Bombers 1. accused of asking Mick Gatto to help fix doping mess and 2. covering up Medicare fraud

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Lance Uppercut said:
the court of public opinion is the only court this will ever be heard in. That's why they did it, because they had no other recourse. See my post above. What exactly are you expecting to come from the allegations?
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Maybe some truth.

It's actually all I've ever been interested in.


Still baffles me that Essendon people don't.
 

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Lance Uppercut said:
:D

Yep, ignore what he's precisely said, and justify it by some ridiculous means, and then continue to assume everything he says is truth because it fits your preconceived world view.

What was that I said earlier about watching the cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias? Brilliant!
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No Lance, what I have learnt from this saga is to ignore the 'precision' of what is said for the most part.

Essendon carefully and consistently talking about 'ingesting' and 'illegal' which is pure word play and bullsh1t as none of that had anything to do with the case, Essendon fans lapped it up yay they didn't ingest anything illegal...but what did they inject? and the legality is irrelevant, what was the context and standing with the WADA code.

Now trying to hang a bloke based on a most likely heated personal conversation that he didn't know was being recorded where he may have potentially stumbled over his words, he didn't have the opportunity to sit down with his legal team and draft a speech full of weasle words that were precise. Some bloke mouthing off at a cafe, yet you are only interested in focusing on those precise words and your interpretation of what he was trying to say.

Who knows if some of the claims have a bit of mayo on them, a high probability it is the case...interesting that the claims in relation to having email account wiped, Gatto was involved, senior people using drugs themselves, medicare fraud; these are things that do marry up with stories that were floating around years ago when the story was happening.

So yeah Wally and Elliott wanting a big pay day, as pretty clear that everybody else involved has either been paid to shut-up, they just went about it the wrong way...they may get their due, but the bigger interest is the fact that although the Essendon and AFL want it all to go away, sh1t still stinks and the cover-up is not finished yet.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I think you're a bit confused dude. This was said by Elliot Snr, at daytime (otherwise known as the calm light of day), in a cafe, to Xavier Campbell's face...
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Fair enough, doesn't mean he followed through with the threat to make shit up though. Which was my main point. Saying you can and actually doing it are two different things

Sounds like a classy guy though. Must be the name.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Fair enough, doesn't mean he followed through with the threat to make shit up though. Which was my main point. Saying you can and actually doing it are two different things

Sounds like a classy guy though. Must be the name.
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yes but my point is also that you can't know, and therefore that you can't in any good sense take anything claimed at face value as a result, because you don't know if it's true or it's mud that isn't true
 
Lance Uppercut said:
yes but my point is also that you can't know, and therefore that you can't in any good sense take anything claimed at face value as a result, because you don't know if it's true or it's mud that isn't true
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What happens at The Delicious Afare should stay at The Delicious Afare, unless of course some non-entity deadshit like Xavier Campbell is going Snowden and recording meetings with staffer's parents.

And of course the player's Mum was really Caro ringing up to MAKE THE POOR BOMBERS LOOK BAD.

What a freakin' joke of an organisation.
 
MaddAdam said:
What happens at The Delicious Afare should stay at The Delicious Afare, unless of course some non-entity deadshit like Xavier Campbell is going Snowden and recording meetings with staffer's parents.

And of course the player's Mum was really Caro ringing up to MAKE THE POOR BOMBERS LOOK BAD.

What a freakin' joke of an organisation.
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indeed, they should just submit meekly to being blackmailed by some pissant so that the HTB can run their dumpling sessions without being troubled by pesky doubts about what's being said!
 
MaddAdam said:
What happens at The Delicious Afare should stay at The Delicious Afare, unless of course some non-entity deadshit like Xavier Campbell is going Snowden and recording meetings with staffer's parents.

And of course the player's Mum was really Caro ringing up to MAKE THE POOR BOMBERS LOOK BAD.

What a freakin' joke of an organisation.
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Caro was Sarah then , more BF truth, dont forget fishadancin broke the story months earlier
 
Lance Uppercut said:
indeed, they should just submit meekly to being blackmailed by some pissant so that the HTB can run their dumpling sessions without being troubled by pesky doubts about what's being said!
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"Blackmailed"

LOL.

