Autopsy Brave Bulldogs go down by 14 points

[Iamspock]

I don’t follow rugby league , but someone on Facebook reckons that in that code the tackle that got Naughts is a ‘hip drop,’ and whether intentional or not is severely punished as it can bust your opponent’s leg . As happened here.

Anyone?

Yes, that's true. Even if there is no injury, the tackler is punished, I think to the sin bin, and then suspended. It is also banned in American football.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

I don’t follow rugby league , but someone on Facebook reckons that in that code the tackle that got Naughts is a ‘hip drop,’ and whether intentional or not is severely punished as it can bust your opponent’s leg . As happened here.

Anyone?

The tackle on Naughton reminded me of Rocca's tackle on Bob Murphy years ago when Murph was playing as an undersized key forward. You could see and hear Murph's knee tendons ripping as Rocca dropped his hip and twisted him over his legs... bloody horrific and should be outlawed because it serves no purpose other than to injure the player being tackled.

 

[Al dente]

At no point in my original post did I claim he had a good tackle game, in fact I agree that he missed some easy tackles. I was simply saying that as a team we didn't tackle well, there were plenty of senior players who couldn't even manage 4 tackle attempts...

Tackle Attempts / Tackles
8 / 3 - Bramble
7 / 2 - Vandermeer
7 / 6 - Bontempelli
6 / 5 - Sanders
5 / 4 - Treloar
5 / 3 - Darcy
5 / 2 - Macrae
4 / 3 - Dale
4 / 3 - Gallagher
4 / 2 - Daniel
4 / 2 - Freijah
3 / 3 - Harmes
3 / 2 - English
3 / 1 - Keath
2 / 2 - Garcia
2 / 2 - Richards
2 / 2 - Williams
1 / 1 - Duryea
1 / 0 - L. Jones
0 / 0 - Scott
0 / 0 - Naughton
0 / 0 - Ugle-Hagen

We are coming off a 5-day break so I think it's fair to give most of them the benefit of the doubt, especially given that we are generally a good tackling team this year.

Macrae is naturally going to have fewer tackles now that he is starting permanently forward but that doesn't mean he's not having an impact pressure-wise...

Pressure Points
49 - Bontempelli
37 - Macrae
36 - West
34 - Darcy
33 - Sanders
31 - Daniel
31 - Bramble
30 - Harmes
29 - Garcia
28 - Dale
27 - English
26 - Freijah
26 - Vandermeer
23 - Treloar
23 - Richards
20 - Williams
20 - Gallagher
11 - Duryea
6 - Naughton
5 - L. Jones
3 - Ugle-Hagen
0 - Scott

I'd have to check the numbers but I think he's ranked top 3 for overall pressure (pressure points) this year which is something he traditionally has struggled with.

Again I'm not defending the tackle game tonight but it was not exclusive to him and although he was far below his best today Macrae was ranked 3rd for ground balls and equal 2nd for score assists along with a well above average inside 50 retention rate. Comparing him to his previous years is largely pointless given his new position and I wouldn't be writing him off just yet but that doesn't mean he won't find himself out of the team at the end of year.

how does Richards get 2/2 tackles when he clearly missed one that resulted in goal

 

[Testekill]

None of our defenders or English were able to get off the ground for a breather in the second half according to Bevo's presser.

 

[dogwatch]

Yes, that's true. Even if there is no injury, the tackler is punished, I think to the sin bin, and then suspended. It is also banned in American football.

The subsequent suspension, even if automatic, would still be subject to the usual expensive silks trying to get their lad off.

But the sin-bin works because it's immediate, can't be appealed and puts your side at a big disadvantage for the duration of the bin time.

As such it's fairer across the board. It would not be a system that favours the clubs who like to appeal everything and can afford it. It would thus be a genuine disincentive to committing the crime.

Sin bins would also discourage the [Hawthorn player who I won't name] type of thuggery in a GF. Who cares if you miss the first four weeks of the next season if you've got a premiership medallion because you laid out one or two of the opponents' best players in the first quarter? Sin-binning would definitely discourage that sort of thing.

 

[dogwatch]

They’re never intentional though. It depends on the angle at which the player falls. If the tackle is illegal there could be grounds for a week off maybe.

It is sometimes clear that tackles are meant to intimidate and perhaps some teams are coached that way. Or a player might employ a tactic that would injure an opponent enough to force him from the field (I’m thinking of a former Hawthorn player…) but not lengthy injury. It was almost an art form

Or perhaps when there’s a head clash (or two) and one player is injured and the other not…

LOL, I just posted something similar!

I wonder if it's the same Hawthorn player? There have been plenty of candidates over the years!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

LOL, I just posted something similar!

I wonder if it's the same Hawthorn player? There have been plenty of candidates over the years!

Are his initials Sam Mitchell?

 

[Next Waiting]

The subsequent suspension, even if automatic, would still be subject to the usual expensive silks trying to get their lad off.

But the sin-bin works because it's immediate, can't be appealed and puts your side at a big disadvantage for the duration of the bin time.

As such it's fairer across the board. It would not be a system that favours the clubs who like to appeal everything and can afford it. It would thus be a genuine disincentive to committing the crime.

Sin bins would also discourage the [Hawthorn player who I won't name] type of thuggery in a GF. Who cares if you miss the first four weeks of the next season if you've got a premiership medallion because you laid out one or two of the opponents' best players in the first quarter? Sin-binning would definitely discourage that sort of thing.

Would we need the video review to be judge and jury on sinbinning. I think the umpire could refer it to the video umpire for immediate review and the video umpire's decision binding on all parties.

