Boomers vs the rest

[Taylor]

Sweet strawman.

Not reflective of reality though. People are saying 'here are some problems, we could probably do something about them' and your response is 'yeah but wars overseas'.

Never change Taylor, like the good little conservative you are.

I actually said that Australia has been really good during my lifetime because we haven't had war or economic depression to deal with and people like you went "what about people who haven't had that thoooouuuggghhh" when literally everyone here has enjoyed those same circumstances in that time.

 

[faible]

It's been paradise

You missed this bit.

Nice that it's been paradise for you, but plenty of people do it tough without wars or major economic depressions.

 

[Taylor]

"Another country trying to kills us". I don't get what that means.

We did have that Bali bombing, I suppose. I can't remember if that was an anti-Australian thing off the top of my head.


I don't know how old you are but we've had a few in mine.

Now: as I said, the "paradise" thing is not uniform for all people. They are not living better than kings of old, not even better than peasants of old, some people.

Poverty, abuse, shorter life spans, have been a fixture in some sections of society at all times during my lifetime. And yours. It's strange that you won't admit it, or think your hot and cold running water is a consolation for someone else dying at 50 of treatable and preventable diseases.

I wouldn't be the one making the case that because diseases can be treatable now that people die from them now, which is a shame, somehow makes now worse than when people still died from them before when they weren't treatable.

I think you're clutching at straws because your world view is built on disliking or potentially feeling guilty that Australia is the best place to live and we are here at the best it's ever been - all because you think the system that brought this best way of life for humanity needs to be discredited so you can rearrange things more how objectively worse places have done in the past.

Australia is the best place in the world to live and there are different experiences for everyone, but you'll find your best chance at having the best life here. Australia is worth protecting.

 

[Taylor]

You missed this bit.

Nice that it's been paradise for you, but plenty of people do it tough without wars or major economic depressions.

And everyone living in war or economically failed states will trade everything they have to swap with people doing it really tough in Australia.

It's why they risk their lives to get here.

 

[faible]

And everyone living in war or economically failed states will trade everything they have to swap with people doing it really tough in Australia.

It's why they risk their lives to get here.

None of which is relevant.

You don't improve things moving forward by doing nothing and claiming it's worse elsewhere.

 

[Chief]

I wouldn't be the one making the case that because diseases can be treatable now that people die from them now, which is a shame, somehow makes now worse than when people still died from them before when they weren't treatable.

Completely missing the point of this as an example of inequality. That not everyone sees or experiences Australia as a paradise.

 

[Taylor]

None of which is relevant.

You don't improve things moving forward by doing nothing and claiming it's worse elsewhere.

And you don't motivate changing the best place on the hope of making it better by ignoring the reality of our standing in the world.

You need to first make sure you take no steps backwards and you need to appreciate exactly what you have in order to do that.

If you are incapable of praising Australia for the paradise it is because some people here don't live at that peak you can't be taken seriously. The whole world would trade places with any of us to live here.

 

[Taylor]

Completely missing the point of this as an example of inequality. That not everyone sees or experiences Australia as a paradise.

They don't, that's true. It doesn't diminish that Australians live in a paradise. You need only compare the opportunity of life here with anywhere else and any other time in human history.

But that would mean you need to defend Australia from people trying to change it.

 

[faible]

And you don't motivate changing the best place on the hope of making it better by ignoring the reality of our standing in the world.

You need to first make sure you take no steps backwards and you need to appreciate exactly what you have in order to do that.

If you are incapable of praising Australia for the paradise it is because some people here don't live at that peak you can't be taken seriously. The whole world would trade places with any of us to live here.

What part of 'housing access and affordability is a huge issue and we need to do something to address it' is going to undermine the paradise of Australia?

You're simply doing that thing where you talk about anything else but the topic in question in order to try to move the discussion so far away from the original topic that you never have to deal with it.

 

[faible]

you need to defend Australia from people trying to change it.

And the Nationalism comes a creepin'

 

[Chief]

It doesn't diminish that Australians live in a paradise.

Not everyone.

And around we go.

 

[Taylor]

What part of 'housing access and affordability is a huge issue and we need to do something to address it' is going to undermine the paradise of Australia?

You're simply doing that thing where you talk about anything else but the topic in question in order to try to move the discussion so far away from the original topic that you never have to deal with it.

I have called Australia a paradise because we haven't had economic depressions or literal war for generations. The rest of it is stuff your people have muddied the waters with in order to discredit the objective truth that Australia is a paradise of human existence, both in the context of all human kind ever and human kind right now.