Jeez.

Not so concerned about being redandblackmailed by one Stephen Dank Esq. who has made it abundantly clear he will go ... as number 7 for my club once rapped ... yappin' to the captain if Essendon dares make a move against him.

Funny that.
 
imperial_oz said:
Apparently there was.

The thing that struck me first was that deleted emails should still be recoverable, if not from the email servers, then surely from the backups. I would anticipate that an organisation of EFC's size and scope, they would use something like Microsoft Exchange Server, which would make recovering deleted emails much easier. Even if they used an external provider, recovering deleted emails should be possible.

Deleting email trails at the server level can be done but its easy to miss stuff. Reliable deletions is not a straightforward business. Even the use of anti-forensic tools is anything but reliable in most situations.

Plus they had access to phones as well.

Making sure you got rid of every trace of emails with that material on would be extremely difficult. I doubt it could be reliably done myself. The big accounting firms do have access to people who can recover these things.

That said, we don't know what email were found as that information has never been published.
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LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!

Essendon drugs story won't end. Failing club should tell the truth. Sad!
 

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MaddAdam said:
What happens at The Delicious Afare should stay at The Delicious Afare, unless of course some non-entity deadshit like Xavier Campbell is going Snowden and recording meetings with staffer's parents.

And of course the player's Mum was really Caro ringing up to MAKE THE POOR BOMBERS LOOK BAD.

What a freakin' joke of an organisation.
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That deadshit Xavier Campbell is clearly a lot smarter then Mr Elliott and come to the meeting far more prepared then the dumb ass thug making threats of extortion. If the tone of Mr Elliott is correct also, you probably wouldn't put physical violence beyond him, but you know 'what happens at The Delicious Afare, should stay at The Delicious Afare'.
 
less than zero said:
Burn :)
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I'm not flattering Essendon dude.

I'm highlighting the AFL's 'trickle down economics' approach to running the game and how they've built up Essendon with hand outs for the past 2 decades.

My point was that the way the AFL prop up the big clubs, means that Essendon missing a season would have hurt the AFL bad in the short term, but they'd have had them back up and running in no time.
 
Falcon27 said:
That deadshit Xavier Campbell is clearly a lot smarter then Mr Elliott and come to the meeting far more prepared then the dumb ass thug making threats of extortion. If the tone of Mr Elliott is correct also, you probably wouldn't put physical violence beyond him, but you know 'what happens at The Delicious Afare, should stay at The Delicious Afare'.
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Except Xavier Campbell is now the one on the front page of the Herald Sun looking like an incompetent stooge who couldn't run a cake stall.
 
MaddAdam said:
LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!

Essendon drugs story won't end. Failing club should tell the truth. Sad!
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Lock them up for a series of yet to be substantiated allegations?

Hey look, I'm all for pitchforks and torches like everybody else (and who doesn't enjoy a good mob scene) but I generally like a little bit of proof before hanging somebody.
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
I'm not flattering Essendon dude.

I'm highlighting the AFL's 'trickle down economics' approach to running the game and how they've built up Essendon with hand outs for the past 2 decades.

My point was that the way the AFL prop up the big clubs, means that Essendon missing a season would have hurt the AFL bad in the short term, but they'd have had them back up and running in no time.
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Makes good economic sense, minnows have proven time and time again why they remain minnows.
 
Falcon27 said:
How so?
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The bit on the front page of the Herald Sun, next to the photo of Mick Gatto, where it says:

"Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell secretly recorded a meeting with Mr Elliott's father in a bizarre coffee shop sting"

Now I'm not media expert like Justin Rodski, but I reckon if you're a professional in Melbourne, being on the front page of the Herald Sun associated with Mick Gattoi and having your actions described as "bizarre" is not a wildly good look.

Lance Uppercut - you don't have to be pissed before lunch to work that one out.
 
Falcon27 said:
Makes good economic sense, minnows have proven time and time again why they remain minnows.
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Like how the Dogs won the flag last year and the mighty Bombers finished last?
 

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