Club Mgmt. Board of Directors as led by President Dave Barham

[BrunoV]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Just another idiot doubling down on delusion.

 

[yodellinhank]

If the panel recommends Hird and the board choose someone else I'll flip my lid.

 

[DERO]

If the panel recommends Hird and the board choose someone else I'll flip my lid.

The club is like a vault. If that happens it'll never get out so you'll never know!

 

[Duckworth]

Somebody posted ages ago that if this happened and the club lied as to who had been recommended the panel wouldn't be able to say anything due to NDA's. If I was on that panel there is no NDA in the world that would stop me from calling that out.

There are also ways to say things without breaking an NDA. Leaving a long pause etc.

 

[Beerfish]

There are also ways to say things without breaking an NDA. Leaving a long pause etc.

Of course but if someone thinks an NDA means they can say I said something I didn't they are in for quite a shock.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Somebody posted ages ago that if this happened and the club lied as to who had been recommended the panel wouldn't be able to say anything due to NDA's. If I was on that panel there is no NDA in the world that would stop me from calling that out.

Yeah, it's the sort of thing that could ruin the panel members' professional reputation.

There are also ways to say things without breaking an NDA. Leaving a long pause etc.

Off the record conversations with journalists...

 

[boncer34]

I think he's a great leader and the club, the supporters and most importantly the playing group will respond very well if he is appointed.

In terms of his experience he like all second time coaches will come with the benefits and learning from his first go. And all the derogatory comments in the world won't have stopped a very smart man like Hird from coming back bigger and better than the first time around. Undestimate winners like Hird at your peril IMO.

Do you think Hird knew about the drugs program?

 

[CBombers17]

Do you think Hird knew about the drugs program?

I don't buy the hype around the 'drugs program'.

What do you reckon?

 

[jmoo wan]

are we still talking about the drugs program? it was ages ago, i doubt anyone even remembers who was head coach at the time.

 

[Doss]

I don't buy the hype around the 'drugs program'.

What do you reckon?

What do you mean by ‘the hype’?

 

[CBombers17]

What do you mean by ‘the hype’?

I don't believe Hird ordered for 40 of his players to be whacked up with peds either with or without their knowledge.

 

[Doss]

I don't believe Hird ordered for 40 of his players to be whacked up with peds either with or without their knowledge.

I don’t believe he personally ordered a programme he knew to be illegal either.

I do believe he knew Dank was unconventional at best and chose to look past that and that makes him complicit enough by association.

 

[boncer34]

I don't believe Hird ordered for 40 of his players to be whacked up with peds either with or without their knowledge.

So Dank and Robinson ran a program without his knowledge under his nose?

 

[faible]

are we still talking about the drugs program? it was ages ago, i doubt anyone even remembers who was head coach at the time.

Pretty sure it was that ex-Geelong guy that got done for drugs right?

 

[CBombers17]

I don’t believe he personally ordered a programme he knew to be illegal either.

I do believe he knew Dank was unconventional at best and chose to look past that and that makes him complicit enough by association.

Plenty had employed Dank in AFL circles before he got to us and you could argue that in itself could help him pass the smell test for a rookie coach.

Then you add the 'senior' support and guidance the club provided in Bomba and add a lack of governance by a club that's still shit at it to this day - then the lack of evidence they actually took anything banned - and all this adds enough Gray area that the only part that matters for me was did Hird want the players whacked up with banned peds.

There's probably not much point opening up these debates. We all had a pretty good crack when it happened. If people think he shouldn't be coach for Saga reasons I'm not going to argue the point with them either.

 

[Don Won]

AND this discussion is a reminder of what waits for us behind the let’s-hire-Hird door

 

[boncer34]

Plenty had employed Dank in AFL circles before he got to us and you could argue that in itself could help him pass the smell test for a rookie coach.

Then you add the 'senior' support and guidance the club provided in Bomba and add a lack of governance by a club that's still s**t at it to this day - then the lack of evidence they actually took anything banned - and all this adds enough Gray area that the only part that matters for me was did Hird want the players whacked up with banned peds.

There's probably not much point opening up these debates. We all had a pretty good crack when it happened. If people think he shouldn't be coach for Saga reasons I'm not going to argue the point with them either.

Doesn't sound like the club was lead by a great leader tbh.

 

[Pweter]

You'd assume there'd be governance raining down on any program where elite athletes are being injected with a substance, especially new, ground breaking substances. It seems the footy department operated on a large degree of trust rather than dotting every I and crossing every T.

Unfortunately much of that misplaced trust falls squarely on Hird. Other people in the footy department such as Paul Hamilton should've been hauled over the coals way more than they were as I don't think this governance falls squarely at the feet of the head coach but for whatever reasons they weren't. I don't think Hird deliberately broke the rules but by failing to govern such a critical program, he and the club failed.

You can say Hird will have learned his lesson if given another chance but without proving himself since outside of his minimal tenure with GWS I can't see how he can be a serious contender, especially with the hysteria that would surround the appointment, Hird and the club. Any failings on field or off field would be magnified.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Plenty had employed Dank in AFL circles before he got to us and you could argue that in itself could help him pass the smell test for a rookie coach.

Then you add the 'senior' support and guidance the club provided in Bomba and add a lack of governance by a club that's still s**t at it to this day - then the lack of evidence they actually took anything banned - and all this adds enough Gray area that the only part that matters for me was did Hird want the players whacked up with banned peds.

There's probably not much point opening up these debates. We all had a pretty good crack when it happened. If people think he shouldn't be coach for Saga reasons I'm not going to argue the point with them either.

It's remarkable that Bomba doesn't get more of the blame than Hird, given he recommended Robinson and Dank to Hird, had worked with them and was meant to be the senior mentor to help Hird through being a senior coach.

When you then look at what turned out to be Bomba's lifestyle and friends, it's absolutely mind blowing Hird cops most the blame.

 

[boncer34]

It's remarkable that Bomba doesn't get more of the blame than Hird, given he recommended Robinson and Dank to Hird, had worked with them and was meant to be the senior mentor to help Hird through being a senior coach.

When you then look at what turned out to be Bomba's lifestyle and friends, it's absolutely mind blowing Hird cops most the blame.

Comes down to the position.

If we'd won the flag would Bomber get more credit than Hird in your eyes?

 

[CBombers17]

So Dank and Robinson ran a program without his knowledge under his nose?

You must have missed it in my original reply to you where I asked you a question?

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Comes down to the position.

If we'd won the flag would Bomber get more credit than Hird in your eyes?

Given how he'd get the credit for our wins and Hird for our losses at the time, probably.

 

[boncer34]

You must have missed it in my original reply to you where I asked you a question?

I did sorry.

Yes I believe Hird knew about the program.

 

[boncer34]

Given how he'd get the credit for our wins and Hird for our losses at the time, probably.

Fair enough. I never agreed with that philosophy.

 

[CBombers17]

I did sorry.

Yes I believe Hird knew about the program.

Thanks - so do you think Hird wanted players injected with substances they didn't sign off on / consider to be safe and within the rules?

 

[boncer34]

Thanks - so do you think Hird wanted players injected with substances they didn't sign off on / consider to be safe and within the rules?

You first.

So Dank and Robinson ran a program without his knowledge under his nose?