 

[faible]

your people have muddied the waters with

Who's my people?

What waters have they muddied?

 

[Taylor]

Not everyone.

And around we go.

Unfortunately we are at the point where I say we live in a paradise, comparing Australian standard of living to anywhere else and anytime else and you're disagreeing with that point because some people don't enjoy that.

But hey, we are both right.

 

[Taylor]

Who's my people?

What waters have they muddied?

Anyone who doesn't consider Australia an objective paradise of human existence in the context of all humankind ever and anywhere.

People who compare the poverty that exists here with poverty in other places of the world like they are the same.

People who seek to dismantle the system that produced Australia as we know her today, the peak of human experience.

We could all be starving in a cave. Everyone in the rest of the world would trade it all to be here. Nobody here is rushing to leave.

 

[Chief]

Australian standard of living

You mean the standard of living of you and people like you.

 

[faible]

People who seek to dismantle the system that produced Australia as we know her today, the peak of human experience.

Who are these people?

Do they want to dismantle it or continue to improve upon it in areas that it's lacking or falling behind?

The rest of your post is just nonsense, so I cut it out for you.

 

[Taylor]

You mean the standard of living of you and people like you.

Of Australians, yes. Immigrant Australians more broadly, I'm only a first generation.

People who were so poor when we were young that my parents lived on jam sandwiches and worked so much they weren't able to be home at the same time.

People who were so lucky to live here due to health complications that would have seen my family much smaller if not for that public health system.

I take great offense at your inference that the good fortune I have is based on something other than hard work and the luck to live in this nation.

 

[Taylor]

Who are these people?

Do they want to dismantle it or continue to improve upon it in areas that it's lacking or falling behind?

The rest of your post is just nonsense, so I cut it out for you.

If you don't have an objective respect of the systems and values that brought us to this point, this absolute peak of humanity, then you shouldn't be in discussing which of those systems and values needs to be removed to facilitate what you hope is advancement and growth.

Especially if you don't hold a position of absolute devotion to freedom of individuals and broadly prefer putting people into line via government act.

 

[Chief]

Of Australians, yes. Immigrant Australians more broadly, I'm only a first generation.

People who were so poor when we were young that my parents lived on jam sandwiches and worked so much they weren't able to be home at the same time.

People who were so lucky to live here due to health complications that would have seen my family much smaller if not for that public health system.

I take great offense at your inference that the good fortune I have is based on something other than hard work and the luck to live in this nation.

I did not say anything about your heritage, your work ethic, your good fortune. Nothing at all.

Zilch. Nada. Nought.

Why do you insist that I did?

 

[faible]

If you don't have an objective respect of the systems and values that brought us to this point, this absolute peak of humanity, then you shouldn't be in discussing which of those systems and values needs to be removed to facilitate what you hope is advancement and growth.

Especially if you don't hold a position of absolute devotion to freedom of individuals and broadly prefer putting people into line via government act.

Ah so if you don't think the way Taylor thinks and worships 'the system' then no opinion allowed. Nationalism rising again.

Again, you've used a lot of words to say nothing.

The system isn't perfect - no system is - and pretending otherwise is simply ignorance. Are you ignorant Taylor?

 

[Taylor]

I did not say anything about your heritage, your work ethic, your good fortune. Nothing at all.

Zilch. Nada. Nought.

Why do you insist that I did?

Because we have a long history of me saying that hard work leads to better outcomes and you arguing with me, and I have a long memory.

 

[Taylor]

Ah so if you don't think the way Taylor thinks and worships 'the system' then no opinion allowed. Nationalism rising again.

Again, you've used a lot of words to say nothing.

The system isn't perfect - no system is - and pretending otherwise is simply ignorance. Are you ignorant Taylor?

I think it's impossible to take someone seriously when they say the system isn't perfect if they can't first recognise the objective reality that Australia is a paradise for human existence in the context of human existence ever and anywhere.

You can't plot a course without a start point Daniel Jackson.

 

[faible]

I think it's impossible to take someone seriously when they say the system isn't perfect if they can't first recognise the objective reality that Australia is a paradise for human existence in the context of human existence ever and anywhere.

How is this in any way relevant to what's being discussed?

You're just doing that thing where you try to redirect the discussion. Demanding people worship the flag or some such nationalistic nonsense. It's very dull and repetitive.

 

[faible]

I did not say anything about your heritage, your work ethic, your good fortune. Nothing at all.

Zilch. Nada. Nought.

Why do you insist that I did?

Interesting she mentions the public health system, that's one of those areas that's in need of help.