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Plus he pantsed Selwood that one time and got away with it
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Plus he pantsed Selwood that one time and got away with it
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Heard a few days ago it does (did)involve crozier.
What's the deal?
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I'll throw bricks at the Footy Department if we trade Crozier for Hill. Ffs Hill has off-field issues.
That I wasn't told. I found it interesting that the leak has possibly jeopardised the deal. Perhaps that's because of other (now) interested parties.
Who leaked and who to? nothing in media
I would be happy with this deal tbh, much prefer we keep langdon than Crozier.
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Crozier is one of the only players we have that can kick the footy accurately over 40/50m. Please keep
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Crozier is the only player who seems capable of hitting a target. He needs to be a distributor and play maker off HB.
He doesnt get enough of the ball, particularly contested. Langdon is already showing far more imo.
I actually think Suban could play this roll
I think Langdons run and carry is crucial.
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I actually think Suban could play this roll
Landgon is gone. Made his mind up a fair while ago.
I am not sure who thought that Crozier for B Hill was a good idea but I have to question their judgement. I hope it never happens.
It's trades like this that push my button. Somebody crys about going home and suddenly it's a worthwhile deal. Ahh please think again. What does Fremantle actually gain by swapping players. We are not a charity just because someone wants to come home/play with their brother does not actually make it a good deal. If another club wants to offload then let them.
If this trade happened it would look like the Croad trade to me and in 5 years we'll be saying we got done over.
B Hill looks good because he is in a good system and Hawthorne knows that they can make Crozier better than B Hill. They are laughing all the way to the bank on this one. Whilst SC and DT score are meaningless for many things they do give you an indicator of average performance and Crozier is plus 5% from both of them. In short a trade of B Hill for Crozier would require sweetening from Hawthorne to be worth it for us. Their round two pick is practically a round three pick and I would be asking for better than that.
It's trades like this that push my button. Somebody crys about going home and suddenly it's a worthwhile deal. Ahh please think again. What does Fremantle actually gain by swapping players. We are not a charity just because someone wants to come home/play with their brother does not actually make it a good deal. If another club wants to offload then let them.
If this trade happened it would look like the Croad trade to me and in 5 years we'll be saying we got done over.
B Hill looks good because he is in a good system and Hawthorne knows that they can make Crozier better than B Hill. They are laughing all the way to the bank on this one. Whilst SC and DT score are meaningless for many things they do give you an indicator of average performance and Crozier is plus 5% from both of them. In short a trade of B Hill for Crozier would require sweetening from Hawthorne to be worth it for us. Their round two pick is practically a round three pick and I would be asking for better than that.
Clarko made the Hill visit to Fremantle public after being asked about it by a journo, apparently.
I just think the fact that Lyon keeps mentioning Langdon in future context gives us hope..
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Agreed, you make a trade to win, not break even or even lose it.
Hawks are forced by it with Hill asking for the trade, we aren't.
Either a trade we win or wait till next year
Quick question... How did this whole scenario go from "Brad and Stephen want to play together" and therefore Brad is seeking a way (not necessarily this year) to do that through a convo with Ross has been turned in to "Ross wants Brad Hill desperately, Hawks should play hard ball because he is a contracted player"? And even that West Coast should pitch hard to try and steal him or at least push up his value.
F**k I hate the biased Eastern-states media. And the idiots that believe everything they read/hear.
I think the way this will likely play out is pretty straightforward and I am sure Freo and the Hawks aren't having the ridiculous conversations that are being reported in the media. Both clubs will try and make it happen but if either party loses too much in the process then it'll be delayed by another year, and repeat until they reach agreement or he becomes a free agent.
Freo don't really need Brad Hill right at this moment - we may bounce back next year but we still have plenty more to do before we are premiership potential again. Hill wants to come home but also seems mature enough to know that it may not happen straight away. If anything it should be being reported as us in the box seat. He wants to come to us (to play with his brother), so if anything we get the discount on the trade. It's f'in Cam McCarthy all over again. Whenever it is one of our players wanting to go home, it's reported as "we'll be lucky to get anything".
Hawk's board is pretty funny to read. Someone said a straight swap for Neale (ha ha ha ha). And then another evaluated Hill as a top 5 pick. ffs. The word 'elite' got thrown around a bit. Brad Hill, good player, but certainly not elite. A fair value is late first, early second imo. Given he has initiated the conversation about wanting to come home I think early second rounder (or equivalent) or we should keep waiting it out. We need to start winning trades we have the advantage with, not bending over.
F**k I hate the biased Eastern-states media. And the idiots that believe everything they read/hear.
I think the way this will likely play out is pretty straightforward and I am sure Freo and the Hawks aren't having the ridiculous conversations that are being reported in the media. Both clubs will try and make it happen but if either party loses too much in the process then it'll be delayed by another year, and repeat until they reach agreement or he becomes a free agent.
Freo don't really need Brad Hill right at this moment - we may bounce back next year but we still have plenty more to do before we are premiership potential again. Hill wants to come home but also seems mature enough to know that it may not happen straight away. If anything it should be being reported as us in the box seat. He wants to come to us (to play with his brother), so if anything we get the discount on the trade. It's f'in Cam McCarthy all over again. Whenever it is one of our players wanting to go home, it's reported as "we'll be lucky to get anything".
Hawk's board is pretty funny to read. Someone said a straight swap for Neale (ha ha ha ha). And then another evaluated Hill as a top 5 pick. ffs. The word 'elite' got thrown around a bit. Brad Hill, good player, but certainly not elite. A fair value is late first, early second imo. Given he has initiated the conversation about wanting to come home I think early second rounder (or equivalent) or we should keep waiting it out. We need to start winning trades we have the advantage with, not bending over.
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I get your point. We've already had one player change his mind, so Langdon could still yet stay.
No drama. But IMO you are underestimating the importance of having good inside mids in helping an outside player play well. If Brad Hill was a good as player as Des he would be worth a pick 15 - 18 was my point. For the record I think we have the right group of under 26 inside mids in Neale, Fyfe and Blakely (Balic perhaps as well) for Brad Hill to play well over the next few years if we could recruit him.
The person who told me works in the industry and doesn't lie. However things can change.
I have given Crozier some thought. THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.
Crozier could not get a game preseason.
Was behind all the new boys.
Only got a game when he was just about the last person standing at Peel.
Then maybe someone from the Hawks rings his manager and asks if he would be interested in moving back to Melbourne .
What would you do.
Nah.
More like:
Hill had some preseason issues. Clarko gave him a massive serve. Hill then decided he wanted to go home and to Freo. Hawks went piss off then, BUT kept an eye on our young players. Crozier starting getting some game time and doing well and so they said let's pick him up.
I know Hill is young, but the thought of giving up any youngster does my head in. Much rather just give them a pick and if they find a gem so be it.
Crozier and Langdon have a reasonable way to go and although Hill is 23 I dont think we'll see him do anymore in the game then what he's done.
Pick 25 for mine. Now to find that pick!
That was his great mistake that he didn't come back then, considering his past two years. As you say b. hill is not in our top priorities. There might be someone better than mccarthy?
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