The review could be like Australia's Got Talent (or whatever) where you have 3 judges and they each give a tick or cross. Tick equals guilty, cross equals not guilty. Televised in real time. It would be very exciting and add to viewer engagement.

 

[Cookie]

The tackle on Naughton reminded me of Rocca's tackle on Bob Murphy years ago when Murph was playing as an undersized key forward. You could see and hear Murph's knee tendons ripping as Rocca dropped his hip and twisted him over his legs... bloody horrific and should be outlawed because it serves no purpose other than to injure the player being tackled.

Mentioned that one to a mate this morning. From memory, Rocca twisted Bob a bit more but you could almost feel the tear.
Mate said it's a Sydney thing and he reckons Sydney has had some advice from a thug or two from the NRL on how to do it.

 

[dogwatch]

Are his initials Sam Mitchell?

No! They are RdD.

But I'm definitely not saying who he is.

 

[Oliver G]

how does Richards get 2/2 tackles when he clearly missed one that resulted in goal

I'll check it out, do you remember which goal that was?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

No! They are RdD.

But I'm definitely not saying who he is.

Mitchell admitted to deliberately corking opponents, eg Ryan Griffen. Quite unrepentant, shrugged it off.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

These are not the first concussions for Scott and Richards, iirc

 

[dogwatch]

Would we need the video review to be judge and jury on sinbinning. I think the umpire could refer it to the video umpire for immediate review and the video umpire's decision binding on all parties.

The review could be like Australia's Got Talent (or whatever) where you have 3 judges and they each give a tick or cross. Tick equals guilty, cross equals not guilty. Televised in real time. It would be very exciting and add to viewer engagement.

Perhaps. But this is where it gets tricky.

You can just imagine the indignation of the blathering commentatoes (who should be irrelevant) using their public megaphone to throw their weight behind the culprit. Meanwhile the victim is still being driven off the ground on a medi-cart.

The longer it takes to make the call the more likely it is to be undermined, and the less effective it will be.

 

[Pocket Terrace]

I'll check it out, do you remember which goal that was?

From memory, Gulden goal 2nd quarter where they just walked through us from the outer wing

 

[Bald]

These are not the first concussions for Scott and Richards, iirc

I thought Jon Ralph last night said Ed was up to his 5th..

 

[Next Waiting]

Perhaps. But this is where it gets tricky.

You can just imagine the indignation of the blathering commentatoes (who should be irrelevant) using their public megaphone to throw their weight behind the culprit. Meanwhile the victim is still being driven off the ground on a medi-cart.

The longer it takes to make the call the more likely it is to be undermined, and the less effective it will be.

The perpetrator should be made to wait in a booth with a host pending the result.

Host (BT): So how you feeling about your prospects in this one Lewis?

Perp: Touch and go BT. Hoping for the best.

BT: Alright, looks like we've got a result coming in Lewis. Stand by. And that's a unanimous verdict ... guilty! How are you feeling right now.

Perp: Pretty sh1t tbh BT. I'm gonna miss the rest of the game

BT: Not only that Lewis...can we just get a close up of the victim leaving for hospital on the cart...that looks like a career ending injury which means that your career is also over. Any comment Lewis?

Perp: . I had a dysfunctional childhood

 

[SackofTaters]

Was at the game, it was one of only a handful of games I've seen in the last couple of years, it looked like the players actually played with pride... They did not drop their bundle mentally, kept sticking at it.

As a 30 year member, that also filled me with pride. Go well boys...

 

[Claudonious]

What did you notice?

I thought he was close to our best. I just saw he had 19 CPs too, easily the most on the ground.

Is he a victim of his own extraordinarily high standards?

Bont was good - he doesn’t need to get 30 every week, and gets a lot of attention


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[Claudonious]

A lot of people are critical of Bramble.

He is getting to a lot of contests, working his backside off and at times not having the support he should be getting in the backline.

He is prone to mistakes, yet I would persist a bit more, don't think he deserves the chop just yet because the effort and intensity in generally there.

Agree - he makes a few bad mistakes though that magnify things.He won’t be dropped on this weeks performance


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[Mofra]

They were regularly and copiously fellated by the umpires. The Jones contest with Amartey was BS they went up together and both came down reaching for the ball there was no arm chop. Just because the ump assumed Amartey should have marked it doesn't make it an arm chop

Umpires don't make us miss goals we should kick.
Blaming umpires is a cop out. Injuries and accuracy were behind the result.

 

[_Mike_]

None of our defenders or English were able to get off the ground for a breather in the second half according to Bevo's presser.

Explains why English faded in the 3rd.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

This loss reminded me of the cats game in 2016 at the cattery when Libba and Jacko went down only it was probably even a better effort. You know where that lead us to hopefully lightning strikes twice.

 

[wayniac]

I don’t follow rugby league , but someone on Facebook reckons that in that code the tackle that got Naughts is a ‘hip drop,’ and whether intentional or not is severely punished as it can bust your opponent’s leg . As happened here.

Anyone?

David King mentioned it during the interval. Said it should be outlawed because it is very dangerous. That idiot Jason Dunstall disagreed with King. Dunstall hates us for some reason.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Great fight by the club to stay with the Swans despite the adversities the game threw up. Good to see the young pups contributing so much, long May it continue. Just a couple of points on a few of them.
Freijah, is it just anxiousness in my part or does he make a few bad mistakes early but rapidly improve as the game goes on. Switch on early son.
West - if you are not getting lots of shots on goal make the ones you do have count. Too many set shots missed.
Sanders - a handball backwards shouldn’t be the first thought always.kick more