Player Watch Brayden Maynard

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I think you’re genuinely arguing to just argue at this point.

I’ve been saying it for years…..bring back the forearm!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Kind of - without writing an essay, the two hurdles are, was Bruz playing the ball?, was it reasonable for him to play the ball in that fashion?

The second one is the challenge.


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The weird part is that;
a) he undoubtedly was playing the ball
b) no-one has the least problem with how he was playing the ball
c) after the ball was out of the area, but before Maynard had any opportunity to change his trajectory, he made forceful contact with someone.

If the question is only around how he contested the ball, then there is actually no question at all.

 

[Bianconeri]

You want to hope that the point of the elbow doesn’t land over the heart. As soon as you think of guidelines for players actions, other ways of causing injury will emerge. It’s a contact sport.

His options would have been to brace with his shoulder, his forearm, or his face. Which do you recommend?

Edit there is always the Ollie Henry dance hands option…. Albeit Henry was celebrating a goal but maybe he was protecting his pretty face as well…

I think you’re genuinely arguing to just argue at this point.

At the end of the day I don’t really care about Maynard’s options in this situation. Brayshaw has the right to take a kick without having his head taken off. The onus is on Maynard not to hit him in the head.

Atm I think the rules allow for accidents to happen within reasonable football actions so I expect him to get off this time but I’m predicting the rules get tweaked to put the one on the player jumping to not land his shoulder in someone’s face.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think Maynard get off this time and the AFL adjust the rules next year to discourage this action.

The only practical way to do that is to adopt a league wide “acceptable fashion in which to brace for unavoidable contact”.

I actually thought Maynard did well to avoid hitting Brayshaw with a forearm or elbow, by bringing his arms in. Others saw that as drawing in to bump.

 

[Bianconeri]

The only practical way to do that is to adopt a league wide “acceptable fashion in which to brace for unavoidable contact”.

I actually thought Maynard did well to avoid hitting Brayshaw with a forearm or elbow, by bringing his arms in. Others saw that as drawing in to bump.

The focus will be more on the approach to the contest rather than the brace itself

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

At the end of the day I don’t really care about Maynard’s options in this situation. Brayshaw has the right to take a kick without having his head taken off. The onus is on Maynard not to hit him in the head.

Atm I think the rules allow for accidents to happen within reasonable football actions so I expect him to get off this time but I’m predicting the rules get tweaked to put the one on the player jumping to not land his shoulder in someone’s face.

It’s a 360 degree game so rarely will we see a player running straight at his opponent to smother. It doesn’t need a new rule for something we’ve never seen before. And it’s probably occurred because of the 666 rule change in the first place where you can’t play a spare behind the play

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The focus will be more on the approach to the contest rather than the brace itself

So outlawing jumping in the air to smother?

 

[Bianconeri]

So outlawing jumping in the air to smother?

Yep. It will become like the bump, you can still do do it but be prepared to cop a ban if you hit someone high.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yep. It will become like the bump, you can still do do it but be prepared to cop a ban if you hit someone high.

I respectfully disagree that this will happen but it’s an interesting take.

 

[Bianconeri]

It’s a 360 degree game so rarely will we see a player running straight at his opponent to smother. It doesn’t need a new rule for something we’ve never seen before. And it’s probably occurred because of the 666 rule change in the first place where you can’t play a spare behind the play

If that’s your view I don’t know why you’d be against a rule change.

I think it will happen because that’s how the AFL respond to concussion issues.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If that’s your view I don’t know why you’d be against a rule change.

I think it will happen because that’s how the AFL respond to concussion issues.

It might. Hope it’s a very specific rule if they do ( flying in dangerLol) because the next step is banning of all marking contests

 

[sam_e]

The weird part is that;
a) he undoubtedly was playing the ball
b) no-one has the least problem with how he was playing the ball
c) after the ball was out of the area, but before Maynard had any opportunity to change his trajectory, he made forceful contact with someone.

If the question is only around how he contested the ball, then there is actually no question at all.

Nah you're right, it's both:
_ would a reasonable player regard what he did as ‘prudent’ (jump, extend arms, attempt smother, land) in all circumstances?; If not = careless.
_ was the contact forseeable? and
_ if so, did he take reasonable care to avoid that contact eg. slow his momentum, change trajectory, land to left /right of player, not brace etc ..were any of those 'reasonable' and did he affect them? If not = careless.

