Toast Brad Lloyd - Head of Football

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Such a waste of a post on a fan forum. You made the same non argument in defense of Russell. Despite player fitness being an equally obvious indicator. You ended up proven wrong on that one and just disappeared from the conversation. You'll do the same here no doubt.

I think Lloyd has been OK in general but what can you say when we got so much wrong as a club this year? This is a big boy sport and getting the big title / pay check means you own responsibility for the mistakes. He must have signed off on what Russell was doing and match committee/ team selection.

2024 was one long succession of awful mistakes that cost us a better than good chance of a premiership.

Cook has to be looking at Lloyd's role very closely right now.

Anyone looking at Cook's role very closely right now?

More to the point, and I may have missed it somewhere, does anyone actually know the job description for the Head of Football?
 
Fortunately, the club doesn't conduct their reviews based on BigFooty discussion points. As stakeholders under the club's constitution, critical analysis and comment is absolutely fair.
I've done a little bit of work with the west tigers and their clean out and board changes. There's more to come. But.... And nobody here is going to like this because it brings a possibility they won't want to believe... The tigers old board most definitely leaked things to social media and gauges the responses as part of the decision making... Everything about image and marketing short term shit and the club fell in a heap for it....

Just saying... Wouldn't be so sure the club isn't stupid and isn't giving sentiment a too powerful weighting in the decision making.
 
As opposed to .... let's not discuss it ... nothing to see here .... all went well?
Of course it should be discussed, no one has suggested otherwise, nor that our season was a success, especially the back half of the year.


It didn't feel like it went well, and since we aren't privy to the kpi's for the position, we can only speculate as to who needs to take responsibility.
Responsibility wouldn't start and finish with one person

If it's not the footy manager, what exactly is he responsible for, and if it's not the onfield stuff and making sure we have what we need to be successful on field, what's the point of the position?

I don't think it's right that if the club can keep somebody's role sufficiently vague enough, that nobody can hold them accountable.
A role like Lloyd's would be to ensure that the agreed strategies were followed, by all areas/people under his watch

That would be the starting point
 

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There are key areas of footy department that are obviously not functioning well…

high performance/injuries very poor (Russell gone)

MC team selection diabolical (Voss prolly main culprit)

Game plan outdated

List management too slow (KPD mid and small forwards still areas of need)

Yeah but other than nothing to see here 😉
 
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I've done a little bit of work with the west tigers and their clean out and board changes. There's more to come. But.... And nobody here is going to like this because it brings a possibility they won't want to believe... The tigers old board most definitely leaked things to social media and gauges the responses as part of the decision making... Everything about image and marketing short term shit and the club fell in a heap for it....

Just saying... Wouldn't be so sure the club isn't stupid and isn't giving sentiment a too powerful weighting in the decision making.
Many organisations do this
 
Of course it should be discussed, no one has suggested otherwise, nor that our season was a success, especially the back half of the year.

So this is more discussion, than bringing in dartboards ... maybe?

Responsibility wouldn't start and finish with one person

Correct, but in this thread we are discussing one person as per the title.


A role like Lloyd's would be to ensure that the agreed strategies were followed, by all areas/people under his watch

That would be the starting point

Yes. Reviewing and monitoring is the final part of every risk management process. It is a management responsibility.
 
Russell going and being replaced by Innes is a good move. My ITK who is close to Innes has suggested he has wanted to join us for a while.

However, lets be clear, and I am no Russell fan. He didnt go rogue on the "mini pre season" plan mid year.

That would have been an endorsed strategy with Voss and Lloyd input/ sign off.

Voss is locked away. Lloyd has been there since Teague era and was part of the Liddle clique...

He has had his time, someone needs to be held to account for the footy department. He is the obvious choice, with a new face and fresh eyes on the coaching group

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So this is more discussion, than bringing in dartboards ... maybe?
I would think so, certainly better than, X needs to go/be sacked

Correct, but in this thread we are discussing one person as per the title.
I understand the nature of the thread, but as stated previously, it would be almost impossible to determine the effectiveness of the role unless someone is in the inner sanctum

Yes. Reviewing and monitoring is the final part of every risk management process. It is a management responsibility.
Let's hope then, that this is being undertaken, I suspect it would be the case, no matter how a season plays out
 
Arrow let’s just pretend this year never happened.

Let’s roll out with the same off field team as this year.

Great success.

I find these posts really strange, as I've never stated "everything is rosy"

Perhaps you and others share your thoughts on the OP, hopefully in a constructive manner

If people just want to melt, and want heads to roll, then it's no longer a worthy discussion
 

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Such a waste of a post on a fan forum. You made the same non argument in defense of Russell. Despite player fitness being an equally obvious indicator. You ended up proven wrong on that one and just disappeared from the conversation. You'll do the same here no doubt.

I think Lloyd has been OK in general but what can you say when we got so much wrong as a club this year? This is a big boy sport and getting the big title / pay check means you own responsibility for the mistakes. He must have signed off on what Russell was doing and match committee/ team selection.

2024 was one long succession of awful mistakes that cost us a better than good chance of a premiership.

Cook has to be looking at Lloyd's role very closely right now.

