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DERO said:
We underachieved under Sheeds I think. I can't remember the 80's that well but we should have beaten Collingwood in 90 and we should have won in 99 as we were clearly the best side all year those years. I went into the 2001 GF thinking Brisbane might beat us.
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We were pretty unlucky in 1990 with the draw, as we know that Collingwood can't win a GF in September, just our luck to get them in October. Saints learnt that too.
 
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Bunk Moreland said:
Yeah I dunno. They are very ******* hard to win. It feels a bit like the era of Brisbane / Geelong / Hawthorn / Richmond has made people think multiple flags is “par” if you have a good side. Ultimately we won 2 between 93 and 2000 which is very good… 3 would’ve been outstanding.

Though I get what you’re saying. I dunno, I’m on the fence.
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Yep. It is hard to know. Definitely a lot of luck needed to win one.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Yeah I dunno. They are very ******* hard to win. It feels a bit like the era of Brisbane / Geelong / Hawthorn / Richmond has made people think multiple flags is “par” if you have a good side. Ultimately we won 2 between 93 and 2000 which is very good… 3 would’ve been outstanding.

Though I get what you’re saying. I dunno, I’m on the fence.
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Isn't the question - did Sheeds underachieve during his time at Essendon? The answer of course is an emphatic NO.

If only our last ~15 years resembled anything like the period under him...
 

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Godzke said:
Not sure if Sheeds is necessarily against Scott, he just preferred Hird and wanted that to be known.

Unless I've missed something, that doesn't mean Scott is walking around with a target on his back any more than any other club coach would be.
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It's the bolded part that has most of us offside. There's nothing wrong with Sheedy wanting Hird (or anyone else), but as a board member he has a duty to not put his feelings out in to public like he did. If he was in the media or something else, then go nuts, but part of the responsibilities of a board are to present a united front in public and show the dissent and annoyance behind closed doors.
Sheedy could have flipped over tables in the board room, called out everyone's mothers and then phoned Hird in tears to tell him that it wasn't his (Sheedy's) fault and I couldn't give a ****; but air that shit in public as a board member and massive figure at the club? He deserves all the criticism he's getting
 
yodellinhank said:
How many years was Alec Epis on boards trying to undermine Sheeds and have him sacked? If anything, kept Sheeds honest. Scott will be fine.
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Don’t think anyone is questioning whether Scott will be fine. Fact is Sheedy has lost the plot and thinks he can do and say as he pleases and as a board member representing the members you can’t do that. He is clearly divisive and seeking control at all costs, and he doesn’t realise that the fans are fed up, embarrassed by his behaviour and he is past it. Time to go Sheeds…
 
It was widely reported the board was split on Rutten. They didn't come out and say "we voted unanimously to go a different direction". So I'm not sure why it'd be such an issue to say the board picked Scott with one dissenting vote?

I don't need a pretty face to tell me pretty lies. Better that we all know what's really going on, and members of the club can elect the board members they see fit with an understanding of who they're voting for.
 
yodellinhank said:
It was widely reported the board was split on Rutten. They didn't come out and say "we voted unanimously to go a different direction". So I'm not sure why it'd be such an issue to say the board picked Scott with one dissenting vote?

I don't need a pretty face to tell me pretty lies. Better that we all know what's really going on, and members of the club can elect the board members they see fit with an understanding of who they're voting for.
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They didn't say "unanimous" but he took issue with it as if they had. I don't suppose he would've cared if they'd said the decision was approved by the board (with a 4-3 split behind closed doors) so long as it was his man that got the job though.
 
he’s acting like a child who totally wants his BFF Stacie to know, that, like he totally voted for her, not the other bitch, who’s a total cow by the way, and also Brad cheated on his wife with Bethany, who’s a total ****, and used to give handjobs behind the bike shed at AFL house.
 

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Lore said:
They didn't say "unanimous" but he took issue with it as if they had. I don't suppose he would've cared if they'd said the decision was approved by the board (with a 4-3 split behind closed doors) so long as it was his man that got the job though.
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He probably wouldn't. We could spend all day arguing over the things that didn't happen.

People are getting into a flap "Sheeds bad, Dodoro bad" as if that's the magic solution to all our problems, moving them on. People seem to be flip-flopping on Barham whichever way he appears to sit on that.
 
yodellinhank said:
How many years was Alec Epis on boards trying to undermine Sheeds and have him sacked? If anything, kept Sheeds honest. Scott will be fine.
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Interesting. I don’t know anything about him but I found this quote from earlier in the year:

“'Sheeds' and I never got on together, but we do now. I thought he was doing too many talks and nights out when he should be coach of the players. I couldn’t get the support of the committee on that, so him and I didn’t get along. But we do now, we’re really good friends.”

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windyhill said:
Yes, just on the drinking, he was teetotal his whole life until the early 90’s. This was done due to the Hafey influence. KB the same. He would be hard on his teamates when he knew they been on the cans. He was hard on his players where he knew they loved a sip. But that soon changed. You could probably call him hypocritical in his attitude to drinking. He turned the full 360.
Reports of him turning up to training pissed etc.
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Interesting.

I recall Ron Barassi’s biography. He was a non-drinker entirely though his playing career, and maybe coaching career (not certain about the last bit of it with Melbourne) but caught up big time in later life. I’m not certain if this means anything or not, but I often find that people I know who were vehemently teetotal can go hard in the other direction if they cease abstaining. Maybe because their rigid discipline was in part because they recognised that they are susceptible to excess? Certainly I have come across many people who simply can’t maintain your regular social drinker behaviour - its all or nothing.
 
