respect coming from a loooong way back.
 
mouncey2franklin said:
That's the thing. Clarksons's last six years at the Hawks produced ZERO finals wins.

It would have been much funnier to me if he had indeed gone to the Bombers (no offense).

I know you guys are upset at your club and rightly so, the board have screwed up royally, you're in a bad way.

However, at least you aren't stuck with Clarksons for five years on a million dollar contract.

A decent review, a few 'resignations', and you can dust yourselves off in no time. The footy industry moves fast.

Whereas we are now stuck for half a decade with a has-been who failed to win a final in his last six seasons at the Hawks.

Not his final two or three seasons. His last six seasons. It is truly remarkable.
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The thing is as you said we need a decent review and a few "resignations". History of the past decade and a half shows us our club is either uncapable or unwilling to do either. Even if they get the best external review ever, I'd give you even money we'd just bin it.
 
Doss said:
Don’t forget though, you’re conversing here with a fan base who hasn’t seen a finals win in 18 years.

It’s likely we’ll draft some kid this year who was not even born when Essendon last won a final. Think about that. So to many of us, six years sounds like nothing.

And while the six year drought at Hawthorn is a very valid point, I think a combination of the drafting and trading strategy they employed to build those three peat sides and the age of their senior players meant they were always likely to lose a lot of senior experience simultaneously and explains to some extent why their results fell away.

But nonetheless, no - not a lot to recommend his last five or so years at the Hawks.

I’d still be surprised if he doesn’t drive some real improvement though. Flag capable in five years? Hard to know, your list is with all due respect coming from a loooong way back.
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There are also two Top 4 finishes in those post-flag years, and a 2-point QF defeat in '16.

This is after a run of 5 years where finals were heavily contested, the '11 GF was a bee's dick away as was the '12 premiership, and the '15 premiership was won with the extra final played.

This is an obscenely good run and I'll wait for the list of coaches who have matched it in the modern era.
 
Lord Nicholson said:
The club's leadership has already established that it has no faith in Rutten. If the conclusions from the weekend are that they're going to try and patch that up and persist with him in 2023 then their disconnect from reality and practicality is total. You have someone who is potentially not capable, who you have through actions demonstrated you don't think is capable, but you're going to give them a go regardless? Absolute nonsense - terminate him now and be done with it.
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Nice post. I don’t agree with this part from the perspective that I don’t rate those in leadership who are assessing Truck. Get an external review with people who’d know (Dunstall, Balme would be great) and trust their assessment.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Already there, but I think my current location might explain my lack of anger over all of this.

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In London. Same equanimity that a few wines and a lot of distance provides.
 

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Doss said:
Don’t forget though, you’re conversing here with a fan base who hasn’t seen a finals win in 18 years.

It’s likely we’ll draft some kid this year who was not even born when Essendon last won a final. Think about that. So to many of us, six years sounds like nothing.

And while the six year drought at Hawthorn is a very valid point, I think a combination of the drafting and trading strategy they employed to build those three peat sides and the age of their senior players meant they were always likely to lose a lot of senior experience simultaneously and explains to some extent why their results fell away.

But nonetheless, no - not a lot to recommend his last five or so years at the Hawks.

I’d still be surprised if he doesn’t drive some real improvement though. Flag capable in five years? Hard to know, your list is with all due respect coming from a loooong way back.
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i think a big part of the reason we wanted Clarkson id because his influence could have forced change in the back office at Essendon where the the jobs for the boys keep rolling on.

I saw less of a coach in him but more of a shrewd operator type who would force change across the club rather than just on the field.
 
BratPack said:
The thing is as you said we need a decent review and a few "resignations". History of the past decade and a half shows us our club is either uncapable or unwilling to do either. Even if they get the best external review ever, I'd give you even money we'd just bin it.
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At least there would be something the members could hold them accountable over
 
naraku said:
Watson just said he doesn't think XC will stay at the club since he backed Truck and Brasher.

He mentioned the players shredded Barham this morning for how they've handled everything and treated Truck.
Also called this week shambolic and fan's should be appalled.
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He wilk stay unless paid out. A nice fresh multi-year contract worth millions...
 
Caro has picked it like a dirty nose in her article this morning.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I now wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if high profile players request a trade. Look at what this *head has done in the space of one week, how could anybody have any faith there’s a long term vision. They’re isn’t even a week-long vision.

If I’m a valuable player who would be in demand, I’m absolutely thinking about my future. Yes they might be contracted, doesn’t stop them requesting a trade.

I fear for Merrett. He clearly thinks about this stuff. Clubs would be queueing up to take him and his contract on. What possible reason would he want to play for Essendon?
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Well, look on the bright side. At least their managers and their targeted clubs can't quite demand we trade them for absolute peanuts based on mental health again
 
Thought this bit was interesting when discussing Rutten had lost some of the senior players …

Dissection of just how and why a coach loses his players is a fraught exercise but one consistent anti-coach view was that he had not formed the necessary relationships with enough of his players.
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Did the players not like being challenged? Sounds a bit of a cop out to me
 
windyhill said:
The dodoro parts, ******* depressing, not suprised , just ******* depressing.
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The Dods/Sheedy/Harvey pact …sheesh god help us
 
I found out on Thursday night Clarkson was going to North. I did pm a poster who I speak to.
I was disappointed but how could he choose essendon when we were so haphazard in our chase.
i liken it to a bloke going to a woman the night before her wedding and saying marry me my penis is 3 cm longer!
Where we are at.
We need to complete a full independent and thorough review and ACT on the recommendations.
We need to sweep of our board Brasher supporters and Kevin Sheedy needs to go. Sheedys comments on radio highlight two things- senility and the fact that he thinks he is more important than our club.
We clearly have an entitled playing list who are delusional if they think they can make any complaints about the club getting better. If they really cared they would have played with more heart- especially over the last two weeks. Any player who is disgruntled needs to be traded as they are not going to turn this club around. In a metaphoric sense they are cancerous and need to be removed.
We need to remember Rutten cannot coach. He has carried himself with dignity but he has a $400000 pay coming his way to provide solace. I hope the club offers professional help to ensure his mental health remains strong. He absolutely deserves this.
We need to accept the likelihood of any free agents coming to our club look forlorn.
‘we need to go to the draft- recruit more kids and ensure our players are in the same direction or not at the club.
‘We cannot now do knee jerk actions such as give Heppell 2 years because players are unhappy or entertain keeping Rutten to appease players.
‘The process needs to be seen through.
My hope is by December 2022 we have rutten gone, Campbell gone, dodoro gone, Sheedy gone, madden gone, well man gone brasher gone, Harvey gone and a new coach with an explicit game line who doesn’t spew lines like ‘this is not what we stand for’ and proceeds to drop only a 21 year old ruckman after a demoralising 84 point loss.
Always remember with all of this process- Rutten is not the right leader to take us forward
 

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