Nailed it 👍
 
I find these posts really strange, as I've never stated "everything is rosy"

Perhaps you and others share your thoughts on the OP, hopefully in a constructive manner

If people just want to melt, and want heads to roll, then it's no longer a worthy discussion

We don’t know their KPI’s so I don’t think we can unfortunately.
 
As opposed to .... let's not discuss it ... nothing to see here .... all went well?

It didn't feel like it went well, and since we aren't privy to the kpi's for the position, we can only speculate as to who needs to take responsibility.

If it's not the footy manager, what exactly is he responsible for, and if it's not the onfield stuff and making sure we have what we need to be successful on field, what's the point of the position?

I don't think it's right that if the club can keep somebody's role sufficiently vague enough, that nobody can hold them accountable.


Extend Arrow’s argument…..how can any CEO of any football club be held accountable if you can’t hold the football manager accountable? “Don’t know what really happens in there”. Now the obvious response would be “that is the Board’s role” (to hold them accountable) or “well at least you can see profit and loss and membership”. But in so doing the latter argument totally absolves the CEO of football….ie the purpose of the club existing. The former argument - about the Board….well it is elected by…..the fans!

Lol. So what would the fans choose the Board on if the fan base is not permitted - per Arrow’s argument - to assess anything that it can’t visibly see? Just trust them? Yeah that’s what shareholders of Boards always do….not.

So the cogent extensions of Arrow’s argument is (1) just throw the Board out because we are not happy with the overall outcomes. Or (2) at least call for an explanation and if we didn’t get one get a spill.

So really what the fans here are asking of Board and Mgt is actually quite reasonable. Explain yourselves or get out. Happens in every single company everywhere on Earth.

All perfectly reasonable of everyone on Bigfooty to do. So let’s all continue to prosecute that.

Give us better answers Mgt. if you don’t, Board give them. If you don’t….get out.

Simple.
 
I would think so, certainly better than, X needs to go/be sacked

Some areas of concern have been articulated already, so the discussion is occurring.

I understand the nature of the thread, but as stated previously, it would be almost impossible to determine the effectiveness of the role unless someone is in the inner sanctum

And so we can only speculate, as is also occurring.

Let's hope then, that this is being undertaken, I suspect it would be the case, no matter how a season plays out

As someone who had a career in this field, you'd be amazed at the size of organisations who failed this basic step. In fact, after complete negligence, it's the largest cause of any system failure.
 
Extend Arrow’s argument…..how can any CEO of any football club be held accountable if you can’t hold the football manager accountable? “Don’t know what really happens in there”. Now the obvious response would be “that is the Board’s role” (to hold them accountable) or “well at least you can see profit and loss and membership”. But in so doing the latter argument totally absolves the CEO of football….ie the purpose of the club existing. The former argument - about the Board….well it is elected by…..the fans!

Lol. So what would the fans choose the Board on if the fan base is not permitted - per Arrow’s argument - to assess anything that it can’t visibly see? Just trust them? Yeah that’s what shareholders of Boards always do….not.

So the cogent extensions of Arrow’s argument is (1) just throw the Board out because we are not happy with the overall outcomes. Or (2) at least call for an explanation and if we didn’t get one get a spill.

So really what the fans here are asking of Board and Mgt is actually quite reasonable. Explain yourselves or get out. Happens in every single company everywhere on Earth.

All perfectly reasonable of everyone on Bigfooty to do. So let’s all continue to prosecute that.

Give us better answers Mgt. if you don’t, Board give them. If you don’t….get out.

Simple.

Yes. All the way up the line, someone has a responsibility to monitor and receive feedback as to what those under them are doing.

The biggest issue with this in a football club though, is lack of expertise in the key area ... football.

This is why we have a football director, but if they don't understand coaching or managing a department, they're going to buy whatever they are sold.

Even external reviewers need to have some sort of working knowledge as to what is required.

Sometimes it just comes down to outcomes.
 
There are key areas of footy department that are obviously not functioning well…

high performance/injuries very poor (Russell gone)

MC team selection diabolical (Voss prolly main culprit)

Game plan outdated

List management too slow (KPD mid and small forwards still areas of need)

Yeah but other than nothing to see here 😉
It’s reasonable to challenge for sure. We need answers.

Look up “thin slicing” folks (per Gladwell I think). Voss fails the thin slice test many times. So what are we doing about it? It’s obvious Lloyd has no impact on Voss. It’s obvious the Assistant Coaches don’t either.

“Contest and pressure” - as Pommy said “these are a GIVEN”. What’s the actual strategy???? As for his selections in the Elimination final. What a cluster **** of a brain fade. He had 2 weeks to **** that up.

I have cut them all a lot of slack to due to the total ineptitude of Russell and his abject failure to reach the standard of “high performance” anything. Lloyd must have supported Russell staying. Shocking call.

Mgt and Board let him stay way too long. Mgt and Board ought to be able to see Voss is not that smart and needs a lot of help. They need to see he is stubborn and pull him into line. They don’t need to wait for more data. And we need to act.

The problem with Lloyd is the same as the problem with Russell…..it can’t get any worse with someone else in the role….so try someone else. He is having no impact. We are only where we are due to individual brilliance of several players. Nothing else.

NOW.
 

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