Current Brian Thompson United Healthcare CEO Ambushed & Killed - Manhattan US * Penn graduate Luigi Mangione arrested

[MadMundy]

I will say that this sort of shit makes me glad to live in Australia, we would NEVER have this sort of thing happen, we're still talking about the Lindt Cafe Incident from 10 years ago.

But regardless of how you feel about the message, maybe he was doing it for the right reasons, at the end of the day, murder is wrong and you should be punished, regardless of who it's towards. Life in prison for mine.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I know, crazy hey?

But then, I've learnt that this forum, like the bulk of (western) society, is a black hole for ideas that are contrary to the lived experience of the inhabitants.

So rather than waste my time and yours, it is far easier to place the onus of education onto you, rather than endeavour to wade through the absorbed ignorance that underpins your conception of this reality.

And if you REALLY REALLY want to start removing that ignorance, then you can begin by realising that many of the things you happily accept in this society that you live in are false and illusory.

Things are not binary, ie not black and white, good and bad, happy and sad, true or false.
Things are not even grey.
Things simply are.

Start by seeing things as they are, not as you think they are, or as you wish them to be or how you are told they are.

To do that effectively, to have ANY hope of removing your perceptual ignorance, you have to start first with yourself. Start seeing yourself as you really are....not as how you WANT to be perceived, or how you THINK you are perceived or how others SAY you are.

As you actually are.

It takes years to do that - it is difficult, it is confronting, it is painful.And it requires constant attention.

Chances are though, it's far easier for you to simply ignore and belittle and dismiss my words and continue living with your comforting ignorance.

Not sure I'm ignoring, belittling or dismissing your words. You are the one dismissing other people's views, without even sharing your own? All i asked you is what you think is a better system than capitalism?

You are doing the above to me, and you continue to call me ignorant but when all I did was I ask what you think is better than capitalism, and you seemingly either don't know, or don't want to talk about it.

Calling others ignorant, dismissing their views and then not contributing to a discussion is highly odd. But I guess you do you?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

29 out of 30 OECD countries have universal healthcare.

The US system, which costs around 240% of the OECD average, doesn't. It's a failed system.

The alleged shooter has chronic back pain. He shot a CEO who implemented an AI system that denies 90% of claims, including a small outlay for anti-nausea medication for a child undergoing chemotherapy.
Medical bills are the no 1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.

It's no wonder there has been an outpouring of support for the shooter.

yes all very true.

Their system is indeed broken.

I suspect we will see more of these types of murders. Other industries also.

 

[SeaOfFire]

Not sure I'm ignoring, belittling or dismissing your words. You are the one dismissing other people's views, without even sharing your own? All io asked you is what you think is a better system than capitalism.

You are doing the above to me, and you continue to call me ignorant but when all i did was I ask what you think is better than capitalism, and you seemingly either don't know, or don't want to talk about it.

Calling others ignorant, then not contributing to a discussion is highly odd. But i guess you do you?

No - not derailing a thread to veer into philosophical discourse on the various aspects of different political systems isn't odd, at all.

If you wish to discuss the issue, I'm happy to do so - but this is not the thread for it.

I have already made my position on the political impetus behind this incident clear - I do not need to further justify or clarify it beyond that,.

 

[SeaOfFire]

I will say that this sort of shit makes me glad to live in Australia, we would NEVER have this sort of thing happen, we're still talking about the Lindt Cafe Incident from 10 years ago.

But regardless of how you feel about the message, maybe he was doing it for the right reasons, at the end of the day, murder is wrong and you should be punished, regardless of who it's towards. Life in prison for mine.

And when I read contributions like this, it crystalises how far away from mainstream thinking my position is, to the point of abstinence from further discussion.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

No - not derailing a thread to veer into philosophical discourse on the various aspects of different political systems isn't odd, at all.

If you wish to discuss the issue, I'm happy to do so - but this is not the thread for it.

I have already made my position on the political impetus behind this incident clear - I do not need to further justify or clarify it beyond that,.

You are the one that brought it up in the thread rofl..........you are the one that said capitalism was the root of all issues......now you don't want to talk about it when questioned on it?

this is an utterly bizarre exchange....

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I will say that this sort of shit makes me glad to live in Australia, we would NEVER have this sort of thing happen, we're still talking about the Lindt Cafe Incident from 10 years ago.

But regardless of how you feel about the message, maybe he was doing it for the right reasons, at the end of the day, murder is wrong and you should be punished, regardless of who it's towards. Life in prison for mine.