 

[sideswipe]

Nah you're right, it's both:
_ would a reasonable player regard what he did as ‘prudent’ (jump, extend arms, attempt smother, land) in all circumstances?; If not = careless.
_ was the contact forseeable? and
_ if so, did he take reasonable care to avoid that contact eg. slow his momentum, change trajectory, land to left /right of player, not brace etc ..were any of those 'reasonable' and did he affect them? If not = careless.

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[JB1975]

At the end of the day I don’t really care about Maynard’s options in this situation. Brayshaw has the right to take a kick without having his head taken off. The onus is on Maynard not to hit him in the head.

I think you've somehow failed to grasp the notion of accident.

They happen. In or outside the rules, despite the best of intentions, they happen.

 

[Bianconeri]

I think you've somehow failed to grasp the notion of accident.

They happen. In or outside the rules, despite the best of intentions, they happen.

They happen, this particular accident will probably be deemed inside the rules this year whilst I expect that will change next season.

I’m also not going to be upset at that change.

 

[JB1975]

They happen, this particular accident will probably be deemed inside the rules this year whilst I expect that will change next season.

I’m also not going to be upset at that change.

Right. The new rule which says players will no longer be allowed to brace for impact. About time for common sense!

 

[Tippy78]

I’ve been saying it for years…..bring back the forearm!

I think this is the message that the youngsters should take. Go the punch, elbow to the face whenever you like but make sure you do it to someone who has a hard head and won’t be concussed.

For the guys with known concussions, just let them play. Don’t tackle them, don’t jump in the air in their general vicinity and definitely don’t stand near them when they are sliding in with their heads trying to pick up the ball.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

They happen, this particular accident will probably be deemed inside the rules this year whilst I expect that will change next season.

I’m also not going to be upset at that change.

So, when a player is taking a shot from 50m, they would normally hook around and take a little more distance while the player on the mark is forced to stand, or jump on the spot.

With your suggestion, the kicker could feign to kick, get the player on the mark in the air, simply run into them, and then… what?

 

[JB1975]

So, when a player is taking a shot from 50m, they would normally hook around and take a little more distance while the player on the mark is forced to stand, or jump on the spot.

With your suggestion, the kicker could feign to kick, get the player on the mark in the air, simply run into them, and then… what?

I think it's true, sadly, that Bianconeri is being argumentative for the sake of it.

 

[Greenaicos]

They happen, this particular accident will probably be deemed inside the rules this year whilst I expect that will change next season.

I’m also not going to be upset at that change.

See the excerpt below from an article in the Age today by Caro re Andrew Ireland joining the AFL Commission. Seems like it’s the club presidents that are driving changes to indemnify themselves against concussion claims.

“It has also emerged that the 18 club presidents, who called a special meeting late last month because of their concerns surrounding concussion, have called a second gathering independently of the AFL on the eve of the September 25 Brownlow Medal count.

Looking to legally indemnify themselves and their clubs against potential concussion claims and keen to join forces to seek and collectively fund independent legal advice the presidents had become frustrated with the AFL's response to their concerns.”

 

[jmac70]

Bracing with the shoulder. ATM the rule seems to be if you choose to bump the onus is on you not to hit the opposition high. I think they’ll extend it to include bracing with the shoulder counting as a bump.

What part of the body should they brace with instead?

 

[jmac70]

The focus will be more on the approach to the contest rather than the brace itself

So don’t run or jump.
Sounds like a fun game.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

What part of the body should they brace with instead?

Yes the AFL will need to release a DVD demonstrating acceptable bracing positions. Looking forward to it.

 

[sam_e]

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Player Watch - Brayden Maynard

He said this: I'm stepping outside my expertise here, but I don't think it's a typical shoulder that pops in and out that needs a full reco like some get. Bucks mentioned on air earlier in the week too that he's been managing this issue for 4-5 years, or something.

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[pugsville]

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Logic? Reason knowledge of the game.

It;s was it reasonable and was the result foreseeable is the whole nub of the issue.