Kong said:
"This is what happens when you bring new people into the club"

That reads so similar to bigots. Just change “club” to “country”.

Adiós, Kevin. It's 2022 and you're no longer needed.
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I disagree with Sheeds behaviour and think he should go. But drawing a link to bigotry is far fetched and a slur. You can make any statement sound any way you like if you change the wording.
 
yodellinhank said:
He probably wouldn't. We could spend all day arguing over the things that didn't happen.

People are getting into a flap "Sheeds bad, Dodoro bad" as if that's the magic solution to all our problems, moving them on. People seem to be flip-flopping on Barham whichever way he appears to sit on that.
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I think people just want a fresh start with a fresh pair of eyes that are looking forward instead of getting caught up reopening old wounds and settling old scores.

It’s not the Southern 80, we don’t need a bloke with his back to the future to tell the driver what’s happening behind him.

Sheedy is firmly in the spotters seat, and Barham started out rearward facing too in the first press conference he did. He at least seems to have been set straight now.

We don’t know where Dodoro sits politically but anyone who has Sheedy in their corner is tarnished by association, and his record isn’t that good that you can necessarily overlook the issues he’s reportedly had with getting on the same page as the coach, GM-Footy, CEO and President at various stages.

I will say one thing though, Dodoro has managed not to go spewing his guts to Robbo every time he disagrees with someone. So there’s that.
 
DERO said:
We underachieved under Sheeds I think. I can't remember the 80's that well but we should have beaten Collingwood in 90 and we should have won in 99 as we were clearly the best side all year those years. I went into the 2001 GF thinking Brisbane might beat us.
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We did under achieve for sure. Should have made the GF in 86 as well but lost the Elimination final.
 
doug85 said:
I disagree with Sheeds behaviour and think he should go. But drawing a link to bigotry is far fetched and a slur. You can make any statement sound any way you like if you change the wording.
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jesus mate - what do you have against Norwegians?
 
mike14 said:
It's the bolded part that has most of us offside. There's nothing wrong with Sheedy wanting Hird (or anyone else), but as a board member he has a duty to not put his feelings out in to public like he did. If he was in the media or something else, then go nuts, but part of the responsibilities of a board are to present a united front in public and show the dissent and annoyance behind closed doors.
Sheedy could have flipped over tables in the board room, called out everyone's mothers and then phoned Hird in tears to tell him that it wasn't his (Sheedy's) fault and I couldn't give a *; but air that s**t in public as a board member and massive figure at the club? He deserves all the criticism he's getting
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Yeah that would be fair, he shouldn't be airing dirty laundry.

But i'm not sure how Sheedy has changed since the day he joined the board. He was always going to be outspoken.
 
yodellinhank said:
How many years was Alec Epis on boards trying to undermine Sheeds and have him sacked? If anything, kept Sheeds honest. Scott will be fine.
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TBF things are pretty different now. Back in Sheeds day (the early days at least) he ran the club.

It’s very different now. Just the football dept is huge. Dozens and dozens and dozens of people. Plus the exec team, and the board…

With so many people around it is easier to sow dissent. People being people and all.

We’ve had this for years. Decades.

Real teamwork is needed and if you’re not all rowing in the one direction, in such a competitive game, you’re not at your best and you can’t have success.

All Sheedy did yesterday was end a signal to anybody who finds they don’t really like Scott. And it’s straight from the top (the board). Cliques form incredibly quickly.

A board member is a club leader and you’ve gotta be so much better than this.

Whether he likes it or not, Scott is the coach and as a senior person at the club he has to get right behind his direction.

If he can’t bring himself to do it then he needs to **** off right now. Which is exactly what the pro-Rutten camp did.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
TBF things are pretty different now. Back in Sheeds day (the early days at least) he ran the club.

It’s very different now. Just the football dept is huge. Dozens and dozens and dozens of people. Plus the exec team, and the board…

With so many people around it is easier to sow dissent. People being people and all.

We’ve had this for years. Decades.

Real teamwork is needed and if you’re not all rowing in the one direction, in such a competitive game, you’re not at your best and you can’t have success.

All Sheedy did yesterday was end a signal to anybody who finds they don’t really like Scott. And it’s straight from the top (the board). Cliques form incredibly quickly.

A board member is a club leader and you’ve gotta be so much better than this.

Whether he likes it or not, Scott is the coach and as a senior person at the club he has to get right behind his direction.

If he can’t bring himself to do it then he needs to * off right now. Which is exactly what the pro-Rutten camp did.
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Better to have it out in the open than hidden behind lies though. Sheedy felt he'd been misrepresented (he probably hadn't), but it's actually good that it's out in the open. Preferable than a board that presents to be on the same page but isn't, hiding behind a façade of "everything is sweet now" when we still have issues.

Sheeds might move on now, if he doesn't we know where things sat on the coaching decision. He might fall back into line on all other issues. If he continues to be a voice of dissent then he probably leaves or forms a rival ticket.

Just as it was important to have a thorough process to select the coach, a difference of opinions isn't necessarily a bad thing if we want a board that considers all its options.
 
Is it time for the club to suddenly realise that as an employee of the club Sheeds is ineligible to sit on the board?
 

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