Very much agree with you but we have these types of killings all the time in Australia, but it's generally gangland hits.

But hard agree, living in a country where healthcare is not universally accessible would be a shit way to live, unless you were well off.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Sounds like the suspect may have some mental health issues and a grievance against corporate healthcare types.

You can’t cold bloodedly murder someone on the street and take away their Dad. I can empathise with someone effected by a broken health care system but not to the extent of condoning murder.

It's an interesting situation and one that has elicited many views.

No doubt many of these are simply from anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, militantly communist or perhaps anarchist types who just want to see the system burn and are just happy that a typical capitalist player has been killed.

Generally, that's just bullshitters pulling themselves in front of their screens and is ridiculous - of course it shouldn't be condoned. It's just idiots using the situation to fantasise about their ideals.

Having said that, there's another aspect to this.

Thompson wasn't building houses, or fixing cars, or making burgers.

He was working in healthcare. And what that really means, of course, is he was working in illness, pain, injury and death. You don't deal with healthy people in healthcare.

This is an industry that is full of human misery. It's just the way it is. They deal with bad things in life. It needs to be done, and they do it.

An extension of that is you're going to be dealing - indirectly - with incredibly emotional people. People who are watching their loved ones in extreme pain and dying.

That is going to do some very bad things to people and their mindset. It's a very dangerous industry.

There are people who are in it to serve, doing so for very little return.

Others are in it for profit. If you sit atop a large profit-seeking empire in this space, then the empire is going to get things wrong sometimes. And that will have life or death consequences for the patients and an impact from their loved ones.

The response can't be condoned, but it feels almost inevitable that in that area, you're going to have responses like this one. And it's almost impossible to judge these responses unless you've been in their shoes and lived through it. Who knows what it does to people.

I don't know anything about Brian Thompson but if he and his colleagues see themselves as just business execs, like the people at the helm of McDonalds or Walmart, then they're very wrong. They're in a very dangerous industry.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It's an interesting situation and one that has elicited many views.

No doubt many of these are simply from anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, militantly communist or perhaps anarchist types who just want to see the system burn and are just happy that a typical capitalist player has been killed.

Generally, that's just bullshitters pulling themselves in front of their screens and is ridiculous - of course it shouldn't be condoned. It's just idiots using the situation to fantasise about their ideals.

Having said that, there's another aspect to this.

Thompson wasn't building houses, or fixing cars, or making burgers.

He was working in healthcare. And what that really means, of course, is he was working in illness, pain, injury and death. You don't deal with healthy people in healthcare.

This is an industry that is full of human misery. It's just the way it is. They deal with bad things in life. It needs to be done, and they do it.

An extension of that is you're going to be dealing - indirectly - with incredibly emotional people. People who are watching their loved ones in extreme pain and dying.

That is going to do some very bad things to people and their mindset. It's a very dangerous industry.

There are people who are in it to serve, doing so for very little return.

Others are in it for profit. If you sit atop a large profit-seeking empire in this space, then the empire is going to get things wrong sometimes. And that will have life or death consequences for the patients and an impact from their loved ones.

The response can't be condoned, but it feels almost inevitable that in that area, you're going to have responses like this one. And it's almost impossible to judge these responses unless you've been in their shoes and lived through it. Who knows what it does to people.

I don't know anything about Brian Thompson but if he and his colleagues see themselves as just business execs, like the people at the helm of McDonalds or Walmart, then they're very wrong. They're in a very dangerous industry.

very well said.

 

[spinynorman]

I will say that this sort of shit makes me glad to live in Australia, we would NEVER have this sort of thing happen, we're still talking about the Lindt Cafe Incident from 10 years ago.

But regardless of how you feel about the message, maybe he was doing it for the right reasons, at the end of the day, murder is wrong and you should be punished, regardless of who it's towards. Life in prison for mine.

I mean, surely there should be a trial to find out more before people begin suggesting what the sentence should be. He could be innocent yet! Let alone any extenuating circumstances.

I think we underestimate the anger in the US that exists towards their health system, hence the response being what it’s been (beyond any political identification).

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[Kurve]

Mangione has left a manifesto behind. I'm sure you'll be able to find it if you really want to read it but it can't go up in this thread, unless we source it from our mainstream, accredited news outlets.

Sorry folks, rules. If of course you can discuss his issue.

 

[Mofra]

I mean, surely there should be a trial to find out more before people begin suggesting what the sentence should be. He could be innocent yet! Let alone any extenuating circumstances.

