Brad Crouch vs Ollie Wines
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yaco55
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Watched Crouch closely and I worry about his decision-making. Should have a good career, but douby he will be an elite player !
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Crouch probably the crow's best today.
Crouch: 28 disposals, 11 contested, 8 clearances, 5 tackles, 2 behinds.
Wines: 11 disposals, 3 contested, 1 clearance, 7 tackles.
Was Wines playing a more defensive role today? A full season for a first year player has to take its tole at some point.
On a completely irrelevant note, Wingard, wow.
Crouch: 28 disposals, 11 contested, 8 clearances, 5 tackles, 2 behinds.
Wines: 11 disposals, 3 contested, 1 clearance, 7 tackles.
Was Wines playing a more defensive role today? A full season for a first year player has to take its tole at some point.
On a completely irrelevant note, Wingard, wow.
OrdinaryJoel
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Ollie looked to have hit that proverbial rookie wall that every rookie hits at some point. He is a man child, but he looks to be feeling the effects of a full blown season so far.
Malibu#27
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Pretty much yes, a lot more body work and clearing spaces etc the last couple weeks, but also it does seem to be down a little in forward running lately.
Yup, he's starting to slow down now - we're really managing his playing time as well.
The three weeks before yesterday he had 66%, 72% and 65% time on ground.
Another preseason will help him a lot.
The three weeks before yesterday he had 66%, 72% and 65% time on ground.
Another preseason will help him a lot.
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Wines has had a great year and a super pick up for port. Visually the difference I see is Crouch looks like a 24 year old hardened player while Wines really does look like a 18 year old kid. Wines looks classy with his disposal but Crouchs attack on the ball and man is awesome to watch.
I reckon these 2 will have some epic battles over the next decade or so. Both quality kids with slightly different skill sets. Rate Ollies attack on the ball every bit as highly as Crouchies.
Will be interesting how each fits into their respective teams midfield. I see Crouch being a bigger part of the crows midfield compared to Wines in Ports, well over the short term anyway. As a result I reckon Port will manage Ollies development more conservatively where as the crows probably need Crouch to be a bigger role player at this stage.
In 5 years time though, both will be beasts.
Completely agree , Wines , Crouch and O'Meara could be the best 3 players in the AFL in the next 4-5 years
Whoops.
yaco55
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Crouch over Wines all day long.
Bumper crop of midfielders debuted this year... O'Meara, Crouch, Wines, Mitchell, Mayes all going to be outright guns, maybe Viney and Vlastuin too
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He will be AA multiple times by the end of his career. Sando said that in his opinion Crouch will win a brownlow before Dangerfield. But then again you proberbly dont rate Danger either.
Possibly not, but neither will 99.9% of players get to Ablett's level and only a handful will get to Pendlebury levels. That said, Crouch's disposal effectiveness, accuracy and his decision making have all improved massively since your original post. He will be right near the top echelon.
sando also said a couple of your average players like hartigan were as good as first round picks when someone noted you missing the early stage of the draft.
his opinion of adelaide players is about as valuable as my knowledge on quantum mechanics.
you would be wise to never quote him again to support your point. does more harm then good.
At the moment Ollie is a bit behind Crouch, but not far. He is better inside than Crouch but does not do much on the outside. I liked how he comfortably beat Crouch in that crucial contest they had on the wing in the final qtr of the Showdown, but as yet he does not spread effectively
Ollie needs another pre-season (Crouch has already had 2) and by the end of the next year a more accurate comparison will be possible.
Ollie needs another pre-season (Crouch has already had 2) and by the end of the next year a more accurate comparison will be possible.
not sure if serious...
ollie's spread is elite for his age bracket. you dont average 19 possies in your first year by stumbling around.
ollies in close body work at the stoppages and work and spread are very much both in the elite for his age and should continue as he grows.
where he isnt up to elite grades is his disposal , while not poor is not elite either. doesnt burst away nor have great speed but has enough to execute as he needs to. not super sharp hands in close but rides contact very well and is smart about how and when to release the ball.
should continue on to be a top grade midfielder without ever being the type that makes the highlight reels nor is really elite but a champion of his club that makes his team better.
ollie's spread is elite for his age bracket. you dont average 19 possies in your first year by stumbling around.
ollies in close body work at the stoppages and work and spread are very much both in the elite for his age and should continue as he grows.
where he isnt up to elite grades is his disposal , while not poor is not elite either. doesnt burst away nor have great speed but has enough to execute as he needs to. not super sharp hands in close but rides contact very well and is smart about how and when to release the ball.
should continue on to be a top grade midfielder without ever being the type that makes the highlight reels nor is really elite but a champion of his club that makes his team better.
Umm..his spread is not elite.
Just ask Josh Carr
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-17/fine-wines-a-corker
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Going to be interesting tracking both these players careers.
Great up and coming midfielders and you feel if they can improve on this season and there is consistency, both will be champions of the game.
That said, i'll take crouch because i am biased.
Great up and coming midfielders and you feel if they can improve on this season and there is consistency, both will be champions of the game.
That said, i'll take crouch because i am biased.
Yes. Average 24.5 possessions in your first season tends to speak for itself.
