There's plenty of mature players but only one crap contract at St Kilda with one buyer.
Recommitted Brad Hill [OOC 2024] - reportedly open to a trade, links to North Melbourne
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There's plenty of mature players but only one crap contract at St Kilda with one buyer.
North aren't doing St Kilda a favour by taking his contract for a low pick. St Kilda don't need cap space and Hill's on field output is greater than something around pick 70.
Not many that want to go to North though.
Ratten wants to keep Hill.
I'd imagine North will offer him a longer deal and spread out the money.
It's not a favour if St Kilda have no need to shed the money though, especially if a team is trying to lure Hill out of the club rather than St Kilda pushing him out which seems to be the case.
If North fans don't want him or his money, that's fair and can't really criticise you for that. But he's not going for a late pick, let alone St Kilda giving North picks to take him.
I think what you're neglecting is that having $1.8m off your books for the next 2 years, opens up your ability to go after other better players.
I have heard the PR posturing of St Kilda "they want to keep him", "it's Clarko trying to get him" etc. and whilst that may be true to some extent, you're naïve to think that the extra cap space to go after better players then Hill in the future, won't be appealing to your football club.
Maybe, but having cap space is useless if we can't get players with it without overpaying. North and St Kilda are examples of this with massive contracts being thrown at players about every year since 2016 for both clubs.
I, personally, just don't see cap space as a useful asset if we already have enough to throw close to 800k at Degoey. To trade a good player (though frustratingly inconsistent) for nothing just to have the luxury of even more room is just bad business for St Kilda. Hence why I could see the club paying a good portion of his contract to help improve our return if he leaves.
If St Kilda pay 600k of the 1.8m total, and North manage spread the remaining 1.2m over 3 years than the cap hit is only 400k and it's more enticing for both clubs.
Anyway, that's my stance. I understand North fans don't want him, that's fair. Just don't expect to trade a 5th rounder for him if he comes over.
Your edit isn't really relevant to the conversation though is it?
If anything it helps prove my point.
St Kilda won't be bringing in anyone the of note so the cap space won't be an issue
And Ratten will be under pressure and we fall off a cliff with nothing to show from it.
So losing mature players for very little makes zero sense.
I don't understand the joke clearly...Sure Ratten wants to keep Hill.
If only he had a contract to hold him to...
I'd imagine he will hold him to the contract unless whoever is chasing him offers up a decent deal
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more salary cap space = better players is too simplistic a way to view it.
Players are drawn to combination of salary, success (or perceived future success) and club culture. You can have all the cap space in the world but still not have the top players want to come to you. We reportedly still had a big offer for DeGoey, so it's not like Hill's contract is a major hindrance
THe most important thing for us to attract talent is to start playing finals consistently. In my view losing Hill for SFA is not the way to do it.
Ratten will say that he wants to keep Hill publicly because no coach ever comes out and says they want a player gone.
Privately, Ratten would piggy back Hill from Moorabbin to Arden St to get out of paying him 900k a year for the next three years.
The Saints need to reset to avoid being stuck in mid-table purgatory. Getting Hill off the books is key to that.
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Hill finished equal 7th in our BnF a few nights ago. The votes were given by Ratten and the rest of the coaching panel. I doubt he's desperate to see him leave
Then why won't he be held to his contract?
He will be if a trade offer isn't satisfactory
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Who says he won't????
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I suggest one criterion you may have missed is that some players want roles in which they can excel.
We saw it with Logue. We could’ve offered him the same money, but if the pitch was that we need him as a utility, by all accounts he wouldn’t have bought in. He wanted to be a defender.
I wonder whether there could be an element of this at play with Hill. Ie. we are crying out for talented wingers and we can basically guarantee a spot there with his name on it for three years.
All fair points. I just disagree on the cap space not being a useful asset. The ability to take salary dumps in exchange for picks has begun to occur. The Will Brodie deal last year was an example of the direction it’s going.
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It’s hard to tell whether the backgrounding is coming from st kilda, Colin young, or someone else, but multiple journos have said that “he’s looking for a fresh start”.
Wouldn't hold your breath.
My view is that St Kilda has been wallowing in no mans land for some time with no light at the end of that tunnel (we’ve been there) and have to make some really hard decisions. Both off and on field.
I think getting Hill off your books is one of multiple difficult decisions that could set that change in motion. Allowing you to target OOC young players from the Giants/Suns over coming years, as an example.
Personally I’d prefer we saved that 900k to do the same rather then go Hill, so will be interesting to see it play out.
Paid a fortune to be a star player and leader yet finishes in a three way tie for 7th (so technically equal 9th) a long way behind the good players despite playing more games than all but of 8 of his mates.
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That's not a valid example as the Gold Coast cap was tight (if reports were true).
It is true that more salary cap space provides you more flexibility. However we have plenty of space ready to go, hence the large DeGoey offer we've already made. So the additional flexibility on-top of the significant flexibility StK already has is just not a big draw card.
If a deal gets done, it won't be a salary dump type Pick because we simply don't need to dump that salary (although it would be nice).
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