The other issue is getting a jury to convict, due to those extenuating circumstances you mention.

 

[MadMundy]

Over on Reddit especially it's very uncomfortable reading how many people have the mindset of "Murder is okay as long as I don't like the person"

I don't know about you, but I've never gone out and murdered a CEO I've believed to be morally reprehensible.

 

[faible]

Lots of disenfranchised and desperate people over there. The inequality is astonishing for a supposed first world country.

Sadly, with the enormous amount their government spends on healthcare (50% more than Switzerland per capita) they should easily be able to have free healthcare.

 

[jason_recliner]

Lots of disenfranchised and desperate people over there. The inequality is astonishing for a supposed first world country.

Sadly, with the enormous amount their government spends on healthcare (50% more than Switzerland per capita) they should easily be able to have free healthcare.

The inequality here is also astonishing and tragic.

 

[errant bounce]

I will say that this sort of shit makes me glad to live in Australia, we would NEVER have this sort of thing happen, we're still talking about the Lindt Cafe Incident from 10 years ago.

But regardless of how you feel about the message, maybe he was doing it for the right reasons, at the end of the day, murder is wrong and you should be punished, regardless of who it's towards. Life in prison for mine.

You got this off friendlyjordies and we're not still talking about it, no one gave a shit a week after Lindt Cafe happened and even less people care now.

In fact anyone who knows anything about it sees it as the country's lack of tech and smarts in realising it was some nutter Muslim who should have been shot in the head before dinner time.

My most enduring memory is all the pissweak selfish campaigners who ran out and saved themselves even when there were people in more vulnerable conditions still sitting inside. really summed up those who live in Australia's major cities.

 

[errant bounce]

Also have a bit of a feeling that his sudden use of psilocybin mushrooms should be looked at, but obviously won't be.

That shit is absolutely terrible for a majority of people, particularly for young men who are feeling a bit lost or at a spiritual crossroads.

But there's a major faction online who believe this 'bro weed can't be bad for you, it's from the earth! alcohol makes people fight and shit!' rhetoric so it won't be looked at. but I've seen firsthand, and it happens quite a lot in these cases, where it causes some serious changes in cognition, outlook, and approach even if it's not full blown psychosis (which is also more common than people think).

 

[faible]

My most enduring memory is all the pissweak selfish campaigners who ran out and saved themselves even when there were people in more vulnerable conditions still sitting inside. really summed up those who live in Australia's major cities.

You'd be the superhero saving everyone right?

Get over yourself. In a situation like that, I would absolutely not begrudge anyone who had the opportunity to escape, doing so.

 

[MadMundy]

You got this off friendlyjordies and we're not still talking about it, no one gave a shit a week after Lindt Cafe happened and even less people care now.

In fact anyone who knows anything about it sees it as the country's lack of tech and smarts in realising it was some nutter Muslim who should have been shot in the head before dinner time.

My most enduring memory is all the pissweak selfish campaigners who ran out and saved themselves even when there were people in more vulnerable conditions still sitting inside. really summed up those who live in Australia's major cities.

Yeah I did hear that off of friendlyjordies, the point still stands, there are people still discussing it.

And mate, at the end of the day, as much as we all would like to think we'd be the hero of the day and stand up for others, if you have a chance to escape that situation, you're taking it.

 

[Cyber_punk]

His x profile has been reinstated:

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[Kurve]

His x profile has been reinstated:

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That was surprising, he has nearly 375k followers and only follows 71 people.

 

[Munich]

I cannot believe we have another case focused on eyebrows but here we are.

 

[jason_recliner]

Also have a bit of a feeling that his sudden use of psilocybin mushrooms should be looked at, but obviously won't be.

That shit is absolutely terrible for a majority of people, particularly for young men who are feeling a bit lost or at a spiritual crossroads.

But there's a major faction online who believe this 'bro weed can't be bad for you, it's from the earth! alcohol makes people fight and shit!' rhetoric so it won't be looked at. but I've seen firsthand, and it happens quite a lot in these cases, where it causes some serious changes in cognition, outlook, and approach even if it's not full blown psychosis (which is also more common than people think).

Yep.

 

[Kurve]

He's a bit angry.

 

[Kurve]

Over on Reddit especially it's very uncomfortable reading how many people have the mindset of "Murder is okay as long as I don't like the person"

I don't know about you, but I've never gone out and murdered a CEO I've believed to be morally reprehensible.

Great abs